Who could beat a prime George Foreman?

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  • Ivich
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    #281
    Originally posted by KidDynamite86
    Although most of these would be hypothetical, which list of fighters could be able to beat a prime George Foreman? Keep it 1920- please

    Muhammad Ali DID...but the rest of my list I have a hard time thinking of. Sonny Liston is all that comes to mind.
    Liston
    Holmes
    Lewis
    These are the most likely candidates imo.

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      #282
      Foreman never impressed me, at least not until he won the title against Moorer. Foreman was slow and had questionable stamina. He did well against fighters who stood in front of him. Best wins prior to Ali loss was Frazier, Chuvalo and Norton. Of those three, one could argue for or against the greatness of Frazier...the other two not so much. I think quite a few HWs stood a chance to beat him if they boxed him wisely or could take him into deep waters. Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Shavers, Tyson, Mercer, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Vitali, Fury, all have a good chance to win. That doesn't mean they would be the betting favorite to beat him, but each of them had the skill and tools to win if they fought the right fight.

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        #283
        Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
        Foreman never impressed me, at least not until he won the title against Moorer. Foreman was slow and had questionable stamina. He did well against fighters who stood in front of him. Best wins prior to Ali loss was Frazier, Chuvalo and Norton. Of those three, one could argue for or against the greatness of Frazier...the other two not so much. I think quite a few HWs stood a chance to beat him if they boxed him wisely or could take him into deep waters. Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Shavers, Tyson, Mercer, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Vitali, Fury, all have a good chance to win. That doesn't mean they would be the betting favorite to beat him, but each of them had the skill and tools to win if they fought the right fight.
        By any chance do you know the betting odds for Frazier-Foreman I ?

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          #284
          Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

          By any chance do you know the betting odds for Frazier-Foreman I ?
          I do know Frazier was the favorite, not sure on the exact odds, I think 3-1. He was still hot from his win over Ali.
          Last edited by GhostofDempsey; 09-19-2022, 02:41 PM.

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            #285
            Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
            Foreman never impressed me, at least not until he won the title against Moorer. Foreman was slow and had questionable stamina. He did well against fighters who stood in front of him. Best wins prior to Ali loss was Frazier, Chuvalo and Norton. Of those three, one could argue for or against the greatness of Frazier...the other two not so much. I think quite a few HWs stood a chance to beat him if they boxed him wisely or could take him into deep waters. Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Shavers, Tyson, Mercer, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Vitali, Fury, all have a good chance to win. That doesn't mean they would be the betting favorite to beat him, but each of them had the skill and tools to win if they fought the right fight.
            Not trying to be a ****, honest....but did you express that Foreman and Frazier never impressed you....but Mercer and Bowe did?? I like your contributions, which is part of what compelled me to ask.

            As to who beats Foreman, who had a few flaws that were wildly offset buy some best-ever level strengths. Not many. What Ali and Young pulled off had allot to do with the moment. Shavers wasn't durable enough IMO to last. But anything can happen when the top guys go head to head. Ditto for Lewis and Wladimir. Dempsey, Wills, Godfrey, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Tyson and Fury probably had a good shot. But whado I know?

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              #286
              Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

              Not trying to be a ****, honest....but did you express that Foreman and Frazier never impressed you....but Mercer and Bowe did?? I like your contributions, which is part of what compelled me to ask.

              As to who beats Foreman, who had a few flaws that were wildly offset buy some best-ever level strengths. Not many. What Ali and Young pulled off had allot to do with the moment. Shavers wasn't durable enough IMO to last. But anything can happen when the top guys go head to head. Ditto for Lewis and Wladimir. Dempsey, Wills, Godfrey, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Tyson and Fury probably had a good shot. But whado I know?
              If Big George can get by Tyson's rush - he eventually catches him with an uppercut and then it's done.

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                #287
                Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

                Not trying to be a ****, honest....but did you express that Foreman and Frazier never impressed you....but Mercer and Bowe did?? I like your contributions, which is part of what compelled me to ask.

                As to who beats Foreman, who had a few flaws that were wildly offset buy some best-ever level strengths. Not many. What Ali and Young pulled off had allot to do with the moment. Shavers wasn't durable enough IMO to last. But anything can happen when the top guys go head to head. Ditto for Lewis and Wladimir. Dempsey, Wills, Godfrey, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Tyson and Fury probably had a good shot. But whado I know?
                Mercer impressed me in his performance against Lewis where many felt he won that fight. Being able to handle Lewis’ best punches suggests to me he could handle Foreman’s power. Lewis was a more nuanced fighter IMO. Bowe was at least better than Lyle, and Lyle gave Foreman all he could eat. Bowe was able to grit it out against Holyfield, who I would favor over Foreman. I’m not saying Frazier never impressed me, to the contrary he did, I’m only saying his overall greatness has been argued for and against. Frazier chose to stand in front of Foreman and played right into his hand, literally. He fought the wrong fight in their first go, by the second go he was shot.

                I don’t think Wlad could beat him, but I think Vitali would stand a punchers chance.

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                  #288
                  I like prime Larry Holmes chances against anybody

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                    #289
                    Liston, Ali, MAYBE Vitali.

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                      #290
                      Originally posted by Hustle
                      I like prime Larry Holmes chances against anybody
                      - - Lar the same age as George completely missing in the ratings and fights anytime George was active.

                      I coulda whooped Lar in those years.

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