Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[Poet682006]

Ah! Brassdip**** is weighing in on yet another subject he knows absolutely NOTHING about.

Poet

[ForemanCrossArm]

EVERYONE who either went the distance or beat Tyson (other than Holyfield, 6'2.5") stood 6'3"+ or weighed more than 260. This is like, what, 10 dudes. There is only one exception other than Holyfield, and he was the Real Deal so that is kinda' his excuse, and that would be James Tillis.

If you were 6'3" and had the heart to be a muscular 230+ you would have a chance.. even against Tyson in his prime. And Tyson was going at a pretty damn good clip heading into Holyfield I.. He had 8 fights between then and Buster, against not great but accomplshed competition, and 6 of those fights didn't go 4 rounds! And 2 of them were title fights.

Holyfield shouldn't be dissed here.. he had had ONE fight between Bowe III, Moorer, and Mercer.. all of which could've been losses. Yet he actually righted the ship (sound familiar..) and beat the baddest man on the planet, twice.

And.. uh.. Foreman didn't go down ONCE between '87-'97.. 'nuff said.

[The Iron Man]

EVERYONE who either went the distance or beat Tyson (other than Holyfield, 6'2.5") stood 6'3"+ or weighed more than 260. This is like, what, 10 dudes. There is only one exception other than Holyfield, and he was the Real Deal so that is kinda' his excuse, and that would be James Tillis.

If you were 6'3" and had the heart to be a muscular 230+ you would have a chance.. even against Tyson in his prime. And Tyson was going at a pretty damn good clip heading into Holyfield I.. He had 8 fights between then and Buster, against not great but accomplshed competition, and 6 of those fights didn't go 4 rounds! And 2 of them were title fights.

Holyfield shouldn't be dissed here.. he had had ONE fight between Bowe III, Moorer, and Mercer.. all of which could've been losses. Yet he actually righted the ship (sound familiar..) and beat the baddest man on the planet, twice.

And.. uh.. Foreman didn't go down ONCE between '87-'97.. 'nuff said.

Well Danny Williams werent over 6'3" he was 6'1", and he beat Tyson, why cose tyson werent in his prime. Neither was he wen he fought Holyfield, Lewis or Mcbride. Ali came back from a 3 years break, and lost to Leon Spinks and that guy is nothing now, Tyson comes back from 4 years prison losses to Holyfield and his killed about it. Anyone can see tysons skill had diminished since before prison. Lewis Beat Tyson wen he was 36, and its now said how lewis was better than tyson, and that there is noway tyson could have won. Trevor Berbick beat a 39 year old Ali..now is berbick better than Ali? No. Lewis fought his best fights in his 30s, was in his best shape in his 30s, that it something many fighters havent achieve..hell lewis' prime was basically in his late 30's, so you cant judge tyson on that. In both their primes Tyson and Lewis lost. Rahman, McCall and Douglas are around the same in ability, and lewis lost to two "Douglas' in his prime.

[ForemanCrossArm]

Danny Williams maybe wasn't tall, but he was still "big" as he weighed 260+ (50 lbs. heavier than prime-Holyfield).

Tyson wasn't washed up when he faced Holyfield.. The fight went quite a few rounds, Tyson was coming off two straight TITLE MATCH WINS.

And Lewis was in his best shape at around the time of the Tommy Morrison hype. He was basically a taller, bigger Holyfield. The slimmer Lewis would've dominated the EasternBlocBro's, not relying on a cut to escape with the win.. He lacked focus [at times], and that is probably why the added bulk helped him accomplish more in the late 90's..

I wish we could've seen Rid**** Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, and Lewis fight eachother at around '91-ish or so..

[The Iron Man]

Tyson wasnt at his best wen he faced Holyfield, he may have had to title wins, but they werent against opponents as good as Holyfield, he didnt have as much head movement, he accepted more clinches. He walked into punches. Its a shame We couldnt see them lot fight around that time.. but tyson didnt have Kevin Rooney then so his skills would have diminished.

[Poet682006]

Tyson wasnt at his best wen he faced Holyfield, he may have had to title wins, but they werent against opponents as good as Holyfield, he didnt have as much head movement, he accepted more clinches. He walked into punches. Its a shame We couldnt see them lot fight around that time.. but tyson didnt have Kevin Rooney then so his skills would have diminished.

Watch Tyson's old fights: He clinched a lot more than people think. Mostly it was a desire to gain room to punch. When the ref would separate the two fighters Tyson would be right where he wanted to be: At medium range where he had room to throw the leaping punches he liked.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

Yeh true, but he accepted more clinches later on, he would just walk into people to clinch, he allowed people to come in and clinch were usually he would attack them if they came in close.

[ForemanCrossArm]

Uh, have you ever seen rounds 1-10 of Holyfield-Tyson I.. ? I'm guessing, from your last post, nope.

All things aside, past all of the bickering, lets just make one little thing clear.. He would've made a helluva' cruiserweight..

[The Iron Man]

Corse i have seen it, Tyson doesnt finish aswell as he used to he rocks Holyfield and leaves it, he lost the Killer Instict despite this on his return to boxing he was still a good boxer, but before prison he was great..and will always be regarded as great by me and many others

[ForemanCrossArm]

Um, he never rocks Holyfield during the whole fight. (At least Holyfield doesn't show it)

He out-boxed, clinched at the right times, used the ring way better, and wasn't even wobbled by that one really awesome combo (round 8 I believe).

He beat Tyson at his own game.