No, this isnt fair to Jai, but boxing isnt fair. Its a tale as old as time, too much risk for not enough reward.
This is a damn good fight, I'll be watching
I can see what OP is saying. Hurd really is very sloppy, altho he looked better against Lara than he did against Trout.
I do think Charlo beats him, and I'd probably also favor Munguia if it came to it.
Still, Hurd is a fun fighter and Im glad he's around.
I dont like the "this fighter has this flaw, so he sucks" mentality. Hurd may not be a HOFer, but he'll entertain us for awhile, and make some money. Salute.
Team GGG bent Oscar over like he was at one of his coke parties.
All the bluster from GBP just revealed that they were really invested in the fight. They used the "this is the last offer!!!" line like 10 times!!
I also have to give props to the editorial staff of the Ring. Stripping Canelo of the (by then laughably illegitimite) Ring title undercut GBP a bit, days before the deal was signed. I can imagine they had to push up against alot of pressure from the business side folks at the RIng.
MGM put some more of their own money up for Golovkin in addition to the 42.5%, so it's like he is getting the 45, but it's not out of Canelo's pocket.
Judging from what Dan Rafael said, and about Tom Loeffler stating GGG stuck to his guns.
I imagine its like this, MGM puts up more $$, so GBP can save face and say "they took our offer" and GGG can say "I got my ~45%"
Usyk put out a statement recently that he was fine physically and would fight - i thought i saw it yesterday on Steve Kim's twitter, but i dont see it now.
But still no date or venue? This was supposed to happen in July (im assuming thats out). Im getting worried. This was the fight i was really looking forward to.
Mikey Garcia is an undefeated 4-weight world champion, who likely beats Lomachenko at 135lbs (the skills conversation is what it is, but Mikey Garcia still has destructive power at 135, while Lomachenko's heavy power basically stopped at 130) to seal the division, while being the likely favorite at 140lb over every fighter not named Prograis or Crawford.
147 is likely too much for him, but if he becomes the 135lb and 140lb kingpin, after Winn world titles at 130 and 126, while still being unbeaten, he's in the hall on the first ballot whenever he's ready to go.
Floyd was maybe the underdog when he fought Genaro Hernandez and Jose Luis Castillo the first time. If you want to use the betting line as grounds to keep Floyd out, you're a fool.
Remilard, Salido, JuanMa, Rocky Martinez, Broner, and Lipinets now, with a likely slate of Easter Jr, Lomachenko, Prograis/Ramirez/etc in the near future. Not a bad run at all
Reading is fundamental. I never said betting lines determines who gets into the HOF. I was pointing out that Mikey has never been an underdog in a fight to push against the view that he is "courageous" and willing to fight anyone.
Yes, of course betting lines have nothing to do w entrance to the HOF. The resume determines HOF. And so far, Mikey's resume is borderline HOF. Best wins are Siri, Broner, hopefully Easter on Sat. He needs to step up his comp to be a slam dunk for the HOF
Everyone cried that he was fighting the only champ at 140. So, he went back down to 135. Linares was his mandatory. After Mikey announce he was fighting at 135, Linares refused to fight him. So he is fighting Easter, who is the best at 135 who is wiling to fight him.
Mikey doesn't fight guys coming off a loss, Loma does though. Also both guys have fought Orlando Salido. And you already said only having a loss to Salido means you are not even close to being elite.
I mean why would Mikey fight Loma? Loma has lost to Salido. As soon as the fight is over, you and the other haters/trolls would be saying Loma is nothing, since he already lost to Salido.
LOL, can someone who understands retard please translate this post for me. Because it just looks like someone trying to twist themselves into a logic knot in their love for a fighter.
Im trying to even remember who Loma fought coming off a loss and had to think hard ... as if anyone ever cites Marriaga as one of Loma's good wins.
Meanwhile. same dude cites WASHED ASS JUAN MA as one of Mikey's good wins.
Dr Cool its pretty obvious that you only know names and the superficial aspect of boxing (4 DIVISION CHAMP, WOW!!). Burgos and even Roman Martinez were better wins for Mikey than wrecked and washed JuanMa. If you knew boxing, you would know that, but I guess you can keep supporting your boy Mikey the best way you know how.
This is what I don't understand, there were a lot of people saying that he ducked Robert Easter because he moved up to fight Broner and then he goes back down to LW to fight undefeated Easter and he still gets $h!tted on, let's remember that Mikey is young and has a lot more years of fighting, I think right now he's been stepping up, and eventually he will fight everyone that wants it, but that's just my opinion.
Easter is a good fight. Hes a solid strapholder. Easter has some defensive holes, and Mikey is a SHARP puncher, so I think Mikey will KTFO Easter. But Easter is a good (not great) fight.
Lipinets & AB were good (not great) challenges too.
I dont want anyone to think I hate Mikey or I think hes garbage.
His resume IMO is good - NOT GREAT.
Its just when dudes go full on hugger mode and believe that EVERYONE is ducking him. (Hmm, if a fighter has a long list of fights that didnt get made ... maybe there's a common denominator here?)
I WANT MIKEY TO STEP IT UP AND make the HOF. I WANT Mikey to fight Loma, or even Linares, and I will root for Mikey in those fights. I want him to fight not just B guys like Lipinets, but B+ guys like Prograis or Ramirez.
Ive just been slightly disappointed by his career.
Loma in that same boat. LOOOLLLLL, that statement is so wrong, its laughable.
Mikey's resume is incomparable to Loma's resume.
Loma didnt just *talk* about Linares, he fought him. Russell, Axeman, Rigo...and he's done this in 5 years in the game.
So what if he stayed out of the pros until he was older? True, by staying amateur, he may have avoided a loss when he was still green (as what happened w/ Siri). But what matters to me is that once he turned pro - HE MAKES GOOD FIGHTS, w/ challenging opponents.
Mikey's got 10 years in and his resume will be Siri, Broner & (hopefully) Easter. In half the time, Loma has done twice as much as Mikey.
AND LOOOLL at whoever said that Broner will be in the HOF.
With how the Hall is set up he gets in now. By time he is retired I believe he will have earned it outright though.
I think he's borderline right now. His best wins will be: Siri, AB, Easter (hopefully). That may be enough.
I hope youre right and he steps up his opposition.
mikey clearly ducked linares. it was pathetic. a "better offer" so laughable. we all know haymon pays these guys millions behind the official purses but mikey took the easier option even though haymon would have paid him millions regardless.
I dont even get into "who ducked who," its too much he said, she said. I just take fighters resume as they actually are.
Mikey v Linares was a fight that could have happened. It didnt.
Instead, Linares fights Loma, a top p4p fighter.
Meanwhile, Mikey fought Lipinets (or as Dr. Fool calls him "A CHAMPION AT 140", as if that means anything). Lipinets is an OK fighter, perfectly adequate as a PAPER CHAMP at 140, but it doesnt compare to Loma.
We could get into "Did Mikey duck____" w Cotto ...Bud... Linares...Loma.., maybe soon Spence. BUt why bother.
Just take his resume for what it is. And what it is RIGHT NOW, is borderline HOF.
And see Im not a Mikey hater (Im Mexican after all). I WANT Mikey to step it up. If he fought Loma, as much as I respect Loma, Id root for Mikey.
Im just tired of these fake call outs.
I mean Lipinets is a good fighter, a stiff test for anyone at 140, but I don't see him as tipping the balance to the HOF. If you add some more good wins at 140, then yes, but one win against Lipinets? Nah
When has Floyd ever been an underdog in a fight?
He hasn't been, that Im aware of. So, what's your point?
My point was that Mikey has never sought out dangerous fights. I guess you could say the same of Floyd. Was Pac Floyd's most dangerous fight?
But Floyd beat so many good & great fighters (Chico, JLC, Cotto, Chino, Pac, etc etc) that he is a slamdunk HOF.
Mikey's resume is IN NO WAY COMPARABLE to Floyds. Currently, he is borderline HOF, IMO.
The thing is I really like Mikey. Very talented fighter.
I even like that he controls his career so carefully. A fighter has a right to control his career - refuse options, not be tied to a promoter. Im down with that.
But Im not gonna give him credit for who he ***calls out*** like some of you seem to do. Talking about him fighting Spence, Bud & Loma, lol.... when his best wins are Broner & (hopefully) Easter.
Damn, some of you need to be a little more cynical.
If Mikey were to beat Easter, Linares & even just fight well v Loma, that would be HOF-worthy.... If he beat Prograis or Ramirez, also. Hopefully he goes this route and doesnt cherry pick easier opponents.
As for Spence... sorry y'all, I'll believe it when I see it, LOL.
Juan Ma, Salido, AB
Mikey don't just fight the best, he beats them too!
LOOOOOLLL at calling JuanMa "the best" :omfg: when Mikey fought him. Now you KNOW Mikey's resume is weak, when you've got folks citing JuanMa washed ass as a good point on his resume.
As for the negotiating history w Linares.... I dont care. I care about the fights. Im not going to go into negotiating history of every possible matchup (Why didnt Mikey fight Linares? Loma, Bud, etc etc.).
Your resume is your resume, however it happened. If boxing is conspiring to prevent your greatness, than so be it.
Russell was over hyped fighting TBAs when he fought Loma. What exactly has GRJ done, beat an aging Gonzalez. Walters is a nobody as well, hadn't fought in a year and never really beat anyone of note besides Nonito who was smaller and past it, same with Rigo. Never said Loma wan't a talented fighter, Linares was his best win. Lomas wins are made more than they are, just because he just turned pro. Will Loma be this offensive genius for the rest of his career 5-8 years from now? Loma's next fight will be against the Beltran/Pedraza winner, two elite fighters by your standards.
Crawford, Loma and Mikey are all in the same path with regards to the HOF. They all have achieved something on the way.
Nope, you can try an spin their resume's all you want, but I have Loma & Bud as surefire HOFs right now, as long as they mantain, while Mikey must step up his opposition.
Loma's resume is MUCH better than Mikey's resume. Bud's resume is a bit better than Mikey's, and he benefits bc he cleared out the best at 140, something Mikey has never done.
Linares, GRJ, Rigo Axeman >>>>>> Broner, Lipnets, (Easter)
Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, Diaz >> Mikey's resume.
Cmon, if you couldnt recognize that Juan Ma was washed when he fought Mikey, I dont know what to tell you. Tell me, after Salido wrecked him, what did Juan Ma ever do in boxing?
After Salido, every halfway decent fighter Juan Ma faced wrecked him too , Mikey just happened to be next in line after Salido.
Loma isnt HOF for losing to Siri. After losing to Siri in HIS SECOND PRO FIGHT, Loma has only beat the likes of GRJ, Axeman, Rigo & Linares.
You have difficulty with complex thoughts, dont you?
Everything is like "duhh, he won a strap in 4 divisions, he must be a HOF" or "well he beat Siri, so he must be better than the dude who lost to Siri"
If you think that Broner belongs in the HOF just because he had a strap in 4 divisions, then I dont know what to tell.
Who did he beat to get those straps?? Actually, I dont even remember, but I know they were mediocre at best.
Broner's best performances were: Paulie. Rees? Allakadiev (sp.). Everytime he stepped up, he lost. LOL, if you think thats a HOF resume, I suggest you stop watching boxing.
You cry Mikey didn't fight Linares, then when you realize it was Linares who ducked him, you cry that it doesn't matter that Mikey tried to fight him.
ORLANDO SALIDO
Checkmate!
LOOOL. So Linares "ducked" Mikey ... in order to fight Loma, who was universally regarded as a much better fighter than Mikey. (Higher on all p4p lists).
Meanwhile, Mikey fights AB & Lipnets. Who are NOWHERE NEAR any p4p lists.
LOLLL, i bet you that 9 year olds beat you at chess.
Mad respect for **talking** about fighting Spence? ... And Bud...and Cotto...and Lomachenko...and Linares.
Call me cynical, but I only respect someone for who they *actually* fight.
You must REALLY RESPECT Fury, I mean he *talks* about fighting AJ $ Wilder on the same night!!!
Yeah seriously, "He left Top Rank so he could fight the best."
Umm, Zlatican, Broner & Lipnets is NOT - by any stretch of the imagination - "the best."
And for the record, I fully support Mikey -- or any boxer -- taking more control of their career. But I wont accept all the excuses "they want options" (esp when the final offer had no options) "not my network", blah blah blah. You either make the fights or you dont, and I will judge you by your actual resume.
But I am hopeful for Mikey. Stop the B-list fights (or at least alternate them w better fights), and make some A-list fights, or even B+ fights. That can take you to the HOF.
Post BALCO Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, and Diaz??? Get out of here. Also, Bummed enters the ring weighing 160. Mikey enters the ring at 145.
Also, both Mikey and Loma fought Salido. Only one of them beat Salido though.
Juan Ma, prime Salido, AB, and Lipinets>>>Postol, Indongo, Dulorme
There is absolutely no way to defend Bummed's resume and cry about Mikey's. That alone proves
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LOL, you complain that Bud fought a washed dude AND THEN cite JUAN MA's washed ass as one of Mikey's best wins. LOOOOOLLLLLL! JUAN MA, when Mikey fought him. Cmon, you cant really be this dumb.
You think Broner belongs in the HOF because he has 4 straps that he won by beating dudes who I cant even remember. His best win is Paulie.
Without a doubt :tool:
I already had him #3 p4p. Payano was a spectacular win v a solid foe, but He stays at 3.
I think y'all aren't giving him credit. No, he hasn't beaten an elite fighter (Neither did GGG, and many of y'all had him top 3). But he's beaten a bunch of solid dudes (Taguchi, Hernandez, Kono, McDonnell, Payano) across 3 divisions).
I don't know if the WBSS can get him over Lomachenko, but it can move him over Bud if he doesn't do anything. Assuming Usyk, Spence, Mikey, Canelo don't do anything great, I can see Monster at #2 if he runs through a dude like Tête.
This dude is a SUPERSTAR, it's just that us westerners don't know it.
I had it a draw. This was Canelos best performance, against a GGG who looked a little old the first half (although he looked better in the second half).
And it was only good enough for a draw. But he got the benefit in the cards, as well as the 1st fight, which GGG clearly won
And heres the thing, I know its hard to make the big fights. I accept that Showtime didnt want 2 PPVs close together, so Team Mikey decided to do the mando. I dont have any problem with the defense. Lipnets & Easter were both solid fights, Commey is a step down, but OK.
I dont even mind Mikey calling out every A list fighter from 130 to 160. I remain a Mikey fan bc he is a very good boxer (I cant call him a great boxer until he beats another great boxer - if Mikey wants the HOF he needs to step up his opposition)
But for all the d-riding fans, please stop getting all excited when he makes these call outs. Have just a little bit of cynicism. After Cotto, Bud, Linares, Loma, and now Spence, you would think folks would let just a little doubt creep in.
I like Mikey. He's got a solid resume beating up B-level fighters. 10 years in boxing and his best fights are? Siri, Broner, Lipnets, Easter...Meh. Not bad. Not great. Not HOF resume, but OK.
He just needs to stop calling out A list fighters. Next time Mikey calls out a name fighter, my eyes will roll so far back in my head I'll be able to see behind me.