Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

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  • The Iron Man
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    #101
    Yeh he opend the Boxing world for me aswell, but i cant put him at number 1 as the list isnt decided on that. My all time favourite is Tyson but my ATG is Jo Louis. With tyson at 3 or 4

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      #102
      Originally posted by The Iron Man
      Yeh he opend the Boxing world for me aswell, but i cant put him at number 1 as the list isnt decided on that. My all time favourite is Tyson but my ATG is Jo Louis. With tyson at 3 or 4

      It's an opinion question. Ive heard good arguments for Holmes,Johnson,Ali,Marcaino,Louis as well as Tyson for being #1. But at the end of the day, it's still an opinion.


      Just keep in mind though I wouldnt know who Joe Louis is if it wasnt for Tyson. And I love watching Joe Louis fights.

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        #103
        Originally posted by Mike Tyson77
        It's an opinion question. Ive heard good arguments for Holmes,Johnson,Ali,Marcaino,Louis as well as Tyson for being #1. But at the end of the day, it's still an opinion.


        Just keep in mind though I wouldnt know who Joe Louis is if it wasnt for Tyson. And I love watching Joe Louis fights.
        Well, I can honestly say it wasn't any one fighter who got me into boxing. It was boxing that got me into particular fighters. When I was young in the mid 70's I fell in love with boxing itself rather than fighters. And I'm still that way. I have my favorite fighters of course but in the end I love boxing more than I love the fighters in question. To me, no fighter is bigger than the sport and if none of my favorites ever existed I would still be watching boxing.

        Poet

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        • The Iron Man
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          #104
          Of course its an Opinion, and im saying why In My opinion Tyson is not on the top of my list, how ever much i wish he was!

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            #105
            Maybe had things been different he could have been greatest of all time, but they weren't, Tyson for me comes in at no10. For all his ability in the ring though he lacked mental attributes, he never had the confidence if anyone stood up to him and although he never quit in the ring, he quit in his head and never dug as deep as he should of, and never had the attitude of Holyfield in as I'm gonna win at any cost. He also slowed down after 6-7 rounds even in his prime, and resorted to throwing single shots. Having said that, he is one of my favourite fighters and he re-ignited the heavyweight division and made boxing great again. But you could say that a prime Lennox Lewis could have been the best ever. No one ever saw a real prime Lennox Lewis, by the time steward got hold of him and eventually shaped him into one of the greatest boxers the heavyweights had ever seen, he was into his 30's and past his physical peak, and when he was at his physical peak when he destroyed Ruddock and Bowe **** himself and threw away the belt, he was a very amatuerish boxer compared to the late Lennox Lewis. Has Steward trained him from the very beginning its quite possible he would have retired undefeated, but we will never know.

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            • The Iron Man
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              #106
              I doubt retired undefeated, he had a suspect chin and so was always in danger of being KOed. Tyson had more of a chance of going undefeated than lewis did if he kept, Rooney and cayton, also is Cus and Jimmy Jacobs didnt die

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              • WelshDevilRob
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                #107
                Tyson had most of the tools to be the Greatest but he lacked a few such as adaptability and a boxing brain. He could only fight one way and when that didn't work he ran out of ideas and often got frustrated.

                He's in my Top 10 but he would never have been the Greatest of alltime and as his career proved he isn't. Still he was an exciting fighter to watch. George Foreman would have murdered him though.

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                  #108
                  Did Liston adapt?lost to Aliteice did frazier adapt? battered by foreman did foreman adapt? beaten by Ali. Yet i bet they are on ur list of all time greats and above tyson

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                    #109
                    Iron Man - Lewis never had a suspect chin, he just got too ****y and lazy. I suggest you checkout youtube and look for Lewis had a great chin and see how many punches he took full on from anyone worth mentioning and then come back and tell me the same thing. Anyone can be kod especially at hw, at least Lewis ko defeats were to big hitters, Tyson got sparked by Douglas who couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag. Douglas never not once knocked out any top fighters, except for Iron Mike, but does anyone say he had a suspect chin, no. Ali got dropped by Cooper, and although he was a big puncher, he never weighed nearly as much as McCall and Rahman and I doubt hit as hard as either of them, yet Ali's jaw was never questioned. Just because he was british and you like to call our hw horizontal he had a suspect chin, I don't agree. In the McCall fight he was up at 6 and the ref stopped it, the only time a hw champ hasn't been allowed to continue after getting up, just because America wanted the title back. And the Rahman fight well Lewis got lazy and didn't see it coming, and it was one hell of a punch, capable of flooring Ali and Tyson and just about any other hw

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by The Iron Man
                      Did Liston adapt?lost to Aliteice did frazier adapt? battered by foreman did foreman adapt? beaten by Ali. Yet i bet they are on ur list of all time greats and above tyson
                      Tyson wasn't adapting against people like Bonecrusher Smith, James Tillis, Mitch Green, Tony Tucker etc.

                      I liked watching Tyson fights but he was not as good as Ali, Frazier and Foreman etc.... Tyson never fought anyone in their league unless you consider Tony Tubbs to be Great?

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