But that's the whole point of p4p discussions, without weight being an issue, who wins based on talent, skill, speed, power etc. It's not about condensing anyone into other weights or making them bigger, it's simply weight NOT BEING AN ISSUE. That's the whole reason why the term p4p came about, the question that was being answered was: can Ray Robinson, with his skill, power, speed, ring IQ etc beat any fighter on the planet if weight wasn't an issue?
Since then, the tradition has carried on and the only way we can have a fantasy fight between SRL and RJJ is if we are talking about both men in a p4p sense. A prime SRL never fought above 154, a prime RJJ never fought below 168 (imo the version that beat Bhop was not prime). So even in terms of "Fantasy" fights, this just wouldn't work when you bring in the term prime, because both men were primed at vastly different weights.
I understand that, but I'm just saying there's a flaw in that logic.
Roy Jones at his weight was the fastest, one of the strongest, had crazy pop, reflexes were off the charts, and was virtually unhittable.
Give him those same attributes, but at the same weight as Sugar Ray? I'd still lean towards RJJ.
I just told you why Pac. Floyd pays those other guys peanuts. When you are use to paying guys peanuts, you arent too keen on giving a guy 40mil unless you are also getting something out of it. Floyd might not end up making as much as he thinks he should make after he has to pay Pac a big share so he probably wants something out of it.
I dont see the huge problem from Pac fans. Arum is horrible and Pac is not getting all his money. I honestly believe that Floyd would do business with Pac and have Pac seeing more money than with Arum. Floyd wont screw over Pac. He will see Pac as a cash cow that could put MP over the top. He'll try to make mega events and give Pac his due.
what? the money's getting made on both sides. pac and arum get their cut. floyd and gbp get their own cut.
i don't think you floyd fans even remotely understand the situation at hand. if you're pac, you don't go in with no leverage at all, and get hog tied by gbp and floyd. that's as dumb as you possibly can get. manny stands to make much more if he's with tr and arum, than if he went in there as a gbp/tmt fighter.
floyd fans are coming a completely floyd centric view on this. you dont negotiate with your chief rival and sign to their side. youd be begging to bent over backwards, and regret doing it.
I'm also just wondering. If you need wank material, I'm sure someone can Photoshop some fake hats on these guys.
A lot of people on boxingscene are friendly and helpful if you are straight with them.
no photoshops. i want real pics. can you find me any?
he's not going in as a GBP or TMT fighter. He's going there as an Independant. Him signing is part of the deal, its not before the deal. Pac isnt dumb. Its all together. Its not like he signs and then they try to make the fight. No, the signing is part of making it. They will make a deal that is good for both sides and they will also make a deal that is assured to give Pac more money than he would receive with Arum or else why would Pac do it
you're stating random things that aren't even true. you just want it to sound good for manny. stop being naive to the game. pac is not making more money without arum than with arum. it was floyds demands that have him pondering leaving.
why would manny do it? i dont know. maybe because floyd DEMANDED he leave arum or else the fight doesnt get made. mind you this demand was only recently. makes you wonder if hes keen on making this fight happen at all? i wouldnt trust him if i was manny.
apples & oragnes. Floyd is the highest paid guy in the sport and would have to share alot of that with Pac. No differnt then Oscar making Hopkins sign with him
why only pac? why only pac? why only pac?
and i'm sure oscar was well aware that hopkins was gonna beat him. knowing youre gonna lose might as well get every penny you can out of the situation.
and i'm sure they hopkins was more keen on singing so he can have a career after boxing. i dont know why, but it doesn't feel like floyd would give manny a prominent role on the money team. call me crazy.
if floyd fights pac in 2015. His constant ducking has worked out. You get the highly anticipated match that everyone's been waiting for, except Manny will be that much older, and that much more beaten up.
good job Floyd. It worked.
and lets not even bring the politics into this. manny would have to be the dumbest man on the planet to sign with the rival promotion, while signing to fight the rival fighter. i guess people want to see them in a giant ring, 10 oz. gloes, no room to negotiate if floyd comes in overweight, fight must happen at 154, judges will be on floyds side. must get a ko to win. dont be so dumb.