Who could beat a prime George Foreman?

[K-DOGG]

You allowed the guy to influence you, thats pretty weak man. Foreman would have crushed dempsey and marciano, they are tailor made to lose to him. Well, expect k-dogg to make some bull**** reply as to how they can beat him.

Joe Frazier can never beat foreman, all he can do is bob and weave his way into foreman's reach and get smoked.

Actually, I feel their styles would play into George's hands. Anything's possible; but I feel it's highly unlikely either would last 6 rounds with Foreman. Styles do make fights, after all.

[brownpimp88]

Actually, I feel their styles would play into George's hands. Anything's possible; but I feel it's highly unlikely either would last 6 rounds with Foreman. Styles do make fights, after all.

wow, we agree with each other, thats a first. Max baer lost most of his big fights, he really shouldnt be mentioned as a guy that can beat foreman. Maybe a 45 year old foreman, but the one that was destyoring everyone in the 70's, nope.

Foreman would beat tyson too, he cant adapt to slick boxing, tyson relies on moving forward and getting inside. Yeah tyson, just come into george's reach the same way frazier did and get smoked.

Larry Holmes on the hand, would turn george's face into hamburger meat.

[K-DOGG]

wow, we agree with each other, thats a first. Max baer lost most of his big fights, he really shouldnt be mentioned as a guy that can beat foreman. Maybe a 45 year old foreman, but the one that was destyoring everyone in the 70's, nope.

Foreman would beat tyson too, he cant adapt to slick boxing, tyson relies on moving forward and getting inside. Yeah tyson, just come into george's reach the same way frazier did and get smoked.

Larry Holmes on the hand, would turn george's face into hamburger meat.

After SABBATH's enlightening post about Baer's attitude before the Louis fight, I am more along the line of thinking that he'd choke in the face of Foreman's power and presence. If he found Joe Louis intimidating, prime Foreman very well could have caused him to have a fecal discharge. Because of Baer's power and George's less than impressive defensive capabilities, he does have a shot; but, boxing being mental, George would surely have the edge.

I agree with you on Tyson and Holmes. Even win I posted earlier I stressed that for Tyson to beat Foreman, it would be an uphill battle. Prime Mike could have beaten a prime Foreman; but in all honesty, I wouldn't bet on such a proposistion. Tyson's height wouldn't have helped him. I feel he would have lasted longer than Frazier; but George eventually gets him IMHO.

[brownpimp88]

There is a reason as to why foreman didnt want to fight holmes. He knows that he is larry's *****.

[K-DOGG]

There is a reason as to why foreman didnt want to fight holmes. He knows that he is larry's *****.

lol!! Well, I wouldn't have put it like that; but George is no dummy, no. He never has been, which, I think, is why the Jerry Quarry fight never materialized back in 1974. Quarry had just beaten both Lyle and Shavers and a challenge to Foreman would have been big money; but George never took it. Jerry's style was such that it would have given Foreman a formidable challenge because Quarry had a very good chin as well.

And, of course, all through his march to the championship in his second incarnation, he never fought a top contender. He ended up beating a washed up Gerry Cooney. No, George was no dummy.

[SABBATH]

You allowed the guy to influence you, thats pretty weak man. Foreman would have crushed dempsey and marciano, they are tailor made to lose to him. Well, expect k-dogg to make some bull**** reply as to how they can beat him.

Joe Frazier can never beat foreman, all he can do is bob and weave his way into foreman's reach and get smoked.

Lets see off the top of my head.

Olympic Gold Medal heavyweight Champion.

Two time undisputed (linear heavyweight champion).

Won titles 21 years apart.

One of the youngest men at 24 years of age to win the title.

Oldest man at 45 years to ever win the heavyweight championship.

One of only two men to stop ATG heavyweight champion Joe Frazier (twice) and one of only three men to floor Frazier, doing it 8 times.

76-5 with 69 KO's giving him the second highest KO % of any linear heavyweight champion despite half of his career being fought after a 10 year layoff.

Scored KO's over top 10 contenders from 4 seperate decades.

Stopped only once and floored by only three men in 81 professional fights.

A career spanning four decades and was still competing with top 10 heavyweights a month shy of his 49th birthday.

Called the strongest man they ever fought by both ATG heavyweight champions Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfield.

Nah...........he shouldn't be on the list.

[KidDynamite86]

I'm not doing the list based on who can beat who. Foreman can beat Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, Tyson...or atleast has a better chance than losing, but he's not a better fighter. Someone said earlier in the thread, that styles make fights...and even though Foreman could beat Frazier, Frazier is better skilled and packaged. He was just no good for Foreman stylistically.

[SABBATH]

lol!! Well, I wouldn't have put it like that; but George is no dummy, no. He never has been, which, I think, is why the Jerry Quarry fight never materialized back in 1974. Quarry had just beaten both Lyle and Shavers and a challenge to Foreman would have been big money; but George never took it. Jerry's style was such that it would have given Foreman a formidable challenge because Quarry had a very good chin as well.

The timeline of both fighter's careers don't support the notion that Foreman ducked Quarry.

Quarry was considered out of the title picture until he defeated Shavers in late 1973. Foreman was already set to defend against Norton (who had been the #1 contender between March-Sept 1973). After Foreman-Norton, Ali was the #1 contender and Don King immediately went to work on Ali-Foreman.

In the meantime Teddy Brenner was trying to put together a third Ali-Quarry fight to be fought at MSG. It wasn't believed at the time that King could raise the 10 million he was promising for Ali and Foreman to split.

Brenner was promising Ali much less than the $5 million split King was promising Ali. In any event Ali was the #1 contender and had been for the better part of 4 years so with a 5 million dollar purse and Ali being the mandatory challenger Foreman he took the right fight.

Quarry in the meantime fought Joe Frazier and was stopped.

I have an old boxing magazine from 1974 which came out just after Foreman-Norton but before Frazier-Quarry II. Quarry was being spoken of as Foreman's next title opponent after Ali. Quarry even wrote an article predicting a 5th round KO for Foreman.

[K-DOGG]

The timeline of both fighter's careers don't support the notion that Foreman ducked Quarry.

Quarry was considered out of the title picture until he defeated Shavers in late 1973. Foreman was already set to defend against Norton (who had been the #1 contender between March-Sept 1973). After Foreman-Norton, Ali was the #1 contender and Don King immediately went to work on Ali-Foreman.

In the meantime Teddy Brenner was trying to put together a third Ali-Quarry fight to be fought at MSG. It wasn't believed at the time that King could raise the 10 million he was promising for Ali and Foreman to split.

Brenner was promising Ali much less than the $5 million split King was promising Ali. In any event Ali was the #1 contender and had been for the better part of 4 years so with a 5 million dollar purse and Ali being the mandatory challenger Foreman he took the right fight.

Quarry in the meantime fought Joe Frazier and was stopped.

I have an old boxing magazine from 1974 which came out just after Foreman-Norton but before Frazier-Quarry II. Quarry was being spoken of as Foreman's next title opponent after Ali. Quarry even wrote an article predicting a 5th round KO for Foreman.

You're a virtual cornacopia of knowledge, do you know that?!

Oh well, I can't remember where I read that Quarry was in line and that George essentially took the 5 million...and who wouldn't....for what he thought would be an easier fight.

Oh well, thank again, as always, for the insight.

[brownpimp88]

Sabbath knows his boxing, props to him. Yo, do you think jermain taylor will end up being top 5 middleweight of all times, i seriously think this guy is a pot of gold. He will surpass b-hop, mark my words!