Tyson vs Holyfield - who of them is better fighter?

[StarshipTrooper]

holyfield -= more diciplined fighter

tyson = raw power nd talent

i dont see anybody beating prime tyson PERIOD.

Must be because you're too busy sucking off Tyson to notice.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

u say that cuz he been knocked out...

i dont believe tysone ever maxed out his potential.

he self destructed with the ppl he chose to surround himself with and the decisions he made.

First off, type in English not Ebonics. Second, you'd have to know nothing about boxing to think Tyson was the most talented Heavyweight to step in the ring. Never maxed out his potential? NO fighter ever maxed out his potential. Get a clue, human beings always die never fulfilling their potential. Tyson was a human being, not a god. If you'd stop sipping the KoolAid long enough you might notice.....

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Tysons the type of guy who ether anhilates his opponents or gets taken to school himself.

for instance I see Foreman pushing him around and ending the fight with repeated upper cuts, where as I see Tyson Koing a guy like Frazier early. All depends on who he's up against.

Really depends on whether Frazier can survive the early blitz. Something to think about though: Foreman had a significant reach advantage over Frazier that helped cause that massacre. Frazier actually has a longer reach than Tyson.

Poet

[them_apples]

Really depends on whether Frazier can survive the early blitz. Something to think about though: Foreman had a significant reach advantage over Frazier that helped cause that massacre. Frazier actually has a longer reach than Tyson.

Poet

I don't think it was so much Foreman's reach advantage, Frazier's entire career was based around getting inside someones reach. I think it was Foreman's world class uppercut and refusal to back up, even when hit flush.

Frazier to me didn't seem to have any problems with connecting to Georges jaw, only problem is, Foreman didn't have any problem with that ether.

For me personally, he 8 times out of 10 would not handle the early blitz. Out of the 5 rounds that Tyson is effective, I can't see Frazier not getting hurt at least once, once he gets hurt I see him getting finished(one of the things Tyson was actually quite good at).

Of course if it did go into the later rounds, It's Fraziers ball game. In my opinion though, it wouldn't.

sry for the off topic though

[slicksouthpaw16]

Evander was the better fighter as far as consistency, stamina and chin and he had more ways of winning( Tyson wasn't out boxing anyone). But as far as stand out talent like hand speed, power and combination's, Mike was better there. Since i favor Holyfield to beat Tyson every time and Evaner's more dimensions, i have to say hes the all around better fighter.

[res]

i dont see anybody beating prime tyson PERIOD.

You need better glasses.

[Burning Desire]

Evander Holyfield

Dwight Muhammad Qawi x2
Carlos De Leon
Ossie Ocasio
Henry Tillman
James Tillis
Pinklon Thomas
Alex Stewart x2
Buster Douglas
George Foreman
Bert Cooper
Larry Holmes
Rid**** Bowe = But lost 2 out of 3
Michael Moorer = 1-1
Ray Mercer
Mike Tyson x2
Hasim Rahman
Michael Dokes

World Titles at Cruiserweight, Heavyweight. 5 defense's at Cruiserweight, 7 at Heavyweight combined.

Mike Tyson

Mitch Green
James Tillis
Jesse Ferguson
Trevor Berbick
James Smith
Tony Tucker
Frank Bruno x2
Tyrell Biggs
Pinklon Thomas
Larry Holmes
Tony Tubbs
Michael Spinks
Carl Williams
Razor Ruddock x2
Henry Tillman
Bruce Seldon
Clifford Eitenne

World titles defense's at Heavyweight 10 combined.

[StarshipTrooper]

sry for the off topic though

Nothing to be sorry for: It's a valid comparison

I don't think it was so much Foreman's reach advantage, Frazier's entire career was based around getting inside someones reach. I think it was Foreman's world class uppercut and refusal to back up, even when hit flush.

Frazier to me didn't seem to have any problems with connecting to Georges jaw, only problem is, Foreman didn't have any problem with that ether.

For me personally, he 8 times out of 10 would not handle the early blitz. Out of the 5 rounds that Tyson is effective, I can't see Frazier not getting hurt at least once, once he gets hurt I see him getting finished(one of the things Tyson was actually quite good at).

Of course if it did go into the later rounds, It's Fraziers ball game. In my opinion though, it wouldn't.

I go back and forth on this one. Half the time I'm thinking Frazier can't survive Tyson's fast start, the other half I'm thinking he can so maybe in my own mind I got it 50/50 LOL. The reach factor was significant because, while Frazier may not have had problems finding Foreman's chin he wasn't able to find it often enough to back Foreman off. Frazier had to take a lot of punishment just to land one of his own shots: Against the kind of damage Foreman could dish out that was an ugly equation. As it was, Foreman could just T off without fear of getting a lot back in return courtesy of his reach. You may be right though and it might not have mattered.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Evander was the better fighter as far as consistency, stamina and chin and he had more ways of winning( Tyson wasn't out boxing anyone). But as far as stand out talent like hand speed, power and combination's, Mike was better there. Since i favor Holyfield to beat Tyson every time and Evaner's more dimensions, i have to say hes the all around better fighter.

Old football saying: Run for dough, pass for show. As it applies here, Tyson may have done things well that are eye-catching but may not have been the most important things to winning. As I always say: Fighters that generate a lot of offense are ALWAYS overrated by fans, simply because it's what they like to see. They invariably consfuse entertainment with greatness. Fans will typically rate a great punching power higher than a great chin, yet ask any boxing expert which is more important and they'll tell you it's better to have a great chin than a great punch.

Poet

[Lacrimosa]

Evander became an Undisputed champion at cruiserweight, when that category was lower (86kg~190lbs i guess), moved up to face much bigger guys, became an undisputed heavyweight champion, became a four-time heavyweight champion (yes with the help of WBA, arguably, but without it`s help he, probably, had won a title at the age of 46...)...

He faced bigger guys, was down so rarely you can hardly remember those times, beat Tyson twice, gave Lewis a hell of a fight in their second meeting, went through wars with Rid**** Bowe and George Foreman and so on, and so on, and so on...

Evander is better fighter, and his resume is better.