Who was better Dempsey or Tunney?

[BKM-]

Good point.

[bengidaro]

The question is over a career who was better Dmepsey or Tunney not who won the fights because we all know who won the fights. I don't want to know not who would beat who in their prime because that does not determine greatness. I'm asking with the fighters they fought at the time they fought who was better?

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The question is over a career who was better Dmepsey or Tunney not who won the fights because we all know who won the fights. I don't want to know not who would beat who in their prime because that does not determine greatness. I'm asking with the fighters they fought at the time they fought who was better?

Ok accomplishmentwise, tunney beat greb and dempsey, so it has to be tunney

[sweetfights]

sweetfights

Like comparing apples and oranges.
Tunney was the quick two fisted boxer with great movement. Dempsey the tough as nails power puncher.
sweetfights

[QueensburyRules]

Tunney beat a washed up Dempsey and one one of those fights were controversial. It means nothing. Dempsey was better.

- - Butterfly knows. Dempsey is always the legend where Tunney was a great p4p type fighter but a bit blah in the ring.

After Dempsey's KO of Tunney in a legit officiated fight, they could've had an epic trilogy, but that ain't the way boxing works.

[JAB5239]

- - Butterfly knows. Dempsey is always the legend where Tunney was a great p4p type fighter but a bit blah in the ring.

After Dempsey's KO of Tunney in a legit officiated fight, they could've had an epic trilogy, but that ain't the way boxing works.

It was legitimately officiated. Dempsey just didn't follow the rule he lobbied for.

[Bronson66]

I know Tunney beat him twice but we have to remember that it was Dempsey's third to last and final fight. One of which was the infamous "Long Count". So over their careers who was better Dempsey or Tunney? I'll be the first to say I think Demspey was better.

Jack was better imo,but stylistically Tunney would always pose problems for him imo.

[QueensburyRules]

It was legitimately officiated. Dempsey just didn't follow the rule he lobbied for.

- - Nor did Tunney not that it made any difference since Jack was up in a flash from a flash KD, not out on the canvas counting stars like Tunney.

Bad Ref, something you have an affinity for.

[JAB5239]

- - Nor did Tunney not that it made any difference since Jack was up in a flash from a flash KD, not out on the canvas counting stars like Tunney.

Bad Ref, something you have an affinity for.

You said Dempsey KO'd Tunney. That's not true. Tunney followed the count. Not his fault Dempsey didn't go to a neutral corner.

[Willie Pep 229]

Tunney scored a flash KD in the eight.

Dempsey scored a devastating KD in the seventh.

Barry was inconsistent in counting the KDs. It makes him suspect.

Nothing more really can be said except conjecture as to what might have happened.

What I see.

RE The point with an above remark.

Dempsey did try to follow the rule. So much so that when he freezes after the KD, Barry instructs him to a "neutral" corner. (We'll never know what Barry said,) but Dempsey, trying to stay within the rules, foolishly begins to move deeper into the closest corner, only to have Barry become more animated. Dempsey quickly realizes his mistake and heads for a neutral corner.

Barry then chose to follow Dempsey to the corner, even though Dempsey is in-route himself.

Barry returns to Tunney and hears four from the KD counter at ringside, but chooses to start at one anyway.

I suspect even Tunney was surprised by Barry's decision to start at one. When Barry begins the count Tunney starts to rise for a moment but then sits back down and relaxes when he realizes Barry is only just beginning his count.

Tunney had maybe the best ring IQ ever. His only time ever on the canvas and he handled it perfectly. Even having the presence of mind to take full advantage of Barry's erroneous count.