Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano

[metalinmybrain]

Well I said I'm not going to talk Tyson/Marciano anymore and I'm not. I just need to ask one question...did you even see the Tyson/Tucker fight?

Seriously, in the earlier rounds Tyson was initiating the clinch just as much as Tucker. There was one part in round one where Tyson got caught with a huge uppercut that kind buckled him followed by a right hand straight over the top.

Afer that just about anytime Mike came inside Tucker threw that right hand over the top. Because of this Mike initiated the clinch just as much. For whatever reason after round 4-5, I forget which, Tucker stopped using the right hand like he had been (it is alleged he broke it) and clinched to survive.

He lost the fight, but Tucker had alot of early success against Tyson. If I wanted to beat Tyson that is the strategy I would use but I would also add a stiff jab to the mix.

Bull, I watch the fight over and over, its one of my favorites, it shows Tyson at his worst but still winning every round. You forget pal that Tucker wasn't vulnerable, he was unbeaten and with a bigger record than Tyson at the time. Tucker had a chance to become someone like Tyson did, he didn't know what it was like to lose and always had the mental physique to win....up until he lost to Tyson. Tucker had a title was undefeated never knocked down in his 35 fights, tell me how much of a chance Tucker had in that fight, that Tucker would have put Marciano on his ass, your delusional to the point pal! No way in hell was Tucker landing an over hand right let alone an under hand right. He was getting pummeled the whole time, he was clinching more than he was throwing. For one of the worst performances of Mike's young career this had to have been one of the hugest statements to his credibility at that age. He was easily rocked by Tucker on a few occasions but did that stop Mike? No, it didn't. He shook it off and kept doing what he was suppose to......attack.. attack..attack!!! If it hadn't been for Tucker's constant clinching I don't think he would have lasted. Remember when Tyson caught him with that vicious left hook in the 12th round, then immediately grabbed Tyson for dear life and nodded his head? Yeah usually indicating that it hurt like hell!!! Oh yeah for the statement you made with Tucker breaking his right hand and not using it? That is just a testament of how strong Tyson's chin was and the size of his neck being the factor. Tucker broke it because he put so much power into it and got nothing in return. After that fight Tucker himself said, I couldn't take him out and I gave him everything I had, It was like I was fighting a bull in there.

Also, Tyson was out jabbing Tucker in that fight. Damn your delusional pal!

[Hawkins]

Bull, I watch the fight over and over, its one of my favorites, it shows Tyson at his worst but still winning every round. You forget pal that Tucker wasn't vulnerable, he was unbeaten and with a bigger record than Tyson at the time. Tucker had a chance to become someone like Tyson did, he didn't know what it was like to lose and always had the mental physique to win....up until he lost to Tyson. Tucker had a title was undefeated never knocked down in his 35 fights, tell me how much of a chance Tucker had in that fight, that Tucker would have put Marciano on his ass, your delusional to the point pal! No way in hell was Tucker landing an over hand right let alone an under hand right. He was getting pummeled the whole time, he was clinching more than he was throwing. For one of the worst performances of Mike's young career this had to have been one of the hugest statements to his credibility at that age. He was easily rocked by Tucker on a few occasions but did that stop Mike? No, it didn't. He shook it off and kept doing what he was suppose to......attack.. attack..attack!!! If it hadn't been for Tucker's constant clinching I don't think he would have lasted. Remember when Tyson caught him with that vicious left hook in the 12th round, then immediately grabbed Tyson for dear life and nodded his head? Yeah usually indicating that it hurt like hell!!! Oh yeah for the statement you made with Tucker breaking his right hand and not using it? That is just a testament of how strong Tyson's chin was and the size of his neck being the factor. Tucker broke it because he put so much power into it and got nothing in return. After that fight Tucker himself said, I couldn't take him out and I gave him everything I had, It was like I was fighting a bull in there.

Also, Tyson was out jabbing Tucker in that fight. Damn your delusional pal!

What the hell? You'e the delusional one. You write some of the most asinine things I have ever read on any boxing site. I mean not only do you an unhealthy obsessive fixation on Tyson you must have such a dyslexic view of boxing that you say things no one else does. From the Floyd Patterson accusations and to the 'Ezzard Charles was just a decent light heavy' it makes you out to unknoweldgable.

Case in point----

Oh yeah for the statement you made with Tucker breaking his right hand and not using it? That is just a testament of how strong Tyson's chin was and the size of his neck being the factor. Tucker broke it because he put so much power into it and got nothing in return

I mean who says things like that? Because Tyson can take a punch and has thick neck muscles? Your blind man love for Tyson is beginning to wear a little thin.

Besides did you see anywhere that I said Tucker even remotely won the fight or was going to? Read it again because I sure don't recall that. I made an observation - that is all.

I made that statement because if I had to face Mike Tyson it would be a strategy I would use based on what I saw.

[metalinmybrain]

What the hell? You'e the delusional one. You write some of the most asinine things I have ever read on any boxing site. I mean not only do you an unhealthy obsessive fixation on Tyson you must have such a dyslexic view of boxing that you say things no one else does. From the Floyd Patterson accusations and to the 'Ezzard Charles was just a decent light heavy' it makes you out to unknoweldgable.

Case in point----

I mean who says things like that? Because Tyson can take a punch and has thick neck muscles? Your blind man love for Tyson is beginning to wear a little thin.

Besides did you see anywhere that I said Tucker even remotely won the fight or was going to? Read it again because I sure don't recall that. I made an observation - that is all.

I made that statement because if I had to face Mike Tyson it would be a strategy I would use based on what I saw.

Just like my strategy on Marciano would be to apply pressure back with elusiveness and combinations. His defense is too open to miss!

I'm beginning to think that you have some fascination with the fact that I am a Tyson fan, turning it into something you only wish was of existence. Pure gayness kid, maybe you should jump off the **** of old dead Marciano and look at what is going on now a days buddy!

[Hawkins]

Just like my strategy on Marciano would be to apply pressure back with elusiveness and combinations. His defense is too open to miss!

I'm beginning to think that you have some fascination with the fact that I am a Tyson fan, turning it into something you only wish was of existence. Pure gayness kid, maybe you should jump off the **** of old dead Marciano and look at what is going on now a days buddy!

Anyone that has read your posts can see your blind allegiance. Besides, I'm a Tyson fan but I can see the factual from the delusional. Nowhere on this site will you see me make the same kind of over-the-top uninformed statements about any fighter like the kind you attribute to Tyson.

It's amazing the lengths you go to discredit other fighters in an effort to make Tyson out to be more than he was.

[Wiley Hyena]

Anyone that has read your posts can see your blind allegiance. Besides, I'm a Tyson fan but I can see the factual from the delusional. Nowhere on this site will you see me make the same kind of over-the-top uninformed statements about any fighter like the kind you attribute to Tyson.

It's amazing the lengths you go to discredit other fighters in an effort to make Tyson out to be more than he was.

It seems to be a common theme with the Tysonettes.

We'll never know who would have won that fight, but we do know that Marciano was an historical true great. Sadly, Tyson's career is marred with disgrace. For this reason, he will never be in the same class as Marciano.

[them_apples]

Anyone that has read your posts can see your blind allegiance. Besides, I'm a Tyson fan but I can see the factual from the delusional. Nowhere on this site will you see me make the same kind of over-the-top uninformed statements about any fighter like the kind you attribute to Tyson.

It's amazing the lengths you go to discredit other fighters in an effort to make Tyson out to be more than he was.

Yea but in all honesty, what he said was true, the only thing Marciano has going for him is his fame. His defense was garbage and would crumble to any self respecting boxer from the 70's and on.

[Hawkins]

Yea but in all honesty, what he said was true, the only thing Marciano has going for him is his fame. His defense was garbage and would crumble to any self respecting boxer from the 70's and on.

That may well be so, but we'll never know. All we have is our own imaginations. However, Marciano had the one intangible that you can never measure and thats heart. Hearts will keep you neck deep in a fight when all else looks bleak.

As for metal, he can make a good point but its usually buried under so much other nonsense its hard to see.

edit: damn, I feel like ray leonard. I keep saying I'm not going to respond to Marciano/Tyson anymore but here I am.

[hemichromis]

Yea but in all honesty, what he said was true, the only thing Marciano has going for him is his fame. His defense was garbage and would crumble to any self respecting boxer from the 70's and on.

while sparring with a 40 year old marciano cassius ckay (ALI) remarked that he was very difficult to hit.

[hemichromis]

That may well be so, but we'll never know. All we have is our own imaginations. However, Marciano had the one intangible that you can never measure and thats heart. Hearts will keep you neck deep in a fight when all else looks bleak.

As for metal, he can make a good point but its usually buried under so much other nonsense its hard to see.edit: damn, I feel like ray leonard. I keep saying I'm not going to respond to Marciano/Tyson anymore but here I am.

he talks so much he has to get it right on the odd occasion

[Hawkins]

I watched some Tyson fights today and something hit me. As bad as I hate to say it, I think alot of you are right when you say Mike could put Rock down in the early rounds.

Three reasons for this.

Tyson is in the mold of Jack Dempsey. Start fast and furious and totall destroy whomever is standing across the ring from you. He comes at you with lightning fast combinations that are packed with TNT.

Marciano is a legendary slow starter. He usually doesn't get cookin' until about round 7-8.

Marciano, as much as I love him, is also very sloppy in the ring. A bar brawler in every sense. He throws alot of haymakers and is off-balance alot. Be off balance and vulnerable would be lethal in this matchup.

So yes, I can see your standpoint gentleman.