Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

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  • Ironside
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    #341
    Originally posted by Hawkins
    Are you implying that Michael Spinks was as good as any heavyweight in history?
    He didn't mean that at all, he said the version of Tyson that fought Spinks would have beaten any HW. That doesn't imply Spinks is the best HW ever.


    Tyson definetaly had potential to become the GOAT, just too many obstacles for him to overcome in and out of the ring.

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    • Hawkins
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      #342
      Originally posted by Ironside
      He didn't mean that at all, he said the version of Tyson that fought Spinks would have beaten any HW. That doesn't imply Spinks is the best HW ever.


      Tyson definetaly had potential to become the GOAT, just too many obstacles for him to overcome in and out of the ring.

      Well I wasn't sure what he meant. It's why I asked for clarification.

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      • angelo_dundee
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        #343
        I love Tyson, but even in his prime Ali would have beaten him (if Ali was at his prime or close to it), also Larry Holmes too. Tyson was never good fighting on the backfoot, and if someone stood up to him he imploded and fell away. Ali would keep that jab in his face, and could take any shot Tyson threw (Ali stood up to Shavers, Foreman and Liston-serious punchers!), he'd frustrate Tyson and see him off.

        Similar gameplan would see Holmes thru. To beat Tyson, at anytime, you'd need a great jab, and courage to stand up to his shots. A prime Tyson would force **** most people, but there are some fighters that would beat him.

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        • metalinmybrain
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          #344
          Originally posted by adietheforestfa
          Prime Lewis beats Prime Tyson for me.
          How do you figure pal? Tyson was murdering Lewis in their sparring sessions, Lewis himself said Tyson was too much for him in those days. Tyson was meant to destroy the best of the best in terms of boxers. Lewis just ran into the Tyson he knew he could beat. If you look at it like this Tyson was clearly on his decline when he faced Lewis and Lewis was at his best and fighting his best.

          Prime for Prime Tyson knocks Lewis out with one punch a solid left hook that sends him to the canvas like Rahman did to him with one punch. Lewis was known for getting cracked with one punch to send him down, when he faced Tyson it was his time not Tyson's.

          Lewis was afraid of Tyson in the 80's that is a fact pal.

          Tyson by very very early knockout wit one punch prime for prime!

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          • metalinmybrain
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            #345
            Originally posted by angelo_dundee
            I love Tyson, but even in his prime Ali would have beaten him (if Ali was at his prime or close to it), also Larry Holmes too. Tyson was never good fighting on the backfoot, and if someone stood up to him he imploded and fell away. Ali would keep that jab in his face, and could take any shot Tyson threw (Ali stood up to Shavers, Foreman and Liston-serious punchers!), he'd frustrate Tyson and see him off.

            Similar gameplan would see Holmes thru. To beat Tyson, at anytime, you'd need a great jab, and courage to stand up to his shots. A prime Tyson would force **** most people, but there are some fighters that would beat him.
            Just like Holmes was not a great fighter when pressure was applied just like every other great boxer. Tyson is the type of fighter to shut down any boxer who tries to box him. Holmes Ali it doesn't matter what boxer it was in the history of boxers Tyson would destroy them because of this. Slide the jab and counter with a brutal left hook.

            Ali said Tyson would knock him out with one punch if he could catch him, which in this case the only question is. Is Ali faster moving backwards than Tyson moving forward?

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            • metalinmybrain
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              #346
              Originally posted by poet682006
              You need to remember Tyson peaked much earlier than Lennox did. While Tyson was wearing a title belt Lennox was still in the amatuers.

              Poet
              Correcto my friend. Lewis was afraid of the 80's Tyson and felt that the Tyson he did face was nothing short of washed up. Do you honestly think Tyson was going to let anyone defeat him on his way to the title shot against Berbick? He told Cus before he passed away that he was going to win it for him and look what he did, when Tyson is mentally charged and focused that guy could do anything. He lost interest because of all the obstacles he had to over come outside of the ring.

              Lewis would have gotten his ass knocked good had he faced Tyson of the 80's.

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              • Jim Jeffries
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                #347
                Originally posted by metalinmybrain
                How do you figure pal? Tyson was murdering Lewis in their sparring sessions, Lewis himself said Tyson was too much for him in those days. Tyson was meant to destroy the best of the best in terms of boxers. Lewis just ran into the Tyson he knew he could beat. If you look at it like this Tyson was clearly on his decline when he faced Lewis and Lewis was at his best and fighting his best.

                Prime for Prime Tyson knocks Lewis out with one punch a solid left hook that sends him to the canvas like Rahman did to him with one punch. Lewis was known for getting cracked with one punch to send him down, when he faced Tyson it was his time not Tyson's.

                Lewis was afraid of Tyson in the 80's that is a fact pal.

                Tyson by very very early knockout wit one punch prime for prime!
                A lot of people were afraid of Mike back in the 80's, mostly because of the hype the media created over him squashing some tomatoe cans and some washed up bums. The first that wasn't, a bum named Douglas, knocked him out. Even an inflated 34 year old cruiserweight named Holyfield knocked out a 30 year old Tyson. I've heard way too many excuses for him, he was fun to watch, was very quick for a heavy, and threw some nice combinations and had pretty good power. But an iron jaw he did not have, and at 5'11", he simply was not tall enough to deal with heavies like Lennox Lewis. Prime Mike was good, but he loses to Louis, Liston, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, and probably W. Klitschko, Frasier would have been a pickem.

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                • QueensburyRules
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                  #348
                  Originally posted by adietheforestfa
                  Prime Lewis beats Prime Tyson for me.
                  - -Lewie still in his BigBoy AMA trainers in Tyson's prime.

                  Just the facts, ma'am!

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