Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[Poet682006]

Dude. Tyson's a fighter not a god. He would have lost at somepoint trouble or no. Probably to Holyfield in 91' if he somehow managed to beat Douglas (no sure thing as Tyson discovered).

Poet

[Verstyle]

The love-hate of Tyson will always be there.Reason why he will always be remembered.

[Poet682006]

The love-hate of Tyson will always be there.Reason why he will always be remembered.

Yeah Versi, it just drives me batty though when I see people acting like he was some kind of perfect fighting god. He wasn't. People need to watch his fights without stars in their eyes.

Poet

[Verstyle]

Yeah Versi, it just drives me batty though when I see people acting like he was some kind of perfect fighting god. He wasn't. People need to watch his fights without stars in their eyes.

Poet

I watch him daily,he was something really special.No one is perfect as a fighter,but in his prime his PHYSICAL skills were damn close.I havnt see a heavyweight since Tyson to have that kind of speed he had,nor defensive moves.He would get in the pocket of fighters and still rarely get hit.He was explosive as **** for a heavyweight.

Ive analyzed Tyson's fights for almost 4 years,as I fight the peek-a-boo like him.So I analyze everything he did around 85-88 very closely.When you study a fighter as much as Ive studied Tyson,you see things that the normal person that has only seen lets say Tyson-Biggs fight 3 times in their life.Well Ive seen that fight well over 100 times,literally,and thats only that fight.

The thing I cant stand is when ppl that really havnt seen alot of Tyson's fights always got something negative to say. Example:He fought bums,in his early years he fought ppl that had better records then he did.Im saying the 85' Tyson.Most ppl starting off would fight someone that has about the same record as them.I mean how many fighters starting out fight guys that are 20-0? When they're only 6-0?He also was in the Heavyweight belt Tournament,in which he didnt choose who he fought.He fought Gold Medalist,2 of them.He fought 2 legends,#1 contenders,title holders.How is a title holder a bum? Another thing is they say he didnt fight ppl that fought back,then who the hell is Razor Ruddock? They say he had no heart,you dont get beat down by Lewis and Douglas for over 8 rounds and not have heart to still try to win.You dont continue fighting when you hurt your knee and try to continue fighting. Those are the ones I cant stand.The ones that really dont have knowledge of Tyson to really comment on what he's done besides an ear biting and other recent fights or hearsay from other ppl. You cant judge a man on what he's done during the tail end of his career.

[sterling]

look we could agru all bloody day the fact is he didnt have the most important factor in boxing intelligence so he would not of beat quite a few fighters he was just relaying on speeed and power.
I love tyson great fighter defo one of my favs but he lacked in the one thing that counted being smart so he lost everything he only now realises what he threw away and he just wants to be left alone now its sad that even after all that hes stil depressed he had everything i mean kids starv in africa and they can stil put on a smile just for being alive.
Tyson hasnt sorted anything out and i dont think he never will he is without a doubt the most tragic and wasted talent ever in boxing i think hes next to kirklang but tyson is more lucky then kirklang.

[Poet682006]

The love-hate of Tyson will always be there.Reason why he will always be remembered.

I watch him daily,he was something really special.No one is perfect as a fighter,but in his prime his PHYSICAL skills were damn close.I havnt see a heavyweight since Tyson to have that kind of speed he had,nor defensive moves.He would get in the pocket of fighters and still rarely get hit.He was explosive as **** for a heavyweight.

Ive analyzed Tyson's fights for almost 4 years,as I fight the peek-a-boo like him.So I analyze everything he did around 85-88 very closely.When you study a fighter as much as Ive studied Tyson,you see things that the normal person that has only seen lets say Tyson-Biggs fight 3 times in their life.Well Ive seen that fight well over 100 times,literally,and thats only that fight.

The thing I cant stand is when ppl that really havnt seen alot of Tyson's fights always got something negative to say. Example:He fought bums,in his early years he fought ppl that had better records then he did.Im saying the 85' Tyson.Most ppl starting off would fight someone that has about the same record as them.I mean how many fighters starting out fight guys that are 20-0? When they're only 6-0?He also was in the Heavyweight belt Tournament,in which he didnt choose who he fought.He fought Gold Medalist,2 of them.He fought 2 legends,#1 contenders,title holders.How is a title holder a bum? Another thing is they say he didnt fight ppl that fought back,then who the hell is Razor Ruddock? They say he had no heart,you dont get beat down by Lewis and Douglas for over 8 rounds and not have heart to still try to win.You dont continue fighting when you hurt your knee and try to continue fighting. Those are the ones I cant stand.The ones that really dont have knowledge of Tyson to really comment on what he's done besides an ear biting and other recent fights or hearsay from other ppl. You cant judge a man on what he's done during the tail end of his career.

Well, you know me Versi and you KNOW I've watched the fights. I personally feel the two Ruddock fights were Tyson's finest efforts, despite the bad stoppage in the first fight. I hold that against Richard Steele NOT Tyson: It wasn't Mike's fault.

It's too late now to write anything long tonight but we've got to have a long Tyson discussion as you're one of the few people I can hold a good, non- nasty discussion about him.

Poet

[them_apples]

A young Tyson walked through the best of the best, as his career swelled he stopped training, he partied more, he got ****y..and he even got knocked down by his sparring partner, its only fitting that he loses to Holyfield. A lot of people seem to think Tyson just fought bums, and as soon as anyone good comes around he loses. WRONG, they would have said the same thing if Spinks knocked him out. The point is, nobody has ever wiped the entire division out like he did, and for that he needs some credit.

When Tyson was training his ass off in the 80's, he could probably be the closest thing to a "perfect" fighter. However, he lacked the mental capabilities and got caught up in the extravagant life style, thus screwing him over.

[BKM-]

Dude. Tyson's a fighter not a god. He would have lost at somepoint trouble or no. Probably to Holyfield in 91' if he somehow managed to beat Douglas (no sure thing as Tyson discovered).

Poet

Believe it or not, the young Holyfield would fare much worse than the one Tyson fought. If you see prime Evander fight big puncher, you will always notice, with the exception of George Foreman, that at one point he will start slugging with the guy. Many times this would result in a knockdown for him. He was a great skilled fighter, but without discipline. He would stand right in front of the man, completely abandon the jab, and just trade with him. Bert Cooper, Rid**** Bowe and others made him pay for that(Although he could overcome Cooper).
If he did that to Tyson(The slugging warrior Tyson, the one that went toe to toe with Ruddock) he wouldn't last very long against the faster, more powerfull and overall better puncher.
If anyone would have eventually beat Tyson it would've been Lewis, a taller, stronger and disciplined fighter with all the right tools to handle and beat Tyson. Not a smaller, filled with slugging instincts in Evander Holyfield. Except for maybe the older version.

[taws6]

Lewis or Bowe would be the two guys to worry about, i highly doubt that evander could have beaten tyson in the early 1990's. Tyson wasnt a god.. lol there just wasnt much competition thats why he probably could have gone undefeated. Also dont forget about big george...

[Verstyle]

Lewis or Bowe would be the two guys to worry about, i highly doubt that evander could have beaten tyson in the early 1990's. Tyson wasnt a god.. lol there just wasnt much competition thats why he probably could have gone undefeated. Also dont forget about big george...

The same Bowe that was getting his ass kicked in both Golota fights? Golota doesnt have half of anything that a Prime Tyson had. The only think that saved Bowe was the lowblows from Golota.