Hurd is just a stronger Margarito.

So you think Freddie Roach & George Peterson are idiots is what I'm getting from this based on your implication? No, but good detectives make mistakes all the time...because someone walks on a technicality, doesn't make them any less guilty...and it doesn't make the detective an idiot, becuase he missed something. Many cold cases get solved, only after decades later, a fresh set of eyes notices something that was originally missed. You're entitled to your opinion, and unless you're talking to another hardcore margarito fan, you are in the minority.

I was never all that impressed with his power. I thought he was an accumulation guy. And I saw him slow down as he got older like almost everyone else. Sure he mighta been cheating the whole way, but it seems less likely based on all the trainers who've watched him be wrapped. well then you didn't know what you were looking at, adn that's fine. again, not goign to go crazy over something that's flying over your heads, i have a lot more time and experience in this sport than almost all of oyu. watch this fight, and watch what happens when cotto stops. watch how effortlessly margairto punches, too. those are extremely heavy ahnds. FFS look at what happens to cotto's face! then watch fight #2, keeping in mind that this is a cotto who has since gotten the tar beaten out of him by a near prime pacquiao, and how little effect that same pressure and those same shots have. i mean FFS he hardly blinks in fight 2 and this is after his chin was completely cracked! he was not the same after fight one mentally or physically, and margarito's shots hardly make him blink!

I can see what OP is saying. Hurd really is very sloppy, altho he looked better against Lara than he did against Trout. I do think Charlo beats him, and I'd probably also favor Munguia if it came to it. Still, Hurd is a fun fighter and Im glad he's around. I dont like the "this fighter has this flaw, so he sucks" mentality. Hurd may not be a HOFer, but he'll entertain us for awhile, and make some money. Salute.

Okay so like I said to the other guy you think Freddie Roach & George Peterson (among other high level trainers who went against Margarito) are retards & can't tell a loaded wrap from an unloaded wrap? several of freddie's fighters would disagree with you. and with freddie. so yes, i don't think they could at the time or that they did. what do you think? did margarito show the same power after the fight?

and margarito was very good as he beat guys like sergio and cotto although the fanbase of a certain fighter who ducked him wants to pretend he was a bum so the duck doesnt look as bad Lol margarita was a bum. He wasn’t just a bum he was a cheating bum with plaster in his gloves. He was the consummate poster boy for being a weight bully. Once he lost his plaster and couldn’t make 147 comfortably he was food on the plate.

Mosley and Cotto aren't THAT similar in styles and we all know boxing math is bs. Go listen to Doug Fischer, Steve Kim and/or Gabriel Montoya talk about it. They've talked to various cats including trainers who watched and inspected Margarito's hands in other fights and you either gotta believe they are all stupid or Margarito wasn't a serial cheater or technically a cheater at all since he didn't fight with those "loaded wraps". I know this sh^t gets people all emotional and mad, but that's the reality like it or not. But again when you do get into this sorta situation it opens you up for being a lifelong cheater as is a fair assumption to make, but that doesnt make it a fact either mind you. i'm not talking about facts, never acted like i was and in fact i made it clear that i'm "virtually certain." what i'm talking about is likelyhood and risk. think of it like a poker game. utyou don't know, but based on what you do know you bet anyway. i'm all in one this one, the guy was a cheat. he had no power when he came back! the guy was a MONSTER PUNCHER against cotto, you just couldn't stop near him. he didn't even have to work hard to bust cotto up, his hands were freak heavy. t hen they rematch and the guy walks through the shots after getting his chin broken again against pacquiao? less likely to need to cheat at all against a guy on the downside after you beat the dude in his prime coming off of a W off of him. less likely to have cheated for the first time in that situation. again, why risk that for the first time against mosley? to be the first to stop him, i guess, but surely you'd be confident after you beat down a dude 10 years younger who handled him. then you look at lujuan's ear. then you talk to rashad halloway, who had his face broken by a margarito uppercut in sparring. then you talk to cintron, who said the two fights felt like completely different punchers, then you look at the physical evidence. and on gabe montoya, etc, i used to work with those guys. dave duenez, too. particularly at the time of the event those guys really weren't much more in tune to boxing than i was. only real advantage they'd have in his case is geography, they're in southern california. they certainly are now, i have a day job and zero time to write any more.

Considering he was fighting one of the baddest mfers in the world yea that might have been the case actually. As much as you or I or anyone else wants to make Margarito a serial cheater there is no hard evidence or even strong speculation based upon reality that says that's true or even likely. That's all I'm saying. He fought an undefeated 28 year old Miguel Cotto, and an undefeated 26 year old Paul Williams, before he stepped in the ring with a 38 year old, 5x beaten Shane Mosley. Mosley was like a 5-1 underdog, nobody thought he had a chance. It defies logic that he'd wait for the Mosley fight to start cheating, but was clean fighting guys like Cotto and Williams.

Yes. It wasn`t even funny actually. Marg could lost his eye or both of them.

Margarito eating Pacquiao`s punches the whole night is the funniest boxing match I have ever seen. some of the worst reffing and worst corner work i've seen, too. lawrence cole just watched margarito get beaten blind in one eye, and all robert garcia did in the corner was call him a b#tch :lol1:

Margarito eating Pacquiao`s punches the whole night is the funniest boxing match I have ever seen.

Considering he was fighting one of the baddest mfers in the world yea that might have been the case actually. As much as you or I or anyone else wants to make Margarito a serial cheater there is no hard evidence or even strong speculation based upon reality that says that's true or even likely. That's all I'm saying. he had just destroyed cotto, who beat mosley without a ton of fuss. there's virtually no chance that it was his first time. why would you do that? "hey, this over the hill guy lost to the prime guy you just destroyed, let's load our gloves for the first time in front of one of the best trainers in the world and the athletic commission." tyhis is why i always worry that a lot of you didn't watch boxing at the time, and why i don't take seriously a lot of the talk i hear in NSB about attitudes and opinions during a certain period. mosley was looked at as being over the hill. look at what he did after margarito. look at what he had done before. the margarito victory was a mirage because margarito was a fabrication. the only remarkable thing about that fight, and it was remarkable because margarito had the best chin at WW i have ever seen on a contemporary fighter, was the knockout. and even then, the guy had just been busted red handed and could have been looking at the end of his career, you can't expect him to be there mentally for the fight. he looked completely out of it.

There is actually no proof he ever did cheat if we are being technical about it. He got caught BEFORE his fight with Mosley. He was never caught after a fight & I've heard pundits talk about this with various uses of evidence & opinions of others who've been in the ring with him & the consensus is usually leaning towards he got a bad rep. Although obviously thats the thing when you get caught cheating, with sh^t like Margarito got got with or with PEDs, is that you can't put a date on when it started or if this was the first time. So he waited until his 44th fight, and out of the blue decided to put plaster in his gloves? Got it.

LOL, but yea I can see that. I'm not one thinking Hurd is THAT bad ass a dude & I think Charlo beats him by just keeping punches in his face all night. As long as Charlo doesn't run outta gas I think its his fight. I don't have an opinion on that potential match up just yet of Hurd vs. Charlo I haven't really thought about it. Probably because I like both fighters, but..... I'll reserve my prediction and judgement on that potential fight later.

Surprised to see so many people defending Margarito a known cheater that should have been banned from the sport. We don't know how good he was because he could have been cheating all along. Hurd by DQ. I think most people are going by what they saw, obviously the career is tainted, but you can only make this comparison by what we saw, and in fairness based on that eye test and the accomplishments, you have to say that Margarito was a beast. For what it's worth, I do think he cheated against Cotto, and god knows who else. His punches had an effortless, thudding power to them, and after he got caught they didn't.

Surprised to see so many people defending Margarito a known cheater that should have been banned from the sport. We don't know how good he was because he could have been cheating all along. Hurd by DQ.

While there may be some similarities, Margarito was a better all around fighter. Fought much better opposition as well.

Is it only me that think Margarito has better technique

I'm done doubting Hurd. He is probably better than Margarito. Margarito has more variety in his attack. He went up and down a lot more and he threw a range of wide shots, but Hurd is way more athletic. Its not even close. Hurd could still get better with his technique whereas Margarito hit his ceiling early on. Margarito had the better career. That doesnt mean Hurd wont keep winning. He is massive and I wont be surprised at all if he walks through Charlos best shots and stops him too.

He doesnt walk through shots like margarito He does retreat momentarily when you catch him hes a coward. not a fan anymore cause of his blatant cowardice

Exactly when Lara hit Hurd a few times with those left hooks Hurd definitely eased off a little bit. Hurd also stopped throwing power punches in the middle rounds because Lara was countering him pretty hard early. I think if Lara was his size and had more punching power he would have stopped him. Lara would have beaten Jermell that night though so it’s why I think him and Hurd are a 50/50 fight.Lara and Hurd both weighed the same 168 pounds on fight night so Lara is the same size only shorter. We have weight classes in boxing, not height and reach classes. If you go by height then Tyson was a 5 foot 11 inch tall middleweight. Lara is a master boxer who hits plenty hard and Hurd still beat him. Now you say if Lara hit harder he would have won. If Lara hit harder he might also have beat Canelo but if he hit harder he wouldn't really be Lara would he now? Hell let's give Hurd a better defense if you are going to give Lara more punching power.