(Poll) SRR the greatest of all time? According to Ali - Yes!

[glidesmack]

way overrated.

[TheGreatA]

way overrated.

Directing you to a more suitable place for this type of discussion:

here

I'm afraid that simply stating a certain fighter is "overrated" won't do in this section.

[glidesmack]

alright, *******. His era was weak, period. he wouldn't have survived in the 20's, pfp dempsey 1919 kills him.

[TheGreatA]

way overrated.

alright, *******. His era was weak, period. he wouldn't have survived in the 20's, pfp dempsey 1919 kills him.

Because Dempsey fought such great opposition?

[them_apples]

alright, *******. His era was weak, period. he wouldn't have survived in the 20's, pfp dempsey 1919 kills him.

p4p Dempsey has nothing on SRR. Complete different skill level.

[Southpaw16BF]

alright, *******. His era was weak, period. he wouldn't have survived in the 20's, pfp dempsey 1919 kills him.

His Era was weak?
Wins over
Sammy Angottx3
Fritzie Zivicx2
Jake LaMottax5
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilanx2
Rocky Graziano
Randy Turpin
Bobo Olsonx2
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio

There's 10 Hall Of Famers Robinson defeated, as well as beating good fighters and contenders in Denny Moyer, Ralph Zannelli, Maxie Berger, Marty Servo, Maxie Shapiro, Pete Lello, Tommy Bell, Joe Curcio, Georgie Abrams and more.

Robinson's resume of wins could be the best ever. And to say his era was a weak one is bogus. He was involved in one of the stronges era's ever, as I've just proved, he virtually avoided no one.

Robinson would of excelled in any era, Dempsey is no wear near as good as a fighter as Ray, his resume dosen't match up to Robinsons, nor does his legacy. Demspey could of fought many more fighters in his era, but chose not to, mainly Willis and Greb.

In his own right Dempsey is a outstanding fighter, but he isn't on the level of Ray Robinson.

[glidesmack]

total bs. All those guys had hall of fame careers...in a weak ****ing era. People ask why dempsey had no great rivarlies? At his peak he was ten times the fighter the second best guy was...in the toughest era of all time.

[TheGreatA]

total bs. All those guys had hall of fame careers...in a weak ****ing era. People ask why dempsey had no great rivarlies? At his peak he was ten times the fighter the second best guy was...in the toughest era of all time.

Dempsey never fought the second best in the division which was Harry Wills who for the most part beat the men that Dempsey beat and also many more (Sam Langford, Sam McVea, Joe Jeannette, Kid Norfolk, Jeff Clark, etc.).

And the heavyweight division of the 1920's was far from being the toughest era of all time.

There's a reason why Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion of the world and there's a reason why middleweights such as Harry Greb could beat most of the heavyweights of the day and it's not because the era was strong, it's actually because the era was rather weak.

Top 10 rankings of 1924:

1. Jack Dempsey, Champion
2. Harry Wills
3. Tommy Gibbons
4. Charley Weinert
5. Quintin Romero Rojas
6. Jack Renault
7. Luis Angel Firpo
8. George Godfrey
9. Jim Maloney
10. Erminio Spalla

Aside from Jack Dempsey, the champion who was on a 3 year vacation from boxing, the aging Harry Wills, who was never given a deserved shot, as well as 33 year old light heavyweight Tommy Gibbons, there are no notable names in there except maybe George Godfrey, who would later go onto become a solid contender and Luis Firpo whose best days were behind him.

How many of these men did Jack Dempsey the champion fight? Only two, Tommy Gibbons and Luis Firpo.

[them_apples]

Dempsey never fought the second best in the division which was Harry Wills who for the most part beat the men that Dempsey beat and also many more (Sam Langford, Sam McVea, Joe Jeannette, Kid Norfolk, Jeff Clark, etc.).

And the heavyweight division of the 1920's was far from being the toughest era of all time.

There's a reason why Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion of the world and there's a reason why middleweights such as Harry Greb could beat most of the heavyweights of the day and it's not because the era was strong, it's actually because the era was rather weak.

Top 10 rankings of 1924:

1. Jack Dempsey, Champion
2. Harry Wills
3. Tommy Gibbons
4. Charley Weinert
5. Quintin Romero Rojas
6. Jack Renault
7. Luis Angel Firpo
8. George Godfrey
9. Jim Maloney
10. Erminio Spalla

Aside from Jack Dempsey, the champion who was on a 3 year vacation from boxing, the aging Harry Wills, who was never given a deserved shot, as well as 33 year old light heavyweight Tommy Gibbons, there are no notable names in there except maybe George Godfrey, who would later go onto become a solid contender and Luis Firpo whose best days were behind him.

How many of these men did Jack Dempsey the champion fight? Only two, Tommy Gibbons and Luis Firpo.

I give Dempsey a lot of heat, he was exciting but he fought in a really bad era. He lost to guys with 30+ losses and like you said, Willard was the top dog, aka Valuev version 1.

He always makes ATG lists and I don't know why any right minded "historian" could put him there.

[Southpaw16BF]

I give Dempsey a lot of heat, he was exciting but he fought in a really bad era. He lost to guys with 30+ losses and like you said, Willard was the top dog, aka Valuev version 1.

He always makes ATG lists and I don't know why any right minded "historian" could put him there.

Hmmmm.......Demspey is a ATG, and was one of the most exciting fighters and biggest draws ever. But there is no hiding the fact that some boxing people seem overrate rate him to a extent, mainly Bert Sugar who ranks him as the 9th best fighter of all time, which is in my view far to high.