(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[TheGreatA]

Sugar Ray Robinson's resume:

Joe Ghnouly (former top 10 contender)
Pete Lello (top 3 contender)
Sammy Angott (reigning lightweight champion, defeated a prime Willie Pep, hall of famer)
Maxie Shapiro (top 10 contender)
Marty Servo (42-0, future welterweight champion)
Fritzie Zivic (top 3 contender, former welterweight champion, hall of famer)
Norman Rubio (top 10 contender)
Tony Motisi (top 10 contender)
Jake LaMotta (top middleweight, middleweight champion, hall of famer)
Izzy Janazzo (top 10 welterweight contender)
California Jackie Wilson (top 3 welterweight)
Ralph Zannelli (top 5 welterweight)
Henry Armstrong (number 1 ranked challenger, former welterweight champion, hall of famer)
Tommy Bell (number 1 ranked challenger)
George Costner (number 2 ranked challenger)
Jose Basora (top 5 middleweight)
Jimmy McDaniels (top 5 welterweight)
Georgie Abrams (top 5 middleweight)
Jimmy Doyle (top 2 welterweight)
Bernard Docusen (top 3 welterweight)
Kid Gavilan (number 1 ranked welterweight challenger, future welterweight champion, hall of famer)
Steve Belloise (top 2 middleweight contender)
Aaron Wade (past prime middleweight contender)
Ray Barnes (top 10 middleweight)
Robert Villemain (top 3 middleweight)
Charley Fusari (top 10 welterweight)
Bobo Olson (middleweight champion, hall of famer)
Holley Mims (future contender)
Randy Turpin (middleweight champion, hall of famer)
Rocky Graziano (former middleweight champion, hall of famer)
Rocky Castellani (number 1 middleweight challenger)
Gene Fullmer (middleweight champion, hall of famer)
Carmen Basilio (welterweight and middleweight champion, hall of famer)
Denny Moyer (light middleweight champion)
Ralph Dupas (light middleweight champion)

[Slimey Limey]

Woah, you are talking to an Ali fan here who if you care to check previous posts has made some spirited defences of his resume.
What I am saying is that by including Wepner, Bugner etc you are weakening your case not strengthening it. Frazier, Foreman, Liston etc are great wins and do not need padding.
Ali is the best HW of all time SRR is the best p4p of all time IMO. Trying to convince me that beating Henry Cooper twice is a career defining win will not alter my view.

You might want to learn how to use the 'quote' button because I don't even remember you, so I think you just bursted back into this thread after I replied to you pages ago.
Wepner, Bugner and Cooper are better wins than Robinson's lesser impressive wins. THAT is what i'm getting at.
The fact that Ali's best wins as well as his worst wins are better than SRR's.

Four times the fights so 4 times the losses, and your point is?
15 of the 19 SRR losses occured in his 36th year.
Also if you draw the line under SRR's record at Ali's 61 fights you have one defeat so you could say Ali lost 5 times as many as SRR if you wish to slice and dice logic.
I'm a huge Ali fan as I am a SRR fan and a number of other fighters including Louis, Dempsey and Marciano. I believe there is enough room for all of them without the need to denegrate one fighter to bolster another fighters record.
Ali's career speaks for itself and is little served by you speaking for him.

Point is that Ali had a much much shorter career yet he still had a superior record compared to SRR.
15 of the 19 SRR in his 36th year? How about Ali NEVER lost in his prime, had his first loss against a prime undefeated legend after his long lay off, then later on lost against the biggest styles mismatch in his career against another great fighter. His other losses were when he was quite old/washed up and even started suffering from Parkinsons syndrome.
On the other hand SRR was losing against Lamotta and Turpin, great fighters, and was stopped by Maxim(don't give me the heat crap either. Ali vs Frazier were life and death fights and Ali was never stopped. Maxim was suffering under the same conditions as Robinson and he didn't quit).
Then after his lay off there was the Ralph Jones loss, and they started piling up from there on. Ali was more succesful after HIS lay off.

So, it doesn't seem like Robinson has anything on Ali, except for the amount of fights they had.

[QUOTE=poet682006;5342955]Oh? You mean like Marciano's biggest wins coming against Walcott, Charles, Louis, and Moore: Fighters all past it?[/COLOR]

Most of you know this, but you have this Joe Louis love imprinted in you. I have yet to see a Louis nuthugger admit a single flaw about the man.[/COLOR]

Most of you know Marciano was a slow, clusmsy, low-skilled fighter who ate punches and bled like Henry Cooper, but you have this Rocky love imprinted in you. I have yet to see a Marciano nuthugger admit a single flaw about the man.



Oh, you mean the way Marciano was dropped by Moore: A LIGHT-Heavyweight.



Hmmm. The fight was even on the cards at the time of the stoppage I believe. Please explain how that is "easy". Of course that also means a PRIME Marciano was made to look foolish by an old man.



Only when you're wanking off.



I do believe it was YOU who brought Ali and Louis into this thread. You might want to try reading back, provided you can overcome your chronic myopia.

PS. I see you now have Iron Man on your ass now too. You're track record speaks for itself: You've managed to get yourself slapped around by practically every good poster on this board. You, Sir, are the definition of an "internet troll"; ultimately,though,everyone you take on makes you their "internet *****". Now go play in traffice before you embarress your countrymen even more.

Poet

Same with you, learn how to make a proper post. I don't even understand what your intention is here, why are you posting off topic crap from another thread Poet?

And I was waiting for you to start bashing Marciano, and you finally cracked Oh oh the old Poet broke his promise yet again, that he would never bash a pro fighter because of another poster. You have zero respect for this great sport.

This thread has nothing to do with Marciano. You are reported for repeated off topic posts. Stick to the topic or buzz off mate.

[StarshipTrooper]

Same with you, learn how to make a proper post.

Learn how to use your quotes Junior.

I don't even understand what your intention is here

To rebutt every piece of verbal diarrhea that spews from your mouth maybe?

why are you posting off topic crap from another thread Poet?

Because you brought the subjects up in the first place.

And I was waiting for you to start bashing Marciano, and you finally cracked Oh oh the old Poet broke his promise yet again, that he would never bash a pro fighter because of another poster.

I never promise anything: Except a good slapping to low-intellect fan-bois like yourself.

You have zero respect for this great sport.

I have far more respect for the sport than you're ever likely to: You just tug on the nuts of a few fighters that get your willie hard.

This thread has nothing to do with Marciano.

This thread has nothing to do with Ali or Louis, yet, once again, YOU brought them up.

You are reported for repeated off topic posts.

Have a binky crybaby. What's the matter? Can't handle getting posted on your own petard? Don't whine about going off topic when YOU'RE the one doing it and others are mearly responding to you.

Stick to the topic or buzz off mate.

First off, I'm NOT your mate. Secondly, take your own advice: Don't bring Ali and Louis into a thread about Robinson then winge when someone responds to your moronic posts.

Poet

[GJC]

Wepner, Bugner and Cooper are better wins than Robinson's lesser impressive wins. THAT is what i'm getting at.
The fact that Ali's best wins as well as his worst wins are better than SRR's.

Every fighter has pups on their record. I assume you are trying to say that Ali's worst wins are better than SRR's worst wins rather than SRR's best win?

Point is that Ali had a much much shorter career yet he still had a superior record compared to SRR.

Well this is your opinion. Again you are ranting at an Ali fan here, just I rate SRR the better p4p fighter as indeed did Ali.

On the other hand SRR was losing against Lamotta and Turpin, great fighters, and was stopped by Maxim(don't give me the heat crap either. Ali vs Frazier were life and death fights and Ali was never stopped. Maxim was suffering under the same conditions as Robinson and he didn't quit).

LaMotta was the only fighter that beat him at his peak, one win out of 6 fights. Who is to say that had Ali had fought Frazier, Foreman, Norton etc 6 times he wouldn't have picked up a couple more losses.
True Maxim was the only one who didn't quit, the referee did too, so the heat crap obviously effected him as well

So, it doesn't seem like Robinson has anything on Ali, except for the amount of fights they had.

Ali was a wonderful fighter no doubt of that, as was SRR. It would need someone far more knowledgable than yourself and who can construct better arguments to convince me that SRR's record is as shabby as you consider it to be.

[GJC]

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Most of you know Marciano was a slow, clusmsy, low-skilled fighter who ate punches and bled like Henry Cooper, but you have this Rocky love imprinted in you. I have yet to see a Marciano nuthugger admit a single flaw about the man.

Poet[/COLOR]

And you leave the Rock alone else I'm coming for you

[StarshipTrooper]

And you leave the Rock alone else I'm coming for you

Sorry, but the dude can't handle what he TRIES to dish out. Nothing against your countrymen but if Wellington's best were as unhinged and slow-witted as THIS boob you'd all be speaking French.

Poet

[GJC]

Sorry, but the dude can't handle what he TRIES to dish out. Nothing against your countrymen but if Wellington's best were as unhinged and slow-witted as THIS boob you'd all be speaking French.

Poet

Hey 1st the Rock now my country!
Hey your lot got a fair few window lickers in these forums and Dubya!

[StarshipTrooper]

Hey 1st the Rock now my country!
Hey your lot got a fair few window lickers in these forums and Dubya!

Naw, I rather think Putrid Pommie is an embarrassment to all good Britons everywhere. I'm sure Monty could have found SOME use for him: Maybe to inadvertantly discover a mine field somewhere, first and LAST job he'd have for the British 8th. Army.

Poet

[them_apples]

lol @ Rocky love

The guy hit harder then..oh that's right..Ricky Hatton, but by only 100 lbs of force.

Hatton = 900 lbs

Rocky = 1000 lbs

Myth of Rocky's punching power now has dissolved..

for the record of those saying he had a heavyweight frame, the Man's chest was smaller than Juan Manuel Marquez's.

just some random pointless facts I thought I would throw in there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6228040.stm

[GJC]

Naw, I rather think Putrid Pommie is an embarrassment to all good Britons everywhere. I'm sure Monty could have found SOME use for him: Maybe to inadvertantly discover a mine field somewhere, first and LAST job he'd have for the British 8th. Army.

Poet

To completely change the subject, Louis v Marciano?
Forgetting the actual fight which counts for little, ten fights how many does Marciano win?
I rate Louis as the better fighter but do fancy in that cut ignoring era with his chin and Suzi Q against Louis dropping his left that Marciano would nick 3 of them. Fair?