Ahh this thread is going exactly as i expected *Manny Steward Voice*
We have seen the best of victor ortiz..will lose again shortly after he comes back
We have seen the best of andre berto
guerrero (is he fighting thurman?) will give thurman a tough fight in a losing effort
Holyfield won in the first fight with Lewis...
sykeee
You basically have to be miguel cotto with better boxing ability in the center of the ring.
effective pressure/fast snapping jab and movement in the center of the ring
i say both because you need to change your looks on mayweather.
A lot of people are bringing up castillo but in the immediate rematch he got thoroughly outboxed and did the exact same thing as the first fight.
But what really needs to be looked at presently with mayweather is that he is fighting in a different mode now with his FATHER. Floyd is using footwork and using more pure boxing now.
its gonna be hard for anybody to beat him with his combination of ability and style
Winky is a good pick stylistically. he fights tall behind a jab and his high guard and long arms make it hard to be hit cleanly. especially by single shots. stylistic nightmare for floyd. I wouldn't pick against him but i dunno how he wins.
paul williams is corrales pt. 2. basically the opposite of winky. doesn't fight tall, low guard. only thing he has is the high volume punching which i think gets neutralized by floyds movement (especially as of late). Leaping left hooks and straight rights to a UD for floyd
Apparently you know nothing of the man. Look at the possessions he flaunts. I'm all for him living the "money" lifestyle but he cannot sustain this kind of spending after he retires. I think he's smart enough to have a plan though.
The only thing i know is that i don't know how much money he has or has spent. neither do you.
lol@ some of the posts. Thats right, canelo does love his shoes haha. Well i think the reason i brought it up because i feel like some people think that canelo being the "bigger" fighter is giving him more of an advantage than people may think. What i mean is that canelo has less of the physical advantages of a de la hoya, where de la hoya was bigger,taller, longer reach, etc.
de la hoya was also having success early on with that jab, which i think was largely due to his size advantage (he always had a good jab i know) and even so mayweather took it away (plus he faded).
I just find the dynamic intriguing and I'm interested to see what canelo's gameplan will be come fight night. With Trout i think people were surprised with how he fought. He varied his attack, and even though not completely polished yet he showed some skill set that many didn't think he had (myself personally). General consensus was that he would have a come forward seek and destroy type approach
He still gets hit, and he fights only half the rounds and he'll be in there with the best. He gets better every fight though so we'll see where his learning curve is at 3 weeks from now
As far as canelo i really don't see 152 being a problem
as far as floyd, i don't necessarily see it as a problem but something of note that everybody knows is that is more lackluster performances (performances where he looked vulnerable) have been at the higher weights.
when he fought de la hoya he weighed in at 150
when he fought cotto he was 151
he'll fight canelo at 152
nothing more to say but to wait and see how the flight plays out
I don't think people understand what negotiations mean and then blame it on floyd.
the MANAGMENT of the fighters negotiate contracts
i DO believe they mentioned a rehydration clause
If i go to to buy a car my first offer is always a low ball! why? because i wanted to see how much the dealer is willing to come down. Do i think he is going to take it? NO way, but that way we work to a middle ground that ultimately we both feel are fair. If not, then i walk
the same concept can be used with any fight. Money the cash cow, the undefeated champion, the A-side of the ppv. Why do you act like he has to appease the demands of canelo.
If 152 is the contract signed then it was signed with both mayweather/canelo's team agreeing it was a fair deal. In canelo's case he had more incentive to walk than ANY other fighter because 1. he's young 2. he is a rising star. 3. as long as he keeps winning that fight is there in the future
Mayweather is not going to be like "Oh you want me to come to 154? no problem" "You want the ring 6x6? Sure" "I can only use my left hand? Ok sure, after all i am the best"
that's not how it works
With that said all of this is just more hype for the fight. Soon we'll be able to see for ourselves how it all plays out
A few thoughts:
- Cotto moved to 154 after coming down to 145 against pacquiao. He was 28 years old at the time. He has fought at 154 ever since.
-Canelo is barely 22 years old.
^ i guess what i'm concluding here is that making a battle worn cotto fight at a catchweight is way worse than making a much younger opponent shed 2 pounds
-When going on record saying you are willing to fight at a catchweight one should assume that the party is confident in making the weight.
-If I was a PROFESSIONAL boxer, i would have my management secure the best deal possible in MY favor as it is a business.
^ Just like ellerbe said, if that what the case is. The Canelo camp had already entertained the idea of a catchweight, therefore putting the ball in mayweather's court.
Now whether or not a catchweight would of even been discussed if Canelo's camp had mentioned it in the first place is another question.
I'm also thinking that if Canelo's team has discovered that canelo is gonna struggle to get to 152 in this case the logical decision would be to take the penalty and come in at a comfortable 154 or even 153 and some change as he has done multiple times. Its a scenario where the long term reward for winning exponentially outweighs the penalty for coming in a pound or so over in a career defining fight.