When I first heard Atlas would be training Povetkin, I thought:
1) Atlas will ruin Povetkin, he despises good white boxers
2) It will end on bad terms after a year or so, the same way it always does, as it ended with Grant, Briggs, LaLonde, etc.
Atlas is a nutcase. He actually went with a gun to Donny LaLonde's apartment with intentions of murdering him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Atlas
Yeah wish teddy could just go away.. He such an a..hole.. Always talking **** about european boxers. he always bet on the american fighter and when he gets it wrong he gives no respect to the winner.. only saying he was lucky this and that. And the american fighter did a mistake thats always the reason they loose never the oppenents. I would love to meet him..
Stupid is calling your mum to meet Vitaly to make sure you get her blessing to fight him, then retiring and breaking your promise of a rematch and a shot at least $20 mil (true story).
But I guess Brits fighters don't keep their promises when it comes to the Klitschkos. Just look at what the most recent Brit "chumpion" is doing. Lied to you all for 3 years and now "retiring" at the ripe old age of 31.
dam right, and their to stupid to understand what haye does..
Floyd ain't trying to clean **** up. The bull**** OSDT demand was preceded by a calculated, hate-filled, very public smear campaign by the Mayweathers. It was simply designed to muscle Pac around in negotiations. A desperate play at a psychological advantage.
There isn't a single upcoming fight that is utilizing OSDT.
Not. One. Single. Fight. Not Martinez-Williams, not Khan-Maidana, not Marquez-Katsidis.
There's a laundry list of fighters drooling at the opportunity to fight Pac and they wouldn't even entertain the idea of OSDT. LOL @ Bradley, Williams, Mosley, Berto, Marquez having more balls than Floyd.
Flomos are desperately try to make it as if Pac was not adhering to REQUIRED rules of boxing. Pac has said that if a boxing commission demands it, he'd do whatever they say. Pac's refusing Fagweather's ***** ass demand, not drug testing.
CATCHWEIGHTS
Pac has done it TWICE. Flomos make it sound like he's done it in every one of his last 12 fights. And it was going up against bigger guys. Fighting Cotto at 145 and fighting Margarito at 150 is NOWHERE as pathetic as Floyd dragging Marquez up 2 weight classes and STILL coming in 2 pounds heavier.
If you want to give Pac **** for fighting TWO fights at catchweights, then you have to give **** to SSR and all the other ATGs that fought at catchweights.
Floyd ain't trying to clean **** up. The bull**** OSDT demand was preceded by a calculated, hate-filled, very public smear campaign by the Mayweathers. It was simply designed to muscle Pac around in negotiations. A desperate play at a psychological advantage.
There isn't a single upcoming fight that is utilizing OSDT.
Not. One. Single. Fight. Not Martinez-Williams, not Khan-Maidana, not Marquez-Katsidis.
There's a laundry list of fighters drooling at the opportunity to fight Pac and they wouldn't even entertain the idea of OSDT. LOL @ Bradley, Williams, Mosley, Berto, Marquez having more balls than Floyd.
Flomos are desperately try to make it as if Pac was not adhering to REQUIRED rules of boxing. Pac has said that if a boxing commission demands it, he'd do whatever they say. Pac's refusing Fagweather's ***** ass demand, not drug testing.
CATCHWEIGHTS
Pac has done it TWICE. Flomos make it sound like he's done it in every one of his last 12 fights. And it was going up against bigger guys. Fighting Cotto at 145 and fighting Margarito at 150 is NOWHERE as pathetic as Floyd dragging Marquez up 2 weight classes and STILL coming in 2 pounds heavier.
If you want to give Pac **** for fighting TWO fights at catchweights, then you have to give **** to SSR and all the other ATGs that fought at catchweights.
Lots of potential good fights here.. But the thread starter is wrong when he says Vitali hasnt fought someone with good reach in a while.. Both Gomez and Kevin chicken Johnson had longer reach then Vitali
His views on Wladimir’s punching power:
“What makes him really special also is he has so much power in the late rounds. A lot of guys, great punchers like (Mike) Tyson, they were great in the early rounds but very seldom in the late rounds. Wladimir has knocked out guys like he did with Chris Byrd, and (Ray) Austin, and Eliseo Castillo—he knocked those guys out early because he threw a punch early, an early power punch. And then he’s had the power to go out after being down three times with Sam Peter and he had him out on his feet in the twelfth round of a very grueling fight with one single punch, a left hook. Then he knocked out Thompson. With Tony Thompson he ran across the ring and threw one straight right hand in the eleventh round and just walked away, and Thompson went down totally finished. Now he knocks out this guy in the twelfth round with ten or twelve seconds left with one punch. To have a fighter that has that kind of devastating one punch clean knockout power is so much stress on the opponent because you’re never safe.”
Listen to hall of fame trainer Steward says about wladimir klitschko power: If this man actually would just operate with close to 80%—he’s only operating with about 60%—he would be the most devastating heavyweight in the history of boxing because I’ve worked with him. Never, ever, ever have I been involved with a fighter who has so much one punch punching power. Even guys that knock somebody out—they get them hurt, they knock them down, they get them groggy—Wladimir is the only fighter I’ve ever worked with that everything can be normal like a big party—everybody is having champagne, on the floors, in the tuxedos, with the music—and the lights go off completely at one time. I mean it’s not like a gradual dimmer switch. I never saw anyone who knocked out people in a gym when they block punches and he did that about three weeks ago with a sparring partner—two weeks ago, prior to the fight. With a sparring partner he threw a left hook, the sparring partner blocked the punch and with twenty ounce gloves he was still knocked out. He has unbelievable one punch punching power and that’s why maybe he doesn’t put combinations together because he punches so effectively and with so much power with one punch, but his handicap and problem is he feints too much. He wants everything to be perfect—perfect balance, perfect this, and the last round he was a little overly aggressive, got out of position a few times, but to go three minutes with a guy with his power is like a lifetime because even if he just grazes you with a punch, you’re going to be hurt.''
thats bull. you must be on drugs. briggs didn't even knock down lewis let alone almost stopped him? briggs had early success & NOTHING MORE just like vitali had early success but got stopped.
lewis is better then vitali not only because of his resume but because he stopped a PRIME vitali. when have you ever seen vitali battered bloodied & falling all over the place apart from the lewis fight? lewis tore into a PRIME vitali that night and stopped him. as the rounds passed vitali looked weaker & weaker.
lewis is better then vitali because he's just simply BETTER.
briggs & vitali were both stopped by lewis while they were in their PRIME.
end of thread......
I think you should get a life americanfgot.
I see you posting **** in every thread about the k-bro's
getting all rowdy and worked up because you hate the klitschko's so much.. Get a girlfriend or a job.. It's not healty for you sitting in your mama's house jerking of at the computer and hating on the k- bros all day. You should try boxing, maybe you can learn something, but I doubt it..
Lewis broke down and destroyed prime briggs, dr pillow fist laboured to a 12 round decision over old, shot briggs.
It's funny to see people tell a fighter that HE is wrong about the fighters HE fought. I'm not necessarily saying Klitschko is better than Lennox because Lennox has a better resume, but let's not forget when Shannon and Lennox fought (both were younger, closer to their primes) Briggs damn near ko'd Lennox, had him badly hurt a few times. Briggs couldn't land a glove on Vitali, who clearly isn't in his prime either, plus had a five year layoff. Resume alone is what has lewis ahead of Vitali, because in terms of who is the better fighter that is surely up for debate. Yes Lennox has a win over vitali but we all know the circumstances surrounding that fight.
I just saw the Klit-Rahman fight...Note that Lennox Lewis KTFOed Rahman in what, 4 rounds? And I mean KTFOed him, Klit failed to do this, and also failed to really hurt Rahman. Rahman was old and way over the hill in that fight, and ontop of that was a talentless slow blob in his prime. Edge wayyyyyy over to Lennox Lewis.
Wlad beat Axel the same way Axel fought George, just get around the punches. Outspeeded. I think George beat Axel but I will revise my opinion to say that Wlad does even worse to old George, but still stand by Young George running through him. Even with old George you still have that power, the hardest hitter Wlad could ever face.
Its not good for your argument to bring the Mercer fight here, their was a 6 year span between Lewis and Klitschko, and Mercer was old old old. 41 years old, and obviously way past his prime.
I know he was old but it doesnt change the fact that he was the first to stop him in impressive fashion. Ray was still one tough SOB old school fighter. If you watch the fight on youtube you can hear the hbo commentators was very impressed and that win made a big statment about wlad's power at that time. In wlads fight with charles shufford he had one of the sickest right hands I have seen and Emanuel Steward was commentating and said that his right hand was one best if not the best he's ever seen. Remeber this was years before steward became wlads trainer.
Look from 5.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klKDaG5du3c
I just saw the Klit-Rahman fight...Note that Lennox Lewis KTFOed Rahman in what, 4 rounds? And I mean KTFOed him, Klit failed to do this, and also failed to really hurt Rahman. Rahman was old and way over the hill in that fight, and ontop of that was a talentless slow blob in his prime. Edge wayyyyyy over to Lennox Lewis.
Note that Rahman told in an interview on hbo that after his win over lewis he tought he could just go out and KOTF out lewis again. Against wladimir he was in survival mode from round 1 not throwing many punches and mostly covering up. Wlad played it safe.. But if we should go after your logic we can look at wladimirs fight with Ray Mercer, wlad was the first to stop him and had him down already in the first round. Ray was on a 7 win streak since his MD loss to lennox when they meet. Something lewis, holyfield, morrison, holmes and many more couldnt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLDy88Ud5bA
And talking about Foreman, he boxed a doubtful MD against ironchin Axel schulz who had never been down in his career. Shortly after this fight, Foreman was stripped by the IBF for refusing to give Schulz a rematch.
Later Wlad fights him for vacant EBU (European) heavyweight title and destroys schulz and the first to stop him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGTygdrNHo
From a interview with emanul steward talking about punching power: His views on Klitschko going forward:
“I think based on this performance here and his own conversations with me in the recent days that he realizes that he is actually too reluctant, too intelligent, too technical—that I think you’re going to see a much more aggressive fighter in Wladimir. If this man actually would just operate with close to 80%—he’s only operating with about 60%—he would be the most devastating heavyweight in the history of boxing because I’ve worked with him. Never, ever, ever have I been involved with a fighter who has so much one punch punching power. Even guys that knock somebody out—they get them hurt, they knock them down, they get them groggy—Wladimir is the only fighter I’ve ever worked with that everything can be normal like a big party—everybody is having champagne, on the floors, in the tuxedos, with the music—and the lights go off completely at one time. I mean it’s not like a gradual dimmer switch. I never saw anyone who knocked out people in a gym when they block punches and he did that about three weeks ago with a sparring partner—two weeks ago, prior to the fight. With a sparring partner he threw a left hook, the sparring partner blocked the punch and with twenty ounce gloves he was still knocked out. He has unbelievable one punch punching power and that’s why maybe he doesn’t put combinations together because he punches so effectively and with so much power with one punch, but his handicap and problem is he feints too much. He wants everything to be perfect—perfect balance, perfect this, and the last round he was a little overly aggressive, got out of position a few times, but to go three minutes with a guy with his power is like a lifetime because even if he just grazes you with a punch, you’re going to be hurt.”
His views on Wladimir’s punching power:
“What makes him really special also is he has so much power in the late rounds. A lot of guys, great punchers like (Mike) Tyson, they were great in the early rounds but very seldom in the late rounds. Wladimir has knocked out guys like he did with Chris Byrd, and (Ray) Austin, and Eliseo Castillo—he knocked those guys out early because he threw a punch early, an early power punch. And then he’s had the power to go out after being down three times with Sam Peter and he had him out on his feet in the twelfth round of a very grueling fight with one single punch, a left hook. Then he knocked out Thompson. With Tony Thompson he ran across the ring and threw one straight right hand in the eleventh round and just walked away, and Thompson went down totally finished. Now he knocks out this guy in the twelfth round with ten or twelve seconds left with one punch. To have a fighter that has that kind of devastating one punch clean knockout power is so much stress on the opponent because you’re never safe.”
Mike generated power from his legs and the torque of his squat body, Wlad generated power from the full extension of his long arms and punching down at his opponents. Totally different types of power. Tyson was more likely to knock an opponent out in the early rounds due to his ferocious and varied attack, Wlad to break down an opponent and stop him in the later rounds due to the cumulative effect of his pinpoint jabs, right hands. I think raw power wise Wlad hits a tad harder simply due to his height and weight advantage, but he needs to get full extension on his punches to do his damage. Tyson's dynamic power could hurt you at any stage and with more or less any punch. Wlad's opponents are more likely to be able to brace themselves for a right hand, whilst that's not the case for Tyson's opponents given the variety of Tyson's assault.
This guy actually knows boxing unlike most of the people on this site
It's funny to see people tell a fighter that HE is wrong about the fighters HE fought. I'm not necessarily saying Klitschko is better than Lennox because Lennox has a much better resume, but let's not forget when Shannon and Lennox fought (both were younger, closer to their primes) Briggs damn near ko'd Lennox, had him badly hurt a few times. Briggs couldn't land a glove on Vitali, who clearly isn't in his prime either, plus had a five year layoff. Resume alone is what has lewis ahead of Vitali, because in terms of who is the better fighter that is surely up for debate. Yes Lennox has a win over vitali but we all know the circumstances surrounding that fight.
George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"
Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"
Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.
Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.
that he is
People need to wake up and realize that Vitali is the real deal and would give any heavyweight from any times a tough fight.
The way he is just completely dominating people is just brutal. Yeah the guys arent the best heavyweights ever but he just viciously beats them down. He deserves the respect.
Thats the way it is
What do you expect Briggs to say: "the guy who just kicked the **** out of me isn't that good"?
That's the normal thing many of black hw from america says, after they get a brutal beating by the k-bros.. Even in big defeats many of them is struggling to take their loss like a man they only give excuses after excuses..
A young Vitali would have been perfect to represent boxing, he's a killer. He was a world kick boxing champion that also was good in judo. With some different training and more strength he would have been even more of a beast adn would ktfo Brock Lesnar. When a mma striker like shane carwin almost knocked out lesnar and was on his way winning the fight before he run out of stamina what do you think vitali would have done to brock with those small glowes?
Your are either naive or duplictious, UK did not take Khan to the Olympics, Khan represented the UK at the olympics.
When Khan fights he gets racist chants and beer bottles thrown at him, When he goes to commentate he gets some imbred chavs keying his car and putting superglue in the locks and then chasing him down the street.
You obviously hate America, Face it mate Britania no longer rules the waves, The USS Enterprise now rules the waves and it seems like you are imbued with Anti-Americanism.
Its not Americas fault it was putting people on the moon when at the same time the British were going around beating up Asians on the streets and putting racists shows like curry and chips on national television.
The USA is the most tolerant open-minded nation in the world, It truely is a light unto all nations.
God Bless the US!
wow,LOL. Didn't know the US army are so heavy on the brainwashing
Good to hear, sounds like they will soon anounce kovalevs next opponent.
Stevenson and kovalev again headlines a hbo card, and this time if both wins they will meet next for real.
Wonder whos the next oppenent to kovalev tho?