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Ali for example beat the past generation(Liston) and present present(Foreman, Frazier) but lost to the future generation(Holmes). Tyson only beat the past generation. Lewis beat the present and future gens but not the past gen. Floyd comes to mind as someone who dominated across 3 generations. Who else?

Beterbiev was honest to a fault. Didn’t shy away from criticising himself. Despite knowing that the result may already be controversial. Bivol did not make a single excuse. Not even a statement disguised as an excuse. Even though it was obvious he was hurt from the decision. 2 top warriors.

Joyce Usyk Miller Hrgovic AJ Thats quite the resume at age 27. He really does take on all comers and has an exciting fighting style. Probably the most exciting fighter in the division right now after his win against AJ.

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Cliff notes: - Says Usyk fight was easy. Felt like he was in there with a local amateur boxer. - Only gave him rounds 8,9 and 10. - Got clipped because he was having too much fun. - Feels that he’s under pressure to knock Usyk out in the rematch because judges won’t side with him anyway.

With how bad Wilder has looked recently, this fight might actually be competitive. Wouldn’t mind seeing it if Wilder wants to have one last go.

After 5 years the top guys will have the following age: Wilder 43 Usyk 42 Tyson Fury 40 AJ 39 Andy Ruiz 39 Joseph Parker 37 Kabayel 36 Hrgovic 36 Jared Anderson 29 Right now we’re in the epilogue of the current HW era. The top half of the above list would have pretty much retired by that point. Who would do you think would be the top guy at time?

So guys like Ali, Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson and Holyfield all used to weigh anywhere from 205-225 lbs generally. But guys like Lennox, Bowe, Klitschkos and more recently Fury and AJ all generally weigh 240+ and the general trend I had seen recently was that you need to be a super heavyweight(240+) to be a dominant champion at heavyweight from now on. But I suppose Usyk has now proved that's not necessarily true.

There was a point in the fight where it started to feel like Fury might just be too big for Usyk and this was a test too far for him. Usyk looked frustrated even at times and was missing shots. But he kept grinding and kept up the pace and even had the bigger man out on his feet at one point. What a fighter, what a man.

Who wins?

Who was the greatest pro boxer ever before they turned 20? Whatever they achieved after turning 20 is irrelevant in the context of this thread. Who had had the greatest pro run before they turned 20?

Parker’s only 28yrs old. He’s already been a champion and shared the ring with likes of Joshua, Whyte and Ruiz Jr. The fight against Ruiz was closely contested. The loss against whyte was controversial due to the headbutt and Parker arguably came out looking better. And the fight against Joshua left a lot more to be desired. Assuming Parker has 10-12 more years left at the top, how much farther can he achieve? Can he become a champion again? Or perhaps even a unified champ? How do you see the following fights going: Rematch vs Joshua. Rematch vs Whyte. Vs Wilder. Vs Fury. Vs Povetkin. Vs Joe Joyce. Vs Usyk. Vs Luis Ortiz.

At the moment i can see 5 pools in boxing where you can get a range of interesting matchup within these groups. Rank the following pools in terms of the best competition and the most interesting matchups. Heavies: AJ, Fury, Wilder, Usyk, Ruiz, Whyte, Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin. Middleweights: Canelo, GGG, Saunders, Benavidez, Callum, Caleb, Charlos, Andrade. Welterwight: Spence, Crawford, Pacman, Thurman, Danny G, Porter, Mikey. Lightweight: Teofimo, Loma, Tank, Ryan G, Devin haney, campbell. Bantams: Inoue, Donaire, Estrada, Rungvisai, Chocalatito. You can add other guys like beterbiev and Bivol to he pool closest to them such as middleweight in this case.

Joshua vs Fury is the biggest fight in British boxing history. It is arguably the biggest heavyweight fight of the last 20 years at-least. Would an undefeated Joshua vs undefeated Wilder have been a bigger fight? Wilder vs Joshua had the undefeated american vs undefeated british champion narrative behind it. Both fighters were known for their knockouts and power based styles. And the fanbase was pretty hot for it before Andy Ruiz and Fury derailed the hype train.

In order, what are Wladimir Klitschko’s top 3 wins?

In terms of starpower, fame, recognizability and influence, who are the 5 biggest names in the history of boxing? Ali and Tyson are given. But who else?

What fighters can go 12 rounds with Wilder without getting Koed? Win or lose. Tyson fury is one. Anthony Joshua? Joseph Parker? Andy Ruiz?

Who’s the 4th best heavyweight in your opinion? Dillian? Ortiz? Parker? Usyk when he moves up?

Klitschko that fought Joshua vs Parker that fought Joshua. Who wins?

I'm talking about star power and influence. As long as I've been alive, Ali and Tyson have stood head and shoulders above other boxers in terms of being pop culture icons. There have been many other boxers who were equally as skilled and big stars in their own right from the previous eras compared to Ali/Tyson. But Ali and Tyson were household names everywhere in the world. Floyd has been part of two of the biggest fights in boxing history and regardless of your opinion of those fights or Floyd in general, is it fair to say he's reached that pop culture status of Ali and Tyson?