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Andy Ruiz is a very dangerous fight, he is used to fighter much bigger men, he is fresh, hasn't fought in a while, and his a highly underrated body puncher, he also has pedigree, outside of Usyk, Ruiz would naturally skilled boxer he has boxed in along time. Ruz has amateur pedigree, and being the lazy fat POS that he is, he will be motivated to upset Fury, and get one last big payday so he never has to fight again. Fury struggles with smaller men, and he simply has never fought anyone that can crack, box, and is low to the ground, not on Ruiz's level.

Chisora not only has nothing to offer Wilder at this point, he also needs to be saved from himself. Wilder needed him as a stepping stone to 1 or 2 more paydays, the old man served his purpose, and now he should go home, rest, his is finished as prize fighter, it's over.

A world title is something he needed, badly, but, I can't ignore the fact that he ducked serious drug testing for this fight, there is a cloud around him, which cheapens tonight, and that is sad, Ryan finally doing something relevant should be an exciting night for boxing fans.

What is the plan? I am really curious, who is the 1 fight against? The fact that Zuffa agreed to a 1 off for 8 figures invalidates their entire business model, it signals desperation.

At this point, Amanda has to leave, career protecting movements. Plenty of promoters will sign her, especially after this, best bet? Don't sign with a house that is led by those that align with hate. Jake Paul showed us who he really is, living off the tax breaks, exploiting the financial loop holes while also breathing the same air as the people he just disrespected in front of the entire planet. Not only does Amanda have to leave, Jake might have to leave the island, like not even go back to move his sh/t out, they don't play that BS on the island.

Fighters simply aren't going to support a BS pay scale, Turki overpays them for years, then launches a venture to underpay them, and consolidate the revenue? Haha, good luck sustaining that, the terrible (worse than Tuesday night fights on USA) product I saw tonight has a relevant shelf life of two years, Paramount will pull out, will build young fighters, but won't move the needle, plus boxing fans hate the entire premise, just not enough buy in across the board to succeed.

I appreciate their efforts to reinvigorate boxing, but the product tonight does not line up with the bar they have set, they can't survive in the sport of boxing, not as a large scale sustainable player, you have to pay boxers, they are not mix martial artists, they can earn money independent of Zuffa, they don't NEED Zuffa, not the mid tier to top level guys, not at all, MMA fighters need UFC. I think it's a good platform to build young talent, but if they keep fighting at the Apex, keep putting on C level fighters, and aren't paying real cash? 3 years tops, and yes Jai signed, but he was irrelevant, not global, he is trying to build his brand and you have to believe they paid him a BIG contract to get a name in the door, even with that, who he is going to fight? For what title? and now he is slave, it will be a cautionary tale, and the ship will sink.

It was sad to watch, he is trying to fake being crazy, but he just looked crazy, deeply wounded, honestly, he was acting scared. and the BS with Goosen, this is business, that was some little kid sh/t, people don't think it's a big deal, but going to college, getting an education, its not just about the academics, it teaches you socialization, critical thinking, and Ryan clearly missed that boat

How much money is he making in the drivers seat? It's almost like he says sh/t just make himself feel important

I hate that he is fighting in Saudi Arabia, the money must be crazy, I think it will be the winner of the WBO title fight.

He needs stay retired this time, the training videos of him look awful, I really thought it was Peter Fury on the bag. Tyson is done, someone please tell him the run is over, count your cash, and enjoy your family.

Ovb PBC is going to promote the fight, Prime PPV although Netflix could make a play for the fight, for sure, either way Usyk is getting paid, with upside, as will Wilder. Deontae as the last hope for American heavyweights will be a huge draw for this fight, it will be packed. Not saying he will win, in fact odds are he doesn't, but it will be the biggest domestic fight since Canelo/Crawford, it will be much bigger than Shakur/Lopez. If Wilder wins, by KO, he is set for life, he is the biggest American boxing star since Floyd, and most importantly, the division opens up, and the new generation can march in.

He only fought 1 fight, against a faded Canelo, and it wasn't exactly an emphatic win, I respectfully disagree.

I think that JP has been shown that he cant compete with top 15 fighters at this point and im not sure he can go back to novelty bouts. He hasnt been exposed as a non boxer....but he has been shown his level and now its either start from the middle of professional boxing and work your way up...or retire. Theres not enough money in it for him to spend the next 3 years fighting other contenders so i'd say retirement is coming. Having said that...im not sure there is anyone else to fill his space. They have tried with misfits and KSI....but that remains a niche spot that doesnt draw huge numbers. Jake is stuck, I am not sure he can compete with top 20 fighters at 175 or cruiser, totally agreed. Francis checks all the boxes, he can't pursue a serious boxing career, doesn't have the skills, experience, time, or pedigree to progress as a prize fighter. Fight Francis, get the bag, focus on promoting.

Solid post, and you are correct, Jake's embarrassing performance won't have a significant impact on his numbers because it's not boxing fans watching for the most part, and boxing fans will watch because there simply isn't much televised boxing these days, not with mainstream appeal. I agree Canelo/ Benavidez may be a year late, but I don't think we can underestimate just how many people in those countries would watch the fight, and it would be a mainstream event in the US, no question, Canelo losing, and losing the way he did does not help as you note, but the fight is a blockbuster, and if it's cheap? Big numbers I think 50/Ja Rule could do numbers

Considering JP's performance was abysmal and everything people hate about boxing, it's interesting to imagine that that would be the biggest fight for Netflix to air. Imagine that, any other fighter who fights that way is criticized to death, though because it was JP who did that, you either respect him for doing that in order to survive or hate him for doing that in order to survive. Though the idea that people would actually respect it just because it was JP is an interesting concept. Heck, even I mentioned in another thread it was a smart move by him because I saw no other way that he would last rds. The second he sat still and ate power shots from AJ, he was going to crumble. That said, Netflix is all about big personalities and mega events obviously. AJ's star power in the US just grew substantially with the win and because of the amount of eyes that witnessed, I guess he should be thankful his initial US debut wasn't on Netflix, lol. People are talking like they just discovered of his existence now. A bit too late on you folks. Though AJ vs anyone can probably do decent views on Netflix now because of his star power gain by facing JP. Whether that's a 3rd fight with Usyk that I honestly have no desire to see, or finally facing Wilder which is now equivalent to practically Pacquiao-Mayweather in that it's so overdue and meaningless. Not nearly at the time the fans wanted it, but maybe enough to make it worthwhile that Netflix is interested to show it. I think Canelo's stock took a big hit losing to Crawford. It shows that all his cherry pick fights were there to help pad his wins and when he faced a truly talented guy and probably only did because he thought he had the size advantage, he got schooled. Though because of the Benavidez hype, it can still be a big fight. I'm just not sure the casuals will be interested in it. Benavidez isn't a huge name yet really, only for the boxing fans. Can he draw mega viewers, especially when it's Mexico vs Mexico? (well Mexican-American for Bendavidez). I think it will do well, but not the crazy numbers Netflix is accustomed to now with JP and when he faced Mike Tyson and now AJ. Solid post, and you are correct, Jake's embarrassing performance won't have a significant impact on his numbers because it's not boxing fans watching for the most part, and boxing fans will watch because there simply isn't much televised boxing these days, not with mainstream appeal. I agree Canelo/ Benavidez may be a year late, but I don't think we can underestimate just how many people in those countries would watch the fight, and it would be a mainstream event in the US, no question, Canelo losing, and losing the way he did does not help as you note, but the fight is a blockbuster, and if it's cheap? Big numbers

Anyone who thinks this clown is actually retiring I have a bridge to sell you, he realized he really didn't have anywhere to go, he was going to have to take a tough fight against a primed opponent, and risk losing. He is terrible with money, has not really stacked wealth, he will be back

Not saying it will happen, but I am def coming back to this thread if Deontay lands the big shot, which would be huge for boxing by the way, because then it opens things up, and brings the titles back to the commercial home of boxing.

I have been saying this for years, after he got knocked out, he all of a sudden became stronger, more aggressive, and performed at a higher level than he ever did at what we thought was his peak, I wasn't sure what it was, PEDS whatever, but I knew this fraud was on something, the wilder fight made no sense to me, neither did his subsequent fights...fraud

I think even taking this fight is a bad look for AJ, forget what happens in the ring. He is punting on competitive boxing, and contributing to the decay of the sport. Well done "mate"

He carried the sh/t out of him, especially when he hurt him late in the fight and held him up like he was a child.

Did PBC ever say they were getting rid of PPV (like DAZN has) or did the media make that up when they saw PBC putting shows on network TV? I'm trying to recall any marketing by PBC proclaiming the end of PPV. I can't recall any Exactly, this guy knows what he is talking about

Seriously is this what we consider a boxing fan? Someone who is aligned to a particular network/stable of fighters? Moronic thread Clearly you don't have a counter argument, it's impossible to refute what I said because it's the truth.

My argument is that ur a casual with an agenda, not a boxing fan. Oh please, I have done more in boxing than you can possibly dream of, I am def not a fan, I am much more than that

Look at this little hoe here,.... Are you a boxing fan or an Al Haymon nuttrider??? You little punk! 😆🤣🖕 Boxing Scene has some amazing fans, then there is this population, that is not here to debate, but to engage in petty tribal BS. Get this dude out of here

The PBC is certainly crushing the soul of American Boxing with all their big names refusing to fight on any other network or deal with any other promoters and just keeping their champions safe with inhouse mismatches. Obviously they get a few wrong but if the paid off officials dont cover it by cheating the score cards they just keep setting up rematches until the fighter they want actually wins one. Right now the PBC are the scum of the Boxing world, selling us sub standard PPv's and stopping some of the best fights that can be made in the sport right now. Truth is they are not willing to compete financially with DAZN or Top Rank for the rights to host and control the fight so rather than bow to the bigger spender and have these big fights made they just lock their fighters away and refuse to deal with anybody. This guy sounds salty as hell lol!!

Nobody needs or at least no boxing fan should encourage PPVs. PBC was supposed to be about free network boxing or reasonably priced boxing events. All their PPVs have been crap so far and not worth the money at all. that's not the point, the point is they are making money, a loads of it relative to the era, period.

Lmao sure kid. Now do everyone a favour a log off Put your money where your mouth is. My resume against yours, not on this website, in the sport, lets say $1000 to the more impressive resume. You can say what you want, there is no way your winning this bet, if you have the guts to do it.

Spence/Garcia was a horrible event not the point, IT MADE MONEY, much more than expected.

Holyfield was very much on PED's. So much so, he went bald very quickly and put a hole in his heart. The name "Evan Fields" was found during the Balco scandal with a phone number. They phoned it and Holyfield answered. His name was on their books from the moment he moved up to Heavyweight. So check the facts out before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have. Jones failed a drug test but it was swept under the carpet until one of the commission members came out and exposed it. Search on here because a poster went into great deal on the cheat. So you're wrong again. The FBI was involved when the IBF where taking bribes. Search it out to see you've failed yet again. It seems to be your memo. Miller Toney Holyfield Jones Jr Molina Bey Berto Briggs Haugen Love McCline Molina Jr Morrison Mosley Vargas Peterson Randall Rios Tarver Thompson All American boxers who popped. Barnett Jones Baroni Blaydes Bonnar Bowles Caceres Calvillo Casey Cerrone Collier Cope Dillashaw Fitch Leban Lessner Mendes Mir Penn Shamrock Slice Sylvia Sonnen And many many more MMA fighters from the US. Type into Google " USOC doping cover up" to see just how deep cheating and corruption is in the US on levels beyond any other nation. If I were to give you American athletes from other sports failing drug tests, i'd be here for years. When you find a list of fighters from the UK that comes anywhere near to this level, give me a call. I won't ever allow you to live in delusion and lies.\ Your an idiot, the FBI investigated bribes Arum was allegedly giving to the IBF, they even raided his offices, nothing to do with drugs