Thurman and Brook are the guys I see at #2 and #3 (along with Bradley) at ww. A fight between any of the group would be an "eliminator" of sorts.
I rate Thurman, but how he can in the top 3 is beyond. me. Fought no one! Bradley beat JMM, is that how he got to 2. If so how can you Spag off Brook wanting to fight JMM.
Thurman - waste
You can't get props by beating a 41 yr. old man, who lost to Bradley. But you can make A LOT of money! So if you want money, fight Marquez, if you want to be respected as an elite WW, fight Thurman. If Brook wants the winner of May vs. Pac, he needs to beat Thurman. Same can be said for Amir Khan, if he wants next, beat Thurman!
Why should anyone beat Thurman? He is a no body. No fans asides a few forum dwellers. Thurman has one good win against a gallant but limited for in Ghost. Ghost had no motivation left and has been losing the plot for a while now. He also struggled against a EBU champion. Barely landed a power punch. Brook, who has done nothing asides from one win over hype job Porter would wreck Thurman. Neither deserves a big fight as neither have more than the one name on thief resume and zero risks!
I understand Brook taking the bigger money fight since Khan will not fight. JMM did lose to Bradley so I don't see why Brook would fight the 4th best ww who IMO he is currently ahead of.
Rather than JMM, I would love to see Thurman fight Brook as an "eliminator" to see who would be the #1 contender for the Floyd/Manny winner.
Thurman is a no body. Beaten no one. Taken no hard fights. Both Brook and Keith need to get in with a Maidana or Bradley to get in the mix.
Even if Marquez wasn't a cripple (now's your chance, Miguel) and on the verge of retirement, he'd still duck Brook due to pathological fear of dark-skinned fighters from the Ingle gym. One musn't forget his blatant ducking of Naseem Hamed all them years back.
THIS!
Brilliant
:pat: thats just an ignorant thing to say. Some people say hes overrated and "hated", as you say, because he lost to ALL his top opposition, and gets knocked around senseless by those same top fighters. He also hasn't had a significant win at 140 let alone 147 where he had, ONE FIGHT! :pat:
I think if you look at some of the vile quotes you see on here you will see that to it certainly isn't an ignorant thing to say. Is hating someone because they have lost to ALL his top opposition a fair emotional response?
Unfortunately you saying he hasn't a significant win at 140 is genuinely, ignorant. That argument is over before it starts.
Also bear in mind he hasn't got the FM fight yet. Why should he not aspire to fight him? He is definitely not in the Cotto, FM, Pac Man league. But as far as boxing and business goes, he is in the tier below trying to break through. That ambition should not be knocked. If he beats Alexander, for the sake of argument, who would be more deserving, and / or would make more sense than him? Give me names.....
I would say only GGG. But FM is going to fight someone who rips him to shreds. Brook - no. Thurman is a nobody. Garcia has no fans or following. Names please....
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With a name like Uthman it is very clear why you support your Pakistani idol. You are both cut from the same race.
Let's use your logic to bust the myth that you are selling:
Khan is disliked because he talks too much and he thinks he is the best that Floyd's ever faced which is pure horse manure. Let's look at FACTS and also counter your silly points:
1) Garcia is UNDEFEATED for a reason. He is better than your idol. There is no lucky punch. Why didn't Khan land a lucky punch on Garcia or Prescott?
2) As for Khan being young and Naive, well, he is a pro boxer so if someone like you, who probably only started watching boxing because of Khan can know that theory why can't Khan and his team?
3) As for comparison purposes, while at 140Ibs Khan used to say that he is not ready for Floyd. Did you ever hear Floyd or even Manny say that they weren't ready for a specific fighter?
4) Khan has NOT won a belt at 147Ibs nor has he beaten anyone of note to warrant a fight with Floyd, yet he claims that he is the best opponent for Floyd based on his handspeed. Where was his handspeed when he fought Garcia or Prescott?
Khan will get KO'd by Alexander and you and all your friends can make all sorts of excuses and talk about his handspeed all you want it will not change the fact that Khan is a joke in America.
My friend, seek an education of some sort:
He isn't my idol. You made that up. I simply said lets discuss his chin. I find it funny when his legs do a funny dance. I watch him because he is exciting to watch, fast and fragile.
My race is irrelevant to this conversation. FACT. Again, you made that up.
Garcia - I didn't say he was better or worse. Didn't mention him in fact.
I didn't start watching boxing because of Khan, you made that up.
No boxer is perfect, and all are young & naive at one point. I haven't claimed Khan is the greatest of all time. I simply said, let discuss his chin in an proper way. So this point is not really a point. You are essentially saying he isn't perfect and asking why not. I am stating the obvious, i.e. he can learn from his mistakes.
I didn't hear Khan say he wasn't ready for FM. Suspect you made that up too. And in any case, if he was in a different weight class, it would make perfect sense for him to say that!
Peterson - that loss hardly registered. Some guy fiddled the scores because the fight was in Washington. In addition to which Peterson is known to be a drug cheat. He hasn't been the same fighter since he stopped doping. He was smashed at times by Khan but could take it because he was on PEDs. These are facts. Garcia - his handspeed was there, he was dominating until that huge hook. Garcia is a puncher and landing that shot would have hurt most fighters.
Any way - good effort. If I was a teacher, which I am not, I would give you a C1 grade. 1 for effort. C for quality.
Tremendous punching power? :D Yes, mate. he has numerous KOs against elite fighters. LOL. Ok, he has decent power, but definitely not devastating power by any means. he is not a ko puncher. Khan is goingto walk true him, if he doesn't get wreckless.
Khan is underrated by many and hated by a lot, although 99% of hatred towards him is based on him being a Pakistani Muslim and / or British.
People say he has no chin. What do they actually mean? Lets discuss this with some level of normal behaviour shall we:
Is every boxer who has ever been knocked out or stopped guilty of having no chin? Ali, Fraser, Lewis, Morales, Pac Man. Can go on and on. Being knocked down doesnt mean you have no chin. If Froch can be put down, anyone can.
Does he (Khan) go down every time he is hit. No. Has he ever been stopped by one punch. No. Has he ever been stopped not on his feet. No. He has been stopped once by Prescott and once by Garcia. Garcia got lucky, lets face it. He hit him, Khan's eardrum went, which is bad luck, and as a result he couldn't recover as he lost balance. Prescott, he was young and naive. He went to war when hurt, under Hunter he wont be doing that again I wouldn't have thought. He still got up against both multiple times and carried on trying to fight. So clearly he has a chin as he can take a punch. No one says that about Pac Man after his one punch KO. It is a nonsense.
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Shane Mosley is Mexican
Zab Judah is Puerto Rican
Sharmba Mitchel is British
Now tell us that these fights happened long ago. Well, can you tell us which black fighter Floyd should have fought over the last 3 years? Someone with a belt or a credible record?
What an idiot you are?
How many credible opponents has he fought that are not black?
King Khan
I'm not offended, I find Khan as tedious as the next guy, but not as tedious as the internet dweebs pissing and moaning about him.
I agree. People need to wake up bit. Floyd does not pick the most worthy people to fight based on what they have achieved and who they have beat. Khan has beaten plenty of big names. More in fact than Canelo, Ortiz and Maidana.
So who does deserve the Floyd fight? Manny lost to Bradley, got KOd by JMM and then beat Bradley who is clearly damaged. Garcia fights total bums. Lets not forget, these morons, mostly racists from middle america who are to pathetic to actually ever fight unless they have a gun, thought Collazo would KO Khan!
The fact is Khan beats any of the US WW or Light Welters. He lost once when he was young to a big puncher at a weight he was draining himself at. He then got robbed by a cheating PED eating idiot. Then he got KOd by a huge puncher who landed a lucky punch.
Kell Brook showed just how overhyped some of these US fighters are. Ala Jeff Lacy. Brook destroyed Porter, made him look like a little beatch. Thurman will be the same. He is probably on PEDs anyway. Why was porter so highly rated, cos he beat Paulie.Paulie was past it and Khan smashed him up years ago! People go on about Garcia but he has not even had one WW fight and got beat by Judah and certainly Herrera and wont fight Herrera again and is staying away from Maythesse too incse this time he isntl blinded early on.
Khan knocks Floyd out. Too fast and too much power. Look at Maidana v Khan and compare that to Floyd v Maidana. i know which fighter looks more dangerous but more than that, which fighter i would pay to see.
WWs
Wtf! Ppl in here are crazy.
Porter was a hype job in the US which they tend to do with boxers who look like they can bang. Brook exposed his actual boxing skills. He clearly is world level and needs to learn more and come back. He can.
Thurman - seems another hype job, ppl making out he is the hardest punched in history. Knocking out bums is nothing. However he definitely is not a bum bit just hasn't proved himself. He need the fight Brook had v Porter.
Brook - how can you say his resume us crap. Undefeated and a world champion. He wasn't offered big names as until he had the belt no one cared to fight him as he was high risk low reward. Like Thurman is now. He worked himself to mandatory and after a few setbacks with Alexander got his title shot and put himself in the mix. He we t to Porters country too. He can now build his resunebecauze ppl will want his belt. He now has a chance to build some fame.
Khan - yes he can be knocked out. But as far as resumes and fanfollowing go he is in a league only below the top boys. Well above those mentioned above. The only fight he will entertain are Floyd, Pac, Garcia (although they have offered this to Garcia plenty of times but had been turned down by Angel. Brook if no one else is avavailable.
Gtfoh
great match-up against a top contender and former ammatuer star, who is bursting onto the world stage.
Great to see Brook as a fighting champion who will defend his belt against whoever they put in front of him, any time of the year.
I am sorry what. He hasnt defended his belt against anyone. He has on name on his resume. If fun time gets a go i dont see why desert storm would not. Does he think Khan will take a fight with him after building up his resume with Gavin! Come on. Brook knows he was lucky to get a decision over Porter. Wont offer him a rematch, even on home soil and wont risk his payday with Khan with any decent fights.
Kell Brook is a waste.
Khan is firmly in the p4p mix
US fight fans are idiots.
Thurman is another Jeff Lacy waiting to happen. He struggled to impress despite the shutout against a decent at best Bundu. Bundu is decent but not in any way world class. Brooks stops Thurman. His power has no effect at top level, Bundu walked through him.
Why would Khan fight Thurman? Khan has been a unified world champ at 140. Beaten something like 10 ex former world title holders. Thurman has none.
Bradley got found out again. Garcia got lucky with a big hook, in a rematch it would be a shut out. Garcia got beat by Herrera and refused a rematch. I think Judah beat him too imo. He is a bum hunter with zero fan base. Khan has no reason to fight him or Thurman. They bring nothing to the table. Khan has a resume that is miles better than both and brings all the money. Garcia is also still at 140. So for now that is irrelevant. Peterson shouldn't have won the fight in the first place and was found to be cheating. Why should Khan give someone who took drugs to beat him a payday. Another stupid yank. Maidana rematch is a possibility, but it isn't that lucrative for Khan and he has beat him once so why should he have to prove himself again?
Mayweather, Pac v Khan are the fights. Otherwise Brook at Wembley. Khan doesn't need these yank bums like people say. I mean wtf would Thurman be gatekeeper to FM. A total nobody who was booed in his own country! LOL. Reckon Frankie Gavin beats him.
Khan, beat a worthy unbeaten opponent like Thurman even Shawn Porter or Ghost Gurrero not pre-defeated one-dimensional Alexander to think you deserve a Mayweather payday. Try again. Show us you really deserve it.
Who is more deserving and a more viable PPV opponent?
Boxing is a business. Does Floyd always fight the most deserving fighter? Has he n it avoided fighters because they pose a risk to his rep and therefore earnings?
Ghost got schooled by FM. Porter got beat by Brook and has no fans. Thurman is a bum who looked average against an average European level guy. Khan is above them in terms of rep, resume and finance.
Khan da best
Khan having no chin is a myth. He has never been knocked out cold. He has been hurt and behaved stupidly after being caught that has led to him being stopped. Big difference. He clearly had weight drain issues too as he is a tall LW or WW. Will probably end up Junior Middle.
He'll stop Alexander. Too fast and too powerful.
Khan has nothing in boxing except a weak jaw and a penchant for losing large. Khan has no title belt no fan base and nothing to offer Brook or any fighter except a fan base of America's and the UK's enemies. Khan is too be scraped off the bottom of peoples shoes. What a hoot? Khan beltless has demands? fricking unbelievable.
Haha the Khan haters on here crack me up.
Literally know nothing of boxing. All this crap about his chin. Bringing up Prescott fight. that was 6 years ago, he was 21 and two weights lower. People get knocked out in boxing. It happens.
the other shocking thing is how badly people write and make their points on here. The lesson here is surely:
STAY IN SCHOOL!
Thurmann is not a step up from Devon, lets be honest here..
Thumann fighting Devon wud be a step up for Thurmann...So how on earth is Khan fighting Thurmann a step up from Devon? I am talking strictly resumes and positioning
Maidana is coming off two losses, right now he is in no position to be a picky cunt. Although i see his reasoning for not wanting to fight Thurmann, high risk, low reward...the same then should apply for Khan, high risk low reward..
People need to be consistent.
This. I agree.
Garcia beat Khan, you idiot.
Judah got KTFO by Kostya Tszyu.
Garcia lost to Judah. Watch the fight.
Tszyu got beat up by Hatton. Hence the on and on part of my quote. Learn to read.
free.....
I am not sure that many people outside of their community support British Pakinstani boxers .My dislike for Khan is he is again trying to climb aboard for free!!!! That's what alot of people really dont like!
It isn't free, he brings more money to the table than any other fighter except for Pac Man.
^^ This.
Maidana coming from 2 loses, he's no right to call the shots right now.
Against Keith 'i havent got ONE decent name on my record' Thurman he can. He would be the A side here big time. Keith is not known, brings no money. Is a nobody basically.
Khan, your style, Thurman style, Brook's stle, Porter's style, Chavez's style, Bradley 's style and Pacquiao's style all gives Mayweather his biggest problem they're fighting each other to get a shot at the sweepstake. Why don't you? So you just want to skip over the rest (best) because.....?
Another idiot. Thurman is a nobody who has fought nobodies. Porter was a hype job too and got beaten by Brook. Bradley is done, Ruslan killed him off and Khan has in any case been after him, especially at 140.
Who the F is Chavez! Are you smoking crack?
IF May Jr takes the Khan fight over Pac, then its the WORLDS WORST DUCK !!
He will NEVER live it down !
He will be KNOWN more for his Duck than for whatever he has done in the ring with his cherry picks.
I think outside of the US that is what he is known for already.
There was NO support that is not nonsense , where were Khan's fans.This was top of the bill at the MGM in Vegas. I have never seen so little support and never heard so many excuses surrounding a fighter.It was the most important fight of Amir's career and no one supporting him or do you see it differently ?
I wasn't there but I heard attendance and numbers were ok? I admit it was not Hatton style but it was not a big big fight.
Fair enough, it's true the reporters keep asking about Mayweather, whole articles are made from Khan's response to one question, etc. etc........the problem with this whole topic is that Khan is still TRYING to learn things Mayweather has been doing since he was a teenager or maybe even before that......yes Khan has more speed than most BUT his ring IQ has been that of a BRUTE in the past, now since he's a little enlightened with some knowledge he thinks he can hang with Mayweather and some fans think the same thing SMH.......but there are no drills for wisdom, there are no drills for intuition and there aren't any drills that Khan can do in the gym to possess the UNDERSTANDING of boxing that Mayweather has had since he was in elementary school.....Mayweather would take Khan to a whole different realm in that squared circle, a whole different dimension where brute force and speed won't make a difference.........FOH Khan it took Angel Garcia a round and a half to figure your one dimensional azz and it took Danny 2 rounds and a half to land a cruel punch to your neck....FOH
Hahaha Danny is a bum. You should stay off here. Anyone that writes capital letters and .... everywhere should stay off and attend school FFS!
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Can you tell us how Khan lost to Garcia and Prescott? He could have easily beaten them with this "hands speed", no?
Your referencing of a "black" fighter is filled with a ton of racial connotations so why don't you also tell us about how you treat your women in Pakistan. They have no rights in Pakistan with honor killings and and the way you treat Hazaras and all the "lower" caste people.
You all live in the UK then go back to marry your cousins in Pakistan then bring them to the UK and treat them like slaves. We know how you think about blacks so keep hiding behind a keyboard pretending to be knowledgeable about boxing when the only boxing you know is A Mere Con. Stick to Cricket!!
Uneducated white boy???
You know what my real problem with Khan is. He would gladly stop the MEGA FIGHT of Pac vs May. He actually thinks he deserves the fight more than Pac. It's ****ing absurd. Delusional twit.
Not true. Watch his and Oscars interview. They say if FM fights Pac, fair enough. But they dont believe it will happen and if not they want the fight.
Moron
When was the last time Mayweather or pacquiao had to face a mandatory challenger?
Brook has just fulfilled his mandatory obligations. He's having to fight a dangerous, highly ranked competitor in Gavin because he wants to stay active.
People don't complain when GGG does it so what's the difference with Brook?
IBF has different rules.
how is fun time dangerous. He was schooled by Bundu. He wouldnt win a round v Alegri.
Literally
naff off u cunt...
Agree with your thoughts and echo them.....
F off and die. Time wasting comment from an inbred english EDL supporting tosspot no doubt.
Dont blame immigration for the fact you are thick and lazy. Should have gone to school you twat.
This from a guy who has done absolutely nothing of note in his career other than get knocked out by a journeyman (who Khan refused to fight in a rematch) in the first round.
Again a bunch of yanks talking crap about British fighters. It aint our fault yanks cant box these days!
I meant his comment is laughable. nothing of note in his career. What of note have you done in your life?? Moron.
Sorry mate - you just got biatch slapped and put down like a dog.