joan likes a mini zab............gets all the breaks...........despite all the ****ups....
Wiki said Berto has 5' 6'' (168cm) and Boxrec said 5' 8.5'' (174 cm)... I think if Berto has 5' 8.5'' with that musculature, he are not be a Welter, so i think he is smaller. Guzman have 5' 7'', but really look 5'6.5'' because his style. So i think both figther are very very Strong fisically and has similar size and hand speed. The power department is for Berto by a wide advantage but Guzman has Better boxing, skill and mobility. I see a figth very entertained with a lot pounches also a Guzman trying to use his defensive skills for make look silly to Berto but maybe that not work so like the pass because Berto has a lot of hand speed.
My conclusion: If Guzman can take Berto pounch and also keep freesh stamina i see hin win a no problem UD. But if he look tired after 6 o 7, i can see a late KO for Beto win.
Berto tean not accepto this fight
I really not believe Berto Team like this Match, because they have not much to earn but have a lot to lose. Also, HBO not want Guzman. So forget this tread this fight not happen on this year.
Guzman is an easy fight for Clottey,Cotto,Collazo,Judah,Berto,Mosley and a joke for Pac and Mayweather.
Well, I'm sure some of those fighters can beat Guzman, especially at 147 ... but I can only laugh by saying it would be easy fights for them.
Hope Guzman comes in overweight so the title is off the line (serves him right for coming in so heavy all the time) then I hope Berto loses to the overweight Guzman for picking easy fights.
That way Guzman gets no belt and his reputation is tarnished again and Berto loses a belt. :D
Guzman is not a easy fights for any boxer betwen 135 and 147... Berto could win but never will be in a easy fight... Guzman habilities are in superior cat., he only lose again Berto because his power is not there anymore. Also, Berto not win this match by Decision, only by KO.
They would be easy fights for all those guys mentioned Guzman does not belong above 140 and his only good win thats not tainted is against an solid but not special guy in Humberto Soto at 130 pounds. Those ww fighters would beat him around the ring worse then Funeka did in their first fight.
Certainly, if these guys can beat Guzman is by weight, not by the skills ... If guzman not beat the best in the 130 and 135, was because they would not fight him, and his weight problem in the fight against Campbell. I can mention to specific cases in which Pacquiao and Marquez, clearly fled fighting Guzman, at a time when the Dominican was champion (130) and these were not. And I repeat, these WW can beat Guzman, but continued thinking it would be too easy. It is possible that if you do Maywheather fairly easily, including Mosley. But others would have to sweat, including the Filipino.
^^^ this guy has got to be kidding!!! Guzman (30-0 17ko's) no power whatsoever, is gonna knock out the two best featherweights??!!!!! You have got to be kidding me, half of juanma's resume and half of gamboas resume looks better than guzman's entire resume....
i am sure you know hothing about guzman on 122-126, that boy on those weigth was a force who all holy cow evade (pacquiao, marquez, barreras, morales)... He can punch with a lot of power (13 ko with 5 decision, under 126). I think with lopez could be a good figth with a ud for guzman, but agains gamboa, ha,ha,ha,ha, that could be a massacre. Guzman was too big for hin on those weigth, with much more agility and intelligence.
The reality is that this fight is canceled by money problems between Golden Boy and the local promoter.
Here the source:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5685863
• The comeback fight of former junior featherweight and junior lightweight titlist Joan Guzman (30-0-1, 17 KOs), who planned to return as a junior welterweight after well-documented problems making lightweight, is off. Guzman was supposed to face Chris Fernandez on a Telefutura card Nov. 5 in New York. However, Golden Boy pulled the plug on the show because the investor it had lined up to bankroll the show didn't come up with the money by the deadline. Instead, Golden Boy said it is moving the show to Puerto Rico, where junior welterweight Jose Cotto is slated to headline.
Hopefully by that time it is filed in good shape and that the rival is anything that is among the best of any of the major classifications. Guzman needs to come back against the best opponents he can find and be in good shape, and only after a victory, of course, would help his own cause in order to gain the confidence of the major TV networks and fans who even accuse him of inconsistency in the enforcement of the rules of weight.
In 126, the best Guzman, would be too much for Gamboa ... Much bigger, much better movement, the quicker feet, just as fast and powerful hands, but more importantly much more complete and intelligent.
Security would be a war in the early rounds until Gamboa is tired of missing his shots and then would come the knockout for Guzman.
Great or Boring Figth
Yes, but Marquez not have the power and fast than Soto have... in fact, Soto, will have his chace to broke Marquez... I think.
Guzman can make look ridiculous to any boxer, just as it did with Soto.
This fight could be great, only if Marquez manages to cut defense Guzman. If he can not do that, then will lost 116-112 or maybe worse.
In the end, Marquez won only with a good fight and could do so by KO or Decision. And Guzman, only wins by decision, but can do so much in a fight that would be easy and boring.
guzman style give marquez hell
Between 126 and 135 pounds, there would be ways in which Marquez managed to hit two or three consecutive hits to Guzman. On the other hand, would receive a barrage of punches that put you though maybe not KO, especially at 130 and 135 would mark the points you easily defeat them. In those days, Marquez was more vulnerable than now, and Guzman was faster and powerful.
Now 140 and with the discipline of Guzman in doubt and less rapid and powerful than before, while Marquez maintains its strength and resilience, which are the real weapons against an opponent that exceeds the skills and techniques, I think Marquez could beat Guzman by KO at the end of the fight. However, with fighters such as Guzman taletsos, no victory is impossible.
So i think Guzman on 130 could be a dominance beating to all "creme le creme" of taht weght for thoso years. I cant see to JMM taking a win from Guzman "No Way" at 130 and Guzman on his prime. Also Pac could be a victim by UD, because on those days Pac was a Boxer a lot more vulnerable then today. His defence was a lot open and also in attack he expose much more than today.
Guzman by wide UD.
all i know is that guzman loss to funeka. this russian kid is a killer. has some real dynamite in his fists. little tyson(yea right!) better be ready, or it's lights out.
A very wet dinamite with a 41% KO ratio...
Awesome. I was hoping Allakhverdiev would get a major oppertunity like this just didn't expect it so soon. Little Tyson? Isn't Guzman a pseudo slickster more than a banger or am i thinking of the wrong guy? Why has Guzman been so inactive the last several years?
Guzman has been so inactive because boxers top of each category in which he has fought, have been reused to fight him ... Ask the managers Valero (RIP), Pacquiao, Marquez JM, Khan, Etc. ..
Well, I don't know about this although I want to agree. I think that Funeka is all wrong for Guzman for a lot of reasons.
However, I think Guzman's first mistake against Funeka was his new found aggression. I think Guzman wanted to shut some of his critics up about him being a boring fighter. He wanted to come out strong. The reason I say this is because anyone who has followed Guzman's career knows that he's a good slick fighter and a very good counter puncher but he didn't follow that plan with Funeka and that got him in a load of trouble.
I believe that if he fights his fight against Funeka he can win by decision. Funeka's punches (even though he has reach and height advantage) can be seen a mile away at times giving Guzman enough time to avoid his power. He cannot try that bs he tried the first time against Funeka like if he was a puncher and not a boxer.
So, if he takes the fight it should be fought on his terms and I believe without a doubt it will be a total different outcome.
I am 110% agree with you...
Funeka is a great fiscal boxer, just like DLH was on his early years. But Funeka, has a much more advantage because his weight. Also, his fisical condition bring to hin some problems, if Guzman or any slick boxer make the in-out, his movement have not answers for that. Guzman work very well on the firts 2 or 3 round, but on 3 Funeka broke his nose and on 4 receive a head impact what produce a very big cut who made the rest of figth a show of blood... ANY BOXER CAN WIN IN THAT SCENARIO.
I see Guzman pass clearly over Funeka, if he come on shape and make a good plan for this giant. Many people are confused with Funeka, he is another Fisical advantaje figther, with proor Box skills. A very good figther who can Box with speed and skills, can Broke the South African.
I agree, this is high-risk fight to take. But I believe they SHOULD have confidence in him, he is extremely talented.... And you're right, this maybe a fight he didn't have to take at this point. BUT, I like this fight for Khabib, career wise; due to the simple fact that a win over a quality opponent like Guzman will give Khabib just the recognition he needs; fan wise, he'll get some fans outside of Russia.....and ranking wise, he will shoot up in all of rankings and have the opportunity to make a big fight. Just look at the people in this thread, hardly anyone on the first page know who he is.........a win over a guy like Guzman would give him INSTANT respect and recognition. If he fights a guy like this so early in his career, and WINS.....then there's no denying him. None of the top guys could say "make a name for yourself first" or "fight a quality opponent," etc. Far too many times, really really good fighters get ignored because the majority of fight fans simply "don't know" who they are. A fight like this would erase any of those doubts.
I personally, like to see fighters go this route, instead of the Canelo route, for example. No hate to Alvarez, but he hasn't exactly fought the riskiest of fights thus far.
Certainly Khabib, has looked spectacular in his last fights ... but put it against a veteran like Guzman is an unnecessary risk at this point in his career ... But I must say that would have a chance to beat a man with 36 years. His left-handed guard might help a lot, however, I think that despite its limitations today at Guzman tank still has to beat Khabib, whenever there is at its best, and achieve rid of the right jab of Khabib.
I'm mostly hoping for Guzman to win the fight, but at the same time I kind of feel a little sympathy for Funeka because of how unlucky he's been lately.
It should be a better fight than the first one.
Saddly, agains all your expectations this second figth will not be better than first figth, just because Guzman is gonna work with a lot more carefull and Funeka will miss a lot more punches... Guys, Guzman already probed he can handle Funeka in the first figth, before the Head crash. I really think at this time he will gonna show up his class over Funeka freak. For this time his shape will be better, his ring will be better (in the first fight looked very rusty, even during the first three rounds), even his mentality will be a lot better with the weigth issue under control and got a lot more training round.
Those who like Guzman style will gone to enjoy this second figth... sorry for those who not like that.
There's a thread somewhere in the lounge where you will get 5k e pointsif you have under 5k.
Yes Guzman is coming better in shape, but Funeka is just a damn freak for that weight.
Funeka isn't gonna be easy to beat at all.
guzman already demonstrated in the first fight that he can manage to Funeka ... the only thing that changed the fate of that fight was his lack of mobility, the product of 11 months (actually 25 months because Ameth Diaz, was not a challenge for Guzman) that Guzman had no fight. This lack of movement and also, neglect, made it impossible to create a good defense for the right hand he broke his nose. And then in the fourth round, he received the head butts caused the right eye went blind that set the stage for Funeka land his left jab at will.
Guzman is not a fighter power, and if he could not get in the ring with his usual agility and awareness of the ring, always will be exposed against a good opponent, which is not faced since 2007.
Funeka is the most difficult opponent for any 135-140 pounds, but in the first fight showed that he lacked punch and instinct to finish with a very wounded Guzman since the 8th round. Also, it is heavily weighted to throw his punches allowing Guzman to anticipate and therefore avoided using the hands (before the head butt), without using the shoulders or body ... Friends, that's too much! Believe it, I'm sure that what I've seen, it also saw Guzman's team and this time it exploded.
Naturally, the above do not think that will be an easy fight, or that Guzman will win easy ... Funeka is strong and will spend the entire fight looking to Guzman and if found will hurt him. But this time it will be harder hitting and so I think Guzman will win, by close UD.
Are you so still sucking his culo and you fail to realize that Guzman was NINE, NUEVE, 9 LBS over the weight limit... You stupid idiot.
Hey Genius!... A lot people say that Guzman won because he was 9 pounds of lead in the fight. The truth is that Guzman lost the first fight by head crash provoked Funeka (with intention or not) and if you do not believe, watch that fight again and see how the African Left Jab is lost in the defense of guzman and after the clash of heads starts to come easily. You clarify that for fight night that first fight Funeka weighed 152 pounds and guzman 147. As for the second bout guzman weight was 148 against 147 of Funeka. Simple math says that the second fight was more fair than the first, because in addition to the difference in height. Funeka was also heavier than 5 pounds Guzman and everyone who knows boxing gym, you can see the importance of weight fight night and not 36 hours earlier.
Seriously..Every time Guzman messes up..one or two Dominicans come in here and says.."He is so talented", "If", "Suppose","maybe", ...Talent is measured against other good or great fighters WHO ACTUALLY FIGHT!
Is impossible to do that, when the best prefer dodge ... literally, Pacquiao signed a contract to fight Guzman in 2007, then escaped with a clause that allowed it and easily beat Barrera in the second fight. JM Marquez, declined twice to fight Guzman, the last time was when he fell the fight against Barrios and his team, declined to Guzman as a subsitute. Barreras, never wanna face Guzman at 126, Scott Harrison (Well, that story is well known). Even with all these running. He has faced very good fighters such as, Jauregui, Barrios, Sanchez and Terdsak Kokietgym (who all were afraid at that time)
Dude, you can say what you want about Guzman and you may be right, but this is not true. Joan Guzman always sought out the best in his weight but for some reason (Guzman's style), they have always avoided.
Well, if that's the case then Guzman is being used because I think that Khan will give him a ton of problems. Khan's height, reach, and speed will give him a lot of problems. If Guzman was at his prime then this would be a good fight but I don't really know where Guzman is at this point.
Guzman at his prime would be a very big "NO WAY" for King Khan... Now on 140, is a very hard prediction.... but, as seen in his second fight against Funeka, who is much taller than Khan, I think he would have clear opportunities if it can override the speed of Khan Jab, which we know is not the best but Roarch could prepare for that fight.
To JMM, Guzman act different from that faced by Soto or Funeka1-2, I assure you it would seem more to Floyd, when he faced Marquez, allowing the Mexican to take the initiative but with the difference that Guzman would use his superior footwork to escape and attack more quickly than it could do Floyd. While Floyd beat Marquez on counter hit, Guzman can not so, but try to do it using their greater speed for in and out, all the time, and stand very little ... Marquez does not like fighters fleeing because he has no foot speed to find them and so we never see that fight.
I believe with a good preparation in 140, Guzman can beat anyone ... In Guzman VS Funeka 2, he weighed 144, but it was very fast and also some power (some will say that the weight difference, I think not)
Marquez vs Guzman
This is what I hate about boxing: meaningless PPV fights. What fan was beating the door down for Diaz-Marquez? I don't even think the die hard Mexican fan is salivating at this matchup again. Been there, done that. HBO, hello??!!
How much common sense does it take to figure out that out of the four fighters on the card (joan guzman, juan marquez, joel casamayor, juan diaz) the fight to be made is joan guzman vs. juan marquez at 135 (or catchweight)?
Diaz and Casamayor could have battled it out on the undercard of Guzman-Marquez.
I'm not sure Guzman-Marquez is appealing enough for me to shell out 40 bucks, but at least I'd think about it.
Marquez-Diaz 2 is a waste of time, bandwidth and ring space.
Agree with you men... that's the fight that really makes sense ... Unfortunately Marquez team has already rejected in at least two occasions we, being the last time early last year (2009). However, I believe the GBP is preparing with this presentation and if both win their commitments, we must prepare for that war. Recall that since the end of 2009, Guzman belongs to GBP so both are now the same team.
seems that on this occasion Guzman's team will make a serious attempt to claim it. Cayo is a complicated fight, mostly due to the difference in height (4 inches for Cayo). However, if the new strength of Guzman is real (has 2 KO early in his last two fights), it would be possible to soften Cayoin the first half and then dominated in the second half the match, provided they are not tired and display his defensive skills he has shown in his career. HOWEVER, even beating Cayo, how to do this would be a true test of their ability against the best of that weight. So we would see what Guzman has yet to manage to the best 140 today.
He is good.
The problem though is I'm not so sure if he is still as good as he once was.
If you look at his last two fights, he didn't seem quite as fast or didn't quite have the cat-like reflexes that he did against Soto and Barrios.
On the other-hand, that could have to do with the simple fact Funeka is a beast, is absolutely HUGE for the division he's in and stylistically, is a very, very bad opponent for Guzman.
100% Agree... on the second part, Funeka is a bad opponent for anybody in 135 and 140, not only for Guzman....
The real question is, who's gonna give him the opportunity?
That was the problem of Guzman, throughout his career ... Precisely for lack of a large public tracker. The top of each division to which he belonged would flee because his style and skills will represent too much risk for a gain that could not be very lucrative.