Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[Poet682006]

Thomas wasnt a bad fighter, Dundee even says how good a fighter he was and i think he knows something about good fighters! He done well Against Holyfield and Bowe beat witherspoon. Berbicks record of 50-11 is respectable only being knocked out twice once to tyson. He may not have been the best but there were worse. He was a decent fighter. Smith ill give it too you wasnt a great fighter, but he used a tactic against mike which ws just to survive he didnt wanna fight. Apart from him mike beat the other guys in tremendous fashion..so even if they are bad in ur opinion Tyson made then look even worse, so he cant be blamed for that. As for tucker winning, i have to disagree tyson easily won on the score card..: Julio Roldan (118-113), Phil Newman (119-111), Bill Graham (117-112)

Don't get me wrong, I don't BLAME Mike for the quality of his opposition: He could only fight who was there. What I AM saying is the quality of his opposition HAS to temper any evaluation of his abilities as a fighter. I agree Thomas was a damn good fighter just as I do Bruno. The problem is, at the time he faced Tyson Thomas was going in and out of rehab and I don't believe he could fight anywhere near his peak abilities. I wasn't referring to the score cards where Tucker was concerned I was referring tp the fact he broke his hand in the second round and was a one-handed fighter thereafter. My belief is if he HADN'T broken his hand he may very well have beaten Tyson.

Ah yes Berbick. Only being knocked out twice means he had a pretty good chin not that he was a pretty good fighter. People point to his performance against Larry Holmes as evidence Trevor could fight. The problem with that is at that point in his career Holmes was coming in undertrained and out of shape. Check out the Carl Williams fight or better yet the first Spinks fight. Doing a decent job against an opponent who's undertrained and unmotivated doesn't really say anything about how good YOU are.

As for the dude who's downing Bruno.....you're sounding like the typical American boxing fan who only knows Bruno from his KO losses to Tyson. Why don't actually WATCH some of Bruno's fights besides the Tyson ones? Hmmm?

Poet

[Verstyle]

Tyson's opposition wasnt all that bad,he just made them look bad. When the Bulls went 72-10 ppl said they didnt really face ppl that were good that year. When a team beats another team or when a fighter beats another fighter pretty bad,it always gets questioned.

Like I stated about Tyson,if you beat most of your opponents one sided,its automatically a bum.When he destroyed Spinks in 91 seconds,ppl tended to say he fought a blown up heavyweight.Stop me if Im wrong,but isnt someone that weighs around 210lb(I think Spinks weight for the fight) and Tyson around 217lbs,then isnt that about equal weight during fight time? They're so many things ppl try to discredit Tyson for.It seems as if destroying your opponents automatically makes them not too good.

[The Iron Man]

When someone clears up the competition, it is always questioned look at tyson Marciano, Prince Naseem, Jones Jr, in some cases its true. But tyson may have fought some bad fighters but he finised them off easily so that shows at least he was a good fighter. I guess Knocking out Spinks, Berbick and Holmes shows how powerfull and accurate tyson was with his punches. As for Bruno he was a good fighter as you said and i totally agree so what does that make tyson wen he beat him twice and convincingly and more easily then Lewis?

[-CANE-]

When someone clears up the competition, it is always questioned look at tyson Marciano, Prince Naseem, Jones Jr, in some cases its true. But tyson may have fought some bad fighters but he finised them off easily so that shows at least he was a good fighter. I guess Knocking out Spinks, Berbick and Holmes shows how powerfull and accurate tyson was with his punches. As for Bruno he was a good fighter as you said and i totally agree so what does that make tyson wen he beat him twice and convincingly and more easily then Lewis?

Good point but that don't automatically make Tyson better than Lewis. Styles make fights. Tyson struggled with Ruddock, Lewis blew him away. Plus Bruno was scared to death going into both fights with Tyson he was never gonna win.

[The Iron Man]

I was simply saying that Bruno was a decent fighter as lewis another great struggeld with him. But i dnt agree with Bruno being scared of tyson

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I was simply saying that Bruno was a decent fighter as lewis another great struggeld with him. But i dnt agree with Bruno being scared of tyson

I thought he looked scared personally. Bruno was decent and if hed trained different and not used the weights he would have been a lot better. Hed have been quicker of hand and foot, maybe power would have increased because of the added speed. Stamina would have been a lot better. I think Bruno had a rock chin he always got stopped on his feet and every time was due to tiredness.

[The Iron Man]

Well on the second tyson fight he was basically down..or on his way down he was falling.. and he was KOd against smith if i remember correctly..good fighter im a big fan cose his a British underdog lol. But i dont think he was scared he went toe to toe, he didnt go down like Seldon!

[Mike Tyson77]

The Greatest fighter of all time.

It's quite a question isnt it? It's also an opinion question.


The topic of this thread was "Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??".


I say he is "the best ever."

You could call me a "Tyson fanatic." But please call me a "Boxing Fanatic", cause I can't wait for Taylor vs. Pavlik tomorrow. And I can't wait to see who Wladimir Klitschko fights next. I can't wait until Mayweather vs. Hatton.

I wouldnt even know who any of the fighters where if if wasnt for "Iron" Mike.


Thank you Mike for giving me boxing, the greatest sport on earth.

[res]

Eh, glass jaw Lewis get's knocked out. it would have taken lewis atleast the same 8 rounds that he needed to take out post-prime Tyson to try to take out Prime Tyson. His chin is not going to survive the Prime-Tyson onslaught for that long, it's common sense. Ripping shots to the body, ripping shots to the head. He also murders any version of that bear George Foreman more easily that lennox

Liston would have a very good chance of taking him out and Ali definately would have (By decision)..

[Poet682006]

The Greatest fighter of all time.

It's quite a question isnt it? It's also an opinion question.


The topic of this thread was "Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??".


I say he is "the best ever."

You could call me a "Tyson fanatic." But please call me a "Boxing Fanatic", cause I can't wait for Taylor vs. Pavlik tomorrow. And I can't wait to see who Wladimir Klitschko fights next. I can't wait until Mayweather vs. Hatton.

I wouldnt even know who any of the fighters where if if wasnt for "Iron" Mike.


Thank you Mike for giving me boxing, the greatest sport on earth.

Leaving aside you're belief in Tyson as the best ever (which I think by any OBJECTIVE standard is incorrect) I have to commend you on your loyalty to the fighter who got you into the sport. With the exception of the two fighters who trancended the sport, no one fighter is bigger than the sport itself. Creating a BOXING fan is the greatest gift a fighter can give his fan. You clearly recognize the debt of gratitude you have for Tyson making you a boxing fan and that's great! For me it was Ali then Holmes sealed the deal. For others of my generation it was Duran that tuned them into the sport. Maybe it will be Sam Peter that does it for this generation. Who knows?

Poet