Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[Franko]

look we could agru all bloody day the fact is he didnt have the most important factor in boxing intelligence so he would not of beat quite a few fighters he was just relaying on speeed and power.
I love tyson great fighter defo one of my favs but he lacked in the one thing that counted being smart so he lost everything he only now realises what he threw away and he just wants to be left alone now its sad that even after all that hes stil depressed he had everything i mean kids starv in africa and they can stil put on a smile just for being alive.
Tyson hasnt sorted anything out and i dont think he never will he is without a doubt the most tragic and wasted talent ever in boxing i think hes next to kirklang but tyson is more lucky then kirklang.

Tyson was a very intelligent fighter at the peak of his powers!!! That is only overlooked by some who don't really know his history... The overall movement, and how he picked his shots required intelligence... There is a thought process behind picking those shots. Of course, i am referring to intelligence as a fighter and not in his private and social life, but admittedly he was over reliant on his power in the latter part of his career when his talent had eroded.

[Verstyle]

And Frank Bruno wobbled him like three times.

Poet

I remember only his being hurt in the first,explain the other ones and in what round.

[Franko]

And Frank Bruno wobbled him like three times.

Poet

True, Bruno did wobble him, certainly in the first fight, but that IMO was when Mike was beginning the downward spiral so to speak.

[-CANE-]

A lot of boxing historians are on cloud 9, they think Jack Johnson is better than holyfield, so they shouldn't really talk. I would respect a boxing historian under the age of 30, but over that its all dream world.

So what your'e saying is that anyone that doesn't agree with you should shut up because your'e always right, and no-one else is allowed an opinion. Why wouldn't you respect a boxing historian over the age of 30, but you would if they were younger. So what happens when you turn 31, you ain't gonna respect yourself and opinion. You ****in muppet. It's geeky nuthuggers like you that think their always right that piss alot of people off.
Just because someone has a different opinion or are older doesn't make them wrong or not respectable in the knowledge of boxing. Get a life, I've seen more fights than you've had hot dinners, and IMO it's you that's in dream world little boy.

[Poet682006]

True, but that IMO was when Mike was beginning the downward spiral so to speak.

Also, in fairness to Mike, Bruno could seriously punch and there's no shame in being wobbled by him.

Poet

[Poet682006]

So what your'e saying is that anyone that doesn't agree with you should shut up because your'e always right, and no-one else is allowed an opinion. Why wouldn't you respect a boxing historian over the age of 30, but you would if they were younger. So what happens when you turn 31, you ain't gonna respect yourself and opinion. You ****in muppet. It's geeky nuthuggers like you that think their always right that piss alot of people off.
Just because someone has a different opinion or are older doesn't make them wrong or not respectable in the knowledge of boxing. Get a life, I've seen more fights than you've had hot dinners, and IMO it's you that's in dream world little boy.

Hurri, I had that same go around with him until I finally got sick of him and put him on my ignore list. Don't trust anyone over thirty! (Hmmm, that's from the 1960s) I've probably watched more fights in the last six months than he has in his entire life! (Don't you just love video technology?) So right on Hurri!

Poet

[Franko]

In the Green fight is seemed as if Tyson was playing with Green,he had a smile on his face for the quarter of the fight. He came in that fight with a game plan to fight like Frazier.What other fight has he ever came out like that?Its not like he didnt know of Green's speed,he was well aware and prepared himself for it. As for the Smith fight,even the commentators said you cant make a fight if the other participant isnt willing to fight.In which Smith wasnt,all he did was walk away or tie up. Tyson was very active in that fight,but you can only do so much. As for the Tucker fight.I still think he got staggered because he was off balance,his feet were side to side.More of an off balanced shot then staggered. View it for yourself.

There was definitely an animosity between Green and Tyson as emphasised by their street brawl, and i'd agree that Tyson was probably playing with Green, and indeed, 10 times out of 10, Mike Tyson would've beat Mitch Green but that's not to say that Green didn't pose problems.
I agree that James Smith didn't take the fight to Tyson, and i did touch on his cautious approach, but he hurt Tyson in the last round. In hindsight, Tyson may have been getting frustrated with Smith's tactics, and was caught in the last round due to this.
I agree again with your comments on the Tony Tucker fight, but i thought Tucker posed Tyson problems. Obviously, i realise that Tyson was the clear winner in each of those fights, but fighters did ask questions of him during his peak.

[Verstyle]

There was definitely an animosity between Green and Tyson as emphasised by their street brawl, and i'd agree that Tyson was probably playing with Green, and indeed, 10 times out of 10, Mike Tyson would've beat Mitch Green but that's not to say that Green didn't pose problems.
I agree that James Smith didn't take the fight to Tyson, and i did touch on his cautious approach, but he hurt Tyson in the last round. In hindsight, Tyson may have been getting frustrated with Smith's tactics, and was caught in the last round due to this.
I agree again with your comments on the Tony Tucker fight, but i thought Tucker posed Tyson problems. Obviously, i realise that Tyson was the clear winner in each of those fights, but fighters did ask questions of him during his peak.

When you're that good that always will be questions.It comes with the territory.

[Brassangel]

Mike did a good job on Mitch Green's body during the first half of that fight as well. That's a tactic he should have carried with him more often. Even if it wouldn't have knocked out as many opponents, he could have avoided the frustration of "swing-and-a-miss" to the dome, while still taking a lot of decisions. Besides, the elbows of an opponent will eventually drop when they take enough shots to the ribs, which would have given Mike more selective opportunities to bust some melons.

[Thunder Lips]

Believe it or not, the young Holyfield would fare much worse than the one Tyson fought. If you see prime Evander fight big puncher, you will always notice, with the exception of George Foreman, that at one point he will start slugging with the guy. Many times this would result in a knockdown for him. He was a great skilled fighter, but without discipline. He would stand right in front of the man, completely abandon the jab, and just trade with him. Bert Cooper, Rid**** Bowe and others made him pay for that(Although he could overcome Cooper).
If he did that to Tyson(The slugging warrior Tyson, the one that went toe to toe with Ruddock) he wouldn't last very long against the faster, more powerfull and overall better puncher.
If anyone would have eventually beat Tyson it would've been Lewis, a taller, stronger and disciplined fighter with all the right tools to handle and beat Tyson. Not a smaller, filled with slugging instincts in Evander Holyfield. Except for maybe the older version.

I'm going to have to disagree here though I can see the logic. However, I would point out that you can't count Holyfield out against Tyson based on how he was performing or fighting at the time. Going into their first fight, the last we saw of Holyfield was the Bowe, Mercer, and Moorer fights were he looked to be tail spinning into a shot punch drunk slugger. Which is nobody gave him a chance against the returned, surging Tyson. I've always looked at it as Holyfield simply raising his game against Tyson and having studied him for so long knew how to handle anything Mike could throw at him. Even after the Tyson series, Holyfield quickly started to detoriate and look sloppy again. The Mike that fought Holfyield was really sharp and dangerous; throwing crafty combinations that would have probably caught anybody less prepared and schooled.

I would even go so far as to say that the Tyson that fought Holyfield was better than the one that fought Ruddock. I know Mike showed his toughness in the Ruddock in the fights, but really, they were disappointing performances at the time. Ruddock was tough but he was slow handed and had no jab and it was expected that Mike could walk right through him..and instead we had grueling, sloppy, wars as Tyson had trouble connecting the dots so to speak. Great fights but really ****ing ugly. Meanwhile, Holyfield was peaking as a Heavyweight. I can't even see Tyson beating the Holyfield that lost to Bowe in the first fight(on the one night, Bowe was actually well conditioned, well prepared, and fought to his potentional.) Even, Holyfield admits he didn't think Bowe would show up in good enough shape to duke it out for 12 rounds. He wouldn't underestimate any version of Tyson.