Man, this isn't about drawing power it's not about fear, because everyone has some sort of fear before competing and mainly it's the fear of losing. That being said, how can floyd benefit from fighting cotto? What has cotto done to deserve a fight with floyd, when has he shocked the world as floyd has done many times. Cotto has everything to gain by fighting floyd, while floyd has eveything to lose. Many people talk about how the old time fighters would fight anybody... Well they have their legacy, but where is their money. Life is about making money and a lot of it... You guys talk about fans respecting this and fans respecting that... Well if a fighter like Margarito has so much respect why don't you guys send him and his wife some money since floyd not fighting him is hurting his pockets. How many of you pussy's sent Diego Corralle's ( a real warrior) family's some money when he passed. How many of you pussy's sent Gatti a get well soon card or some shit like that, when Gomez ended is career? But like I was saying give me a real reason why floyd should fight cotto, besides the fact , that you fake ass boxing fans just want him to fight figthers you think can beat him... All you Floyd haters are some real hoes...and don't know half of what you think you know about boxing... You don't have to like Floyd as a person ro even a boxer, but you have to respect what he is able to do... Look at your boy Paul Williams how long did it take for someone to take his 0 away once he became champ? riddle me that?
is money your god?
uou right Paul Williams is not as good a handpciker as floyd
i dont care who or how anyone can/will beat cotto, i will always love to watch him fight, his determintation and will are admirable traits. if there is a way for cotto to win a fight he is going to find it everytime.
Well said Hitman, Cotto is the antithesis of floyd. offense/defense, humble/arrogant, fights anybody/handpicker,
floyd is a major talent but he will lose to Cotto. you can tell by the way floyd talks he really does not want to mess with Cotto.
just look at the video of Merchant questioning him about Cotto, floyd will not touch that. nor will he touch that contract with Cotto's name on it. this says it all. talent with a lack of confidence can't beat Cotto.
ha, so after Williams gets exposed, all the "hate" needs to stop but where was this mentality with Cotto and Margarito? why didnt the hate stop with them? fucking hypocrites.
it is all set up perfect for floyd to take on COTTO in a super fight of the decade.
but i guarantee you floyd is a chicken and will not fight Cotto. for he is scared. guaranteed.
and i'm fighting the monster from cloverfield on the moon. :rolleyes:
From Philbox.com: Manny Pacquiao is interested in a ROy Jones showdown but only if Roy agrees to fight on his knees. Roy has accepted the condition and signed the contract, "No problem, I will just borrow Lenoard Ellerby's knee pads."
Valuev would be lucky to go 3 with Pacquiao.
Pre-fihgt entertainment could be Roy singing and gyrating to "yall musta forgot" then Roy and Carl Lewis can do a duet on the national anthem. between rounds Roy can sell popcorn.
hey it's not boxng anymore it's a business of entertainment. if it make dollers it makes cents!
I personally like a Roy Paq tagteam vs. Valuev
oscar beats margarito all day long. he will make margarito look silly....he's far from being a monster
Didn't Margarito bloddy Oscar's nose in sparring when they sparred before Oscar fought Vargas?
Margarito tears this current version of Oscar to bits in a bloodbath. It would be a great great fight. too great that's why it won't happen.
can't coreograph no beast like Margarito! or Cotto for that matter.
I will bet if I can ever figure out how to do it.
At one time Peter was the clear cut choice by KO. But after almost getting shot to death by his brotehr in law in Nigeria, and the near loss to McCline, Peter appears shaky. a very interesting fight with the shenanigans factor to boot. Peter W12.
That works for me if it plays out that way. I'm just wondering how much the survivor of Cotto-Margarito will have left after that war.
Cotto vs. Margarito is IMO the best actual fight that can be made at 147. I hope they can lure the hiding floyd out to fight Cotto, then after Cotto wins Cotto vs. Margarito will be at it's optimal value. Then Williams will get the winner, if he keeps winning which he most likely will.
The key is to hold off on Cotto Margarito until they can get Floyd first and remove that handpicking hiatusing sonofabytch.
I totally agree with you. PBF has nothing to prove, but if it's about fighting the best Cotto is that at WW.
floyd vs. COTTO must be made NEXT. the time is NOW. if floyd is as good as he told us he would fight this guy. but he aint and he won't, that's the bottom line.
Primal, it's pretty simple. mayweather fans have more confidence in their man than floyd has in himself. it's kinda like the pretty girl who looks in the mirror and sees herself overweight or ugly, yet she is much more attractive than she realizes.
Floyd has a similar complex. He acts like he's all great, overeggagerates his confidence, when true supreme confidence doesn't have to blow their own trumpets like that. And the sheeple peeple see floyd act that way and are not wise enough to know what floyd is doing - covering up his own insecurity. floyd is duping a segment of the public.
floyd does not have the confidence to take on Cotto, he would rather do anything than fight Cotto. he will even opt to retire rather than fight Cotto.
Cotto's confidence has spooked floyd. but floyd's fans don't knwo what the hell is going on.
Superman was afraid of corrupt judges? couldn't Superman just demolish that German dude with the help of his alter ego RJay? ? or did Roy know it was a risky fight, one that he could get Koed in?
and that handpicking Julio Gonzalez was the easy way out.
Roy fought Toney when Toney was p4p #1 andhe made him look like a sparmate. No doubt Roy was a special special fighter one of the best ever.
Where he lost a lot of people was with taking the easy way out. if he was as great as he told us he would have gone over to Germnay and kicked the dude's ass. he would have whooped Nunn, Collins, Hopkins for 51-49, Benn.
And he would have unified vs. Byrd after Ruiz.
Roy was great and he still might be, we'll see. But by being a business fighter first he betrayed the code of the great champion who fights "anyone anywhere anytime."
and his handpickingways have now given us mayweather (
He won't KO Cotto because he can't KO anyone he will duck. mayweather is hellbent on ducking Cotto, his publicist even said he will NOT fight Cotto in 2008.
if he believed he could knock Cotto out he would sign up and do it. But he does not have the self belief.
Wright was simply perfect vs. Tito. You can't look more perfect than that in a major fight vs. a hall fo famer. Wright was robbed vs. Taylor. Wright is helluva fighter, no one can deny it.
Tito is just a much funner fighter to watch, the guy makes boxing fun his enthusiasm and love for his fans makes Tito fights special from other fighters.
As for Tito, I was a huge, latecomer to the Tito fanbase and I was so excited after his performance vs. Mayorga. I was anticipating Tito breaking through the turtle-shell defense, and I was in for quite the shock. But, like I stated earlier, Winky converted me to a big fan that night.
Reedikyouluss;
You believe everything floyd says don't you? you are incapable of seeing through lies and deceits.
you believe what you want to believe about your boy.
but the truth is obvious, money may is in hiding from Miguel Cotto and Miguel Cotto alone.
he's tired and needs a break, lol, what a fool
and floyd woulda fought Margarito if Arum showed him the money right?
if you think floyd is "scared" of cotto... your truly an idiot.... have u ever watched ONE floyd interview... the dudes about as confident as they get in the sport... i highly doubt floyd is sitting at home thinking about all the skills cotto has and how he doesnt have a chance... get a life... floyd knows cotto better bring his books, cuz hes gonna get taken to school on that night
To the contrary, floyd did not look or sound even close to confident when he got confronted by Margarito that time on the youtube video. and then the other when he said, we're not fighting to see who's the best.
but yeah as long as floyd is protected from Margarito and Cotto, he can talk his sh** and sound all confident, and suckers out there won't know the difference.
hide floyd hide
Judah don't want none of that. Margarito can expect Zab to dodge him, as have floyd, winky, vargas, mosley, baldomir and if ciintron don't put up or shut up, add "i want margarito" but in words only' cintron.
Cintron i guess has learned from master talkers like floyd and judah, you talk a lot of sh**, dummy fans get all impressed, and you score points by talkin sh**
meanwhile the true warriors talk only when they mean it and back it up. Cotto and Margarito and Williams fit this category.
floyd judah and cintron are all conjobbers blowin smoke.
I think you just proved the point. He is handpicking his opponent. Nobody is saying Floyd is stupid for fighting Oscar again, but you can't say he is doing what is best for his legacy if he wants to be known as one of the greatest ever. He is already a very wealthy man. Who needs to see a DLH rematch?
im also in favor of a BOYcott of Floyd-Oscar
FLOYDCOTT anything but FLOYDCOTTO )
Of course Cotto could bypass Gomez and go right straight to fighting Floyd.
Oh sorry, floyd and his fans do not want that fight. floyd prefers to hide and beg Oscar for a rematch.
or course arum of course you will say this just to get a big payday yourself lmao.
It's funny how all these boxers fight for a living but at the same time they are scared to fight for millions.
Bullseye! Bob Arum has spoken the truth 100%.
some people can't handle the truth. floyd is a handpicker always has been always will be.
hide floyd hide, you are afraid of Cotto!!
No, I am saying that I find ridiculous that anyone is surprised or pissed at Mayweather choosing to fight Oscar instead of Cotto, or Cotto not fighting the other champs, but choosing Gomez instead.
These people are human, and they have futures, where money is going to mean more than "legacy". It's childish and pathetic to overlook this very simple fact.
the problem is when floy "retires" when the safe option of oscar or whomever (hatton), is not available. floy opts to retire or go hiatus rather than face who the public demands - MIGUEL COTTO
fear/hesitation/reluctance could not be any more obvious
Well, Larry Merchant was a football player. He was a respected journalist. He was promoting Joe Frazier with a bunch of other guys back in the day and he's got the balls og Godzilla. His logic and analogies are dead on. His character is made of marble. Now compare Kellerman to that! Did I sound like a fanboy of Larry? That's cause I am.
It bothers me that he doesn't seem to like any fighters but black fighters. I can't think of one Latino or white fighter that you knew he really loved and appreciated. He's like a super nuthugger of Jones, Floyd, Whittaker. he does come off as a fanboy who has a good voice and enthusiasm but he never really tells us anything we don't know or can't see for ourselves, or any real interesting insights about the fighters. It's like he doesn't know any of the fighters except from what he reads about them.
He has the voice and TV appearance but he really says nothing of significance, just enthusiastic chatter. ESPN let him go and the ratings went up when they brought the fighters in the studio which is a great treat for us fans to enjoy. and Max also seems out of his league with HBO. Jones, Foreman, Scully would all be better choices IMO. Listen to Steward's comments next to Max's and they are light years apart.
Maybe Max will someday mature into a bonafide and credible and qualified commentator but he is not htere right now, not even close.
LOL to hate on the most gifted boxer is ridiculous... the mans done nothing but prove himself for the last 10 years... and moving up in weight is the justifier to the supposed "lack" of competition... like when roy fought ruiz, and people said ruiz was garbage... its the 35 lbs of weight that is the equalizer... if floyds so much better.. its the moving up in weight that is the equalizer... and hes still beaten everyone... so now the guy wants to cash in on a few fights.... do i like it? no particularly... do i understand it? yeah absolutely... and if i was him, and had the option of makin 30 million... id probably do it...
he will fight cotto... 2009... guaranteed... and id rather see cotto continue to prove HIMSELF against proven prime welterweights TOO, not zab judah, and 36 yr old mosley.... he beats margarito convincingly... then floyd undoubtedly needs to face cotto
lil floy has no interest in fighting COTTO, said his sychophant stooge on boxingtawk. he retired twice rather than fight Cotto.
floy is like a vampire feasting on the blood of fools. his sign of the cross is not the CROSS OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, floy fears the sight of COTTO, MARGARITO AND WILLIAMS and when ever those names come up he flinches like a vampire. no interviewer will ever ask floy about unification either, for that will also make him flinch in fear like the vampire.
Roy is GREAT when he has something to prove
When Roy is hungry and motivated and threatened, he is at his best.
For a whle there he was complacent and had notting to prove. Now again, after the KO losses he has something to prove. and he is doing it. He is, against all odds at 39, somehow again at his best. He is still GREAT at 39
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your analsyis makes sense. but if it were so easy to beat MIGUEL COTTO, lil floy would not have to use BS excuses like "I will never do bidness with Bob Arum again" or "Miguel COTTO is a punching bag."
this flies int he face of logic floy is afraid very afraid of the brute force, confidence, will and intangibles MIGUEL COTTO has to offer. all BS about money and resumes and whatnot are all smokescreens to cover up FEAR flat out FEAR
Yeah he is fucking useless. He actually takes away from the fights that he comments on. I would rather listen to silence then Max.
and he probably made about $15,000 last night for the "observations" he shared with us.
I don't think anythng he said last night was wirth more than five cents if you axe me