Would Paul Williams/Trinidad have beaten Floyd?

wiith that power definitely tito vs floyd is a 50-50 fight Power isn’t the only advantage Trinidad has. Look at his Whitaker fight. Tito can connect his power to a slick fighter. That very troubling for Floyd. Even worse for Floyd Tito takes away Floyd #1 advantage...his conditioning. Floyd’s conditions is second to none. Tito was his only equal. Tito would not have faded at the end. Floyd would have to sheathed the onslaught for all twelve. Case In point, Floyd vs Cotto. It was neck and neck through 8. Cotto laid hands on Floyd in rounds 7-8. After Cotto blew his load Floyd as per usual pulls ahead. Tito would have chased Floyd down to bitter end and with his long arms would have connected plenty. Never breaking a sweat. It would have been a fight to see. Not saying Trinidad would have won but it would have been bloody hell for Floyd. Literally.

Absolutely. Both of those guys. Paul Williams sure just based on his dimensions with the right game plan. Think Floyd ain't know that, it's a reason he ducked out of the ww division when pw was peaking, and Trinidad was undefeated at ww.

Problem with these situations is guys very rarely line up with age,skills, and weight. Like Oscar vs Tito. That was a very fair fight. Issue with Floyd is he didn't really fill out to a WW until he was about 30. Putting him against a SWW like Winkey is either Winkey would have been to old or Floyd would have been to small. Someone is always at a dis advantage. No one is gonna out box Floyd so you size is the key. And a great jab. He doesn't even bother to block jabs he wants to counter you and a jab can't hurt him.

Nope. Highly unlikely.

Before golovkin there was still pirog that people wanted Martinez to fight, there was always a challenge. Between 140-154 there is no one that can challenge floyd. I like floyd, I'm just sick of staying up untill 5.30 am to watch him toy with people who don't deserve to be in the ring with him. I thought maybe he'd slipped just enough so that canelo could win a few rounds off him. He hasn't, he's still a marvel in the ring. If he is only going to fight 4 more times, I don't want a talent like his wasted people who 'couldn't carry his jock strap'. It's like I lose a bit of respect for froch for not taking a fight with cleverly when he still had his title. He'd proved himself the no.2 in the division and had no intention of fighting ward, so why not move up and challenge yourself against a younger bigger opponent and win a title in a new division. Instead we get treated to him fighting George groves.

I think a prime Oscar, who's best weight was 147, could push floyd all the way. He was competitive with floyd when he was more interested in coke and fishnets, so I believe a younger, hungrier Oscar could have beat him. I think a prime cotto would have been very competitive with floyd. Before the margarito beat down, Miguel was a beast on a great run tearing through the top 10. Beating foreman, a past it mayorga and a past it one eyed margarito did nothing to prove he had recovered from the pacqiaou mauling. Still he was able to land on floyd and was as competitive as anyone has been with him (Castillo 1 not included). Forest had the combination of speed, pop, range and most importantly IQ to trouble any welterweight, floyd included. I think he would have had the best shot of taking the 0 from the recent memory 147 fighters.

Styles make fights and Ricky Hatton was vastly inferior to Margarito both in size and style. For starters Hatton rushes in without punching his way in against Floyd and he had shorter arms than Margarito. Secondly, Hatton was too small to bully Floyd to the ropes or bully him in the clinch. Lastly, Hatton had a ton of respect for Mayweather's skill that Margarito simply wouldn't have. Mayweather fans can say "Floyd by easy UD" all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that Mayweather avoided a fight with this guy in the real world. Yeah, he had a better offer with Baldomir for the same amount of money and a lineal title, but he also had a much easier fight with Baldy than he would've had with Margs. It's the one fight aside from the Pacquiao fight that definitely would've presented Floyd with a multitude of problems. I'm not saying that Floyd loses (I'd favor him to win a decision), but he would've been way more tested against Margarito than he has been against all of these no-hopers like Ortiz, Guerrero, and Canelo combined that Floyd fans seem so interested in hyping up the legitimacy of. Agree? Disagree? Whatever. That's my opinion and I'm not about to change it just because you have a problem with it. I will point out that I noticed that you didn't mention my nomination of Forrest and Wright as potential Mayweather beaters too, though. Margarito got dominated and ko`ed by a Mosley who was slower and less skilled then Floyd,but yet you think Margarito would have given Floyd problems?Cotto whose slower then Floyd,who followed Mosley blue print in the rematch of his fight with Margarito,and beat Margarito easily in the rematch,but yet you think Margarito would have given Floyd problems?Joshua Clottey who was beating Margarito easily till he hurt his hands and is nowhere as good as Floyd,but yet you think Margarito would have given Floyd problems?Diego Corrales who had a similar style to Margarito,whose a lot faster then Margarito,hit a lot harder then Margarito,who throws shorter punches as oppose to Margarito wide punches,got schooled by Floyd,but yet you think Margarito-whose a lot slower then Diego Corrales-would have given Floyd problems?Either you are a fool or your just trying to make Floyd look bad or both. Floyd didn`t fight Margarito because Arum refused to guarantee him 10 mil for a Cotto fight,10 mil for a Hatton fight,And he told Floyd that he didn`t want to do a Dela Hoya fight.So Floyd said the hell with Margarito,the hell with Arum,bought out his contract with Arum,went and fought fighters who were ranked above Margarito at welterweight,then jump to Junior Middleweight to fight Oscar who was WBC champion,ranked number 1 at junior middleweight and was coming off of a win over Ricardo Mayorga.While Margarito did not have any big wins ad only had that people title the WBO,and went on to lose to Paul Williams.

I concur with this post. It's (going to middleweight) not a matter of "wanting Floyd to lose" like some of his more delusional fans seem to think, it's a matter of wanting him to see history and to see Floyd test his incredible natural talents out against legit middleweights. Duran won a middleweight title despite being severely undersized, FFS. I'd much rather see Floyd fight a middleweight and chase history than I would watch him pick apart any of these underskilled and outgunned welterweights we have running around right now. There's nothing compelling about Floyd vs. anybody under 154lbs, IMO, and many other fans (including many of his own) seem to share the same opinion. He's going to have to look hard to find an opponent that many in the boxing world would be interested in seeing him face if it's under 154lbs. The future of this Mayweather/Showtime deal looks totally bleak right now, and if I were in charge over at Showtime I'd be concerned about that, especially now that they've cashed out their Canelo ticket. You are the delusional one if you think we are dum enough to believe that the reason people want to see Floyd go to 160, is because you people supposedly want him tested.When Martinez was tearing through middleweight division, and before anybody heard of Golovkin,you same people was not saying Martinez should go to super middleweight and test his skills.It was only non-bias fans that were saying Martinez should go to super middleweight to test his skills.Nobody is saying Mikey Garcia should move up in weight to test himself. But Mayweather and Broner were told keep moving up to test your skills,GTFOH.A certain percentage of you people who are saying Floyd should move up to 160,just want Floyd to lose.Uou people know that Floyd don`t even weigh in at 154 when he fight at junior middleweight,but yet you people want him to move up to 160. And Roberto Duran fought at middleweight at a time where fighters didn`t come in 10-15 pounds over the weight limit the day after the weigh in.

If P.Will fought tall I think he could keep him at bay and win, but he doesn't do that. So I don't see him beating Floyd. Trinidad would do a little better than Canelo and slightly worse than Cotto, IMO.

I was a huge Tito fan but I think he gets out boxed...too much movement would keep Tito from setting his feet & throwing what he needed to, forced to only throw jabs...that takes away from what Tito liked to do...POWER PUNCH. PWill likes to fight like Hatton...he takes away his own advantages like a dummy. So with P fighting small on top of Floyd taking at least one of his weapons away...I think Pwill gets throughly out boxed. I agree...Forrest & Winky would be tough...Winky would be boring but the Forrest fight would be very interesting because he had a great jab & had pop. R.I.P

All due respect to Williams, I don't understand why people keep mentioning his name alongside Mayweather or Pacquiao after this defeat :

Lara is probably the only guy. But on a personal level, I would like for Floyd to try his hand at middleweight. There are absolutely no challenges for him at 154 on down, I say why not. Just add a few pounds to get above the Jr. Middle limit and he's good to go. I think he has the skills to beat the top guys there, but he would not be the huge favorite like he is at 154 and 147. I agree as well but the public isn't going to pay to see Lara/Floyd because Lara (along with Rigo) don't get the network love and promotion. Sad because they have a lot of talent. They want the guys that have just a punchers chance; brawler type to go in there and try to KO Floyd. You know damn well what would be all over the news had Mathysse won that fight.

Neither of them would do very well against him, IMO. Trinidad has a puncher's chance, but we've all seen how well that works with Mayweather, and Williams is the most overrated fighter outside of Valero in recent memory. Forget about his physical advantages, they wouldn't come into play in the fight because they never did because he made a habit out of going to war with smaller men like an idiot. He was also thoroughly outboxed by Carlos Quintana, which highlighted some glaring flaws in his game. Out of recent welterweights, I think prime versions of Antonio Margarito and Vernon Forrest give Floyd the most difficulty from a stylistic point of view. Winky Wright also deserves a nod in that category. Winky beats Floyd at 154.

Styles make fights and Ricky Hatton was vastly inferior to Margarito both in size and style. For starters Hatton rushes in without punching his way in against Floyd and he had shorter arms than Margarito. Secondly, Hatton was too small to bully Floyd to the ropes or bully him in the clinch. Lastly, Hatton had a ton of respect for Mayweather's skill that Margarito simply wouldn't have. Mayweather fans can say "Floyd by easy UD" all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that Mayweather avoided a fight with this guy in the real world. Yeah, he had a better offer with Baldomir for the same amount of money and a lineal title, but he also had a much easier fight with Baldy than he would've had with Margs. It's the one fight aside from the Pacquiao fight that definitely would've presented Floyd with a multitude of problems. I'm not saying that Floyd loses (I'd favor him to win a decision), but he would've been way more tested against Margarito than he has been against all of these no-hopers like Ortiz, Guerrero, and Canelo combined that Floyd fans seem so interested in hyping up the legitimacy of. Agree? Disagree? Whatever. That's my opinion and I'm not about to change it just because you have a problem with it. I will point out that I noticed that you didn't mention my nomination of Forrest and Wright as potential Mayweather beaters too, though. Narrow view. Hatton is inferior to Margarito in size but I wouldn't say he is vastly inferior in terms of style and I think you're overlooking Hatton's superiority in speed. Floyd still had an easy time beating Hatton but the later was able to close the distance between him and Floyd because he is deceptively quick on his feet. Margarito isn't quick on his feet, Floyd would dance around him for 12 rounds. ________ I'm not interested in seeing Floyd go up to 160lb, it'd be nice to see him test his skills at 160lb but at the same time I have no problem seeing him compete where he is best. What some individuals expect from Floyd is the equivalent of demanding a piano player plays the acoustic guitar, or that a jazz performer plays classical music. It'd be great if they could or did do those things but at the same time it is an unreasonable expectation stemming from a desire to see whether or not they will fuck up.

Trinidad who couldn't get off against a guy who moved? I don't think he wins any rounds against Floyd tbh.

-The Punisher would. Too much size, chin, workrate, and the stamina necessary. Tito had a chance. But against a master boxer, I don't know anymore.

After this weekends domination, I'm trying to think of recent welterweights that could've beaten Floyd. Only two that come to mind in the last fifteen years that I think could've beaten him are a prime Tito Trinidad, and recently Paul Williams. I just see Tito's jab being able to control the fight and PWillie's huge reach, height (I've met him in person, I'm a legit 6'1 and he was easily an inch taller), and insane workrate would've been enough to get a decision over Floyd. What do you guys think? As a side note, as far as all time welterweights that I think definitely beat FLoyd, I gotta go with Leonard, Hearns by KO, and SRR. I think niether would do as well as some would argue on NSB, Paul had the attributes to do well but the way he fought nuetralized those attributes to a degree. He fought like a much smaller man and it cost him. If Quintana and Lara are able to outbox you, Its fair to say you would have more concerns when in with floyd. Tito, no. Yeah he hits hard and could land something. But IMO floyd would make him look worse than ODH did.

Lara is probably the only guy. But on a personal level, I would like for Floyd to try his hand at middleweight. There are absolutely no challenges for him at 154 on down, I say why not. Just add a few pounds to get above the Jr. Middle limit and he's good to go. I think he has the skills to beat the top guys there, but he would not be the huge favorite like he is at 154 and 147. I concur with this post. It's (going to middleweight) not a matter of "wanting Floyd to lose" like some of his more delusional fans seem to think, it's a matter of wanting him to see history and to see Floyd test his incredible natural talents out against legit middleweights. Duran won a middleweight title despite being severely undersized, FFS. I'd much rather see Floyd fight a middleweight and chase history than I would watch him pick apart any of these underskilled and outgunned welterweights we have running around right now. There's nothing compelling about Floyd vs. anybody under 154lbs, IMO, and many other fans (including many of his own) seem to share the same opinion. He's going to have to look hard to find an opponent that many in the boxing world would be interested in seeing him face if it's under 154lbs. The future of this Mayweather/Showtime deal looks totally bleak right now, and if I were in charge over at Showtime I'd be concerned about that, especially now that they've cashed out their Canelo ticket. In 2/3 appearances Mayweather's fought at JMW, he's looked.... eh. He looked outstanding against Canelo and I can't remember where I heard it, but apparently he woke up that Saturday at '46 and could only rehydrate to '50, which I think was the lightest he was in all three of his JMW bouts. I completely understand you guys wanting him to go up and fight a middleweight and agree that there's nothing to even test him from '40-'54.... but I can't agree with the idea of him going up to middleweight. He can't, not won't, but he can't even make the JMW limit. Maybe come that 6th fight in his contract, he can't lift a ton more weights and just go all out on the steak and potatoes so he can go out with a bang and a chance to make even more history with the middleweight crown, but right now... nah. Duran and Mayweather are two completely different fighters. We'd be looking at a roly-poly version or a severely undersized of Mayweather at '60. Their chins are not the same, nor is their punching power. I'm not saying this as some Mayweather stan.... I'm just saying this from the standpoint that if Mayweather were to go to '60, we'd have another trumped up, bs RJJ vs Ruiz type of event. It's one thing to block a punch from Canelo... a whole different type when it's Quillen, Martinez, GGG, Pirog, etc. These are guys walking around at 180+.

Williams no...but Id bet money on Trinidad to ko floyd with a left hook!!

Styles make fights and Ricky Hatton was vastly inferior to Margarito both in size and style. For starters Hatton rushes in without punching his way in against Floyd and he had shorter arms than Margarito. Secondly, Hatton was too small to bully Floyd to the ropes or bully him in the clinch. Lastly, Hatton had a ton of respect for Mayweather's skill that Margarito simply wouldn't have. Mayweather fans can say "Floyd by easy UD" all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that Mayweather avoided a fight with this guy in the real world. Yeah, he had a better offer with Baldomir for the same amount of money and a lineal title, but he also had a much easier fight with Baldy than he would've had with Margs. It's the one fight aside from the Pacquiao fight that definitely would've presented Floyd with a multitude of problems. I'm not saying that Floyd loses (I'd favor him to win a decision), but he would've been way more tested against Margarito than he has been against all of these no-hopers like Ortiz, Guerrero, and Canelo combined that Floyd fans seem so interested in hyping up the legitimacy of. Agree? Disagree? Whatever. That's my opinion and I'm not about to change it just because you have a problem with it. I will point out that I noticed that you didn't mention my nomination of Forrest and Wright as potential Mayweather beaters too, though. I just think Margs is trash and vasely overated because of the Cotto fight. Floyd would be too damn quick for Marg to even get anything going. And getting cought with plaster is the stamp on his crap career. Call me a Floyd "fanboy" all you want but I honestly think Floyd is just too damn good in all boxing aspects. There is nobody on planet earth that can outbox him, period. They only way to beat him is to knock him out. I like Winkey, and he could possibly give Floyd issues, but i still like Floyd to edge out a UD. Forrest doesnt have a shot.