dos santos owned last night
boxer>muay tai
meh....last night showed
Better Athlete > Athlete
Every year people think they found the protype MMA fighter. One year its Karate, then with Brock Lesnar it was a 280lb high level wrestler, Anderson Silva was Muay Thai.....blah blah
Watch Cain beats JDS in the rematch and it resets itself back to wrestling.
Did anybody else notice from 12.00 (Thats when I picked up on it) that Dana is very obviously sniffed-up out of his brains? lol!
Watch it, you can see him gurning, licking his lips, sniffing, rubbing his nose, stuttering & his pupils are dilated & Ariel is just looking at him strangely as he starts talking really fast.
He's sick. Not a big conspiracy
Dont care, ESPN can expose all of it and they should if it warrants it.
They can expose it, but they need to investigate themselves.
Why doesn't ESPN do one on Top Rank?
It is like Dan said, ESPN give the money to the promoter and the promoter split the money between fighters
Rightttt...and how many stories on low fighter pay has ESPN done on any of these promoters they work with?
How much Money does these little events ESPN show pull in?
Not much at all......but if the UFC is paying their bottom guys 20-30 times more than fighters that are being broadcast on ESPN, you don't see its a little silly ESPN doing a low pay special on the UFC?
Why doesn't ESPN do one on Top Rank?
Also doesn't the UFC have health insurance as well?
20-30 times more percentage wise?
Try money wise
See this all has to be based on the percentage of what give out, from what they make.
Not really, UFC is routinely giving out $60-100k bonuses for KOs and submissions. Plus UFC has health insurance for these guys up to $50,000.
If what is true? that FNF's that puts on weekly shows with mostly no names on a small budget dont pay fighters Millions? His comparison is off. The UFC the #1 MMA outlet makes millions and the percentage the fighters get out of it, are low. Its that simple.
edit..
Rafael is killing it.
You don't find a little bit of irony that ESPN is doing a money piece on the UFC and they are showing live fights themselves with guys getting paid basically nothing?
Its hilarious that Rafael thinks its ok because its "out of ESPN's hands" since the promoters can freely choose to spend the money how they see it.
Do the under card UFC fighters sell $6,000 worth of tickets and PPV buys? Nope.
That's funny comparing ESPN2 boxing which usually pays a license fee of 20k per show against the supposed fastest growing sport in the world. Why not compare those $hitty MMA shows on Indian reservations that probably pay guys $50 bucks and a six pack of natty lights to the lowest pay in Boxing?
Well because ESPN boxing is the topic at hand
If you want to compare UFC pay with boxing compare it to HBO/Showtime level and PPV level, this is all spin by the UFC which they are great at doing BTW. Smoke and mirrors to distract the public and the fans to how badly they are raping their fighters.
But are they really raping their fighters when the UFC as a promoter has proven time and time again that they are directly responsible for generating a lot of revenue with PPV buys and fight gates?
Case in point. Brock Lesnar's first MMA fight did 35,000 ppv buys. His second was with the UFC and did 600,000 buys.
I would say UFC easily deserves a lion share of the money. If MMA was that popular on a whole then why hasn't there been a fighter been able to generate a lot of money on his own? Why are all the other promotions in the red and now defunked? Why did Pride pull in 40,000 ppv buys in the US for their first live PPV despite having talent like Fedor, Shogun, Henderson, Barnett, Belfort all on the same card? Why was Fedor only able to generate 100,000 PPV buys for Affliction? We all know if the UFC had Fedor in a title fight against Couture or Lesar they would have done great numbers.
Another thing is some of those four round fighters(Not all of them but it happens) are fighting 6-10 times a year and some young fighters/prospects have an allowance from the promoter or manager. The promoter/manager will pay you lets say $1000 a month as an investment so you won't be starving while you're being built up. The UFC fighters are tied down to the UFC and hardly ever fight more then 3 times a year, plus the whole UFC is set up so that the promoter is 100% in control.
At the end of the day you're not making much either way if you're an up and comer. Whether its for the UFC or for some boxing promoter that is giving you allowance of $1000 a month.
One thing about Floyd whether you like the guy or hate him he's his own boss. He doesn't answer to no one and the promoter works for him. In the UFC you are the slave and if you ain't kissing billionaire ass 24/7 you might get cut, not get any bonus pay or the push needed to get you out of the prelims.
Right but Floyd is able to sell and promote any fight event with any promoter. MMA fighters can't do that because the only promotion that currently makes a lot of money is the UFC. That why the UFC is able to "rape their fighters".
There's no real proof that the UFC has done one million plus for any PPV event (I'm sure they have a few times), Dana White and the UFC never release official numbers. Kind of how Bob Arum has been doing lately and just throwing numbers out there.
But it really is sad how little the fighters get paid, they stack their cards because the fighters make peanuts. If boxers earned peanuts we'd see some great stacked cards like Mayweather, Bradley, Gamboa, and Canelo all on the same card (against stellar competition) can you imagine that? Reason I expect the UFC to encounter the same issues that boxing has, I don't expect the UFC to believe they will always have a stronghold on the MMA world forever and fighters are going to realized they're getting slave wages.
Why do people keep thinking MMA fighters get paid slave wages?
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=6391391
ESPN - Best-paid athletes in 30 sports
MMA Brock Lesnar UFC Estimated Prize Money, ppv share $5,300,000
So Brock netted somewhere around $5.3 million in 2010 for 2 fights. Around $2.5 million a fight when all PPV buy earnings are added.
Anderson Silva buys a $1.76 million dollar home in CA. Mind you he also has 2 nice homes in Brazil
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/01/home/la-hm-hotprop-anderson-da-silva-20110701
Chuck Liddell owns a Ferrari, Hummer, 4600 sq ft home in an expensive area of CA .... Hes worth millions
Jon Jones bought a $200k Bentley....yes all slave wages.
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/a5/a5fd0f35f463446d6d816aff074435cf/jon_jones_hits_the_big_time_with_bentley_purchase.jpg
So we are all agreed.
It is basically a can't win for boxing in a best case scenario.
And downright disastrous if a couple of things go horribly wrong.
In some ways I think it's an easy win for boxing. McGregor won't go the distance. In fact there is zero ****ing chance he will go 12 and this is coming from an MMA fan. McGregor has a better chance of KOing Floyd than this fight going the distance because either the ref will stop it well before or Floyd will stop him.
If this was some kind of modified rules fight where it was with 8oz gloves at 154lbs and 6 rounds then that would be a much more interesting fight.
This Gif is taken directly after floyd says to dana white
Dana whites my friend "You done a hell of a job bringing this ***** to the table"
At the very start of the gif it looks like Connors attention is focused towards dana white as if hes listening/waiting for dana to respond, he doesn't and then you see conor shake his head as if to say DAM Them two really planned all this together to snake me! Then he starts starring into space contemplating the realization he has just had.
Or am i just high right now?
There's no setup. McGregor is the main one who has been pushing for this fight since last year. McGregor is very intelligent and was able to pull off a fight in possibility the biggest boxing ppv of all time without ever having to box before.
In the future they will be doing case studies on how McGregor has hack the world in getting sh*t out of it that seems impossible. Remember this dude was on welfare in Ireland in 2013 and is now fighting Mayweather on a fight that can be bigger the Pac/Mayweather. And hes never boxed before. It's like McGregor has somehow hacked the matrix and is willing the world to him.
Going to a buddies place and we're all pitching in.
Yep thats how you should do ALL boxing fights. Unless your loaded with cash, the idea of dropping $70-$100 for a few hours of TV content yourself is pretty retarded. People ***** about their cable bills as it is.
I think safety wise the fact this is taking place at 154lbs is huge plus for McGregor. I'd be worried if Floyd made him come in at 147lbs because McGregor is a big guy and it's really dangerous cutting a lot of weight and taking shots to the head.
I still think it's crazy to even sanction a fight like this without some kind of modification of the rules to even things up a bit.
I'd have the fight with 8oz gloves and 7 rounds just to even up the fact you have a guy with no experience who is used to fighting with 4oz gloves fighting the greatest of all time. The rules are silly as it is. If Floyd can't stop a complete novice with strict boxing rules in 6 rounds hes a chump.
To me its pretty simple. Floyd knows deep down inside McGregor could legitimately kill him in a street fight rather fast and I think he knows there's a huge chance if he tried coming at him he could get embarrassed. McGregor has years of full contact fighting at the highest level and is also bigger than Floyd. Those two facts alone would make it a rather foolish move to try something.
What would be a considered a failure? Under 3 million buys?
If this fight doesn't hit the 2M mark it's a failure in my opinion
How the heck would it do under 2M? It's talked about daily on ESPN for months and they already have a 60 million gate. McGregor can do 1.6 million in the UFC by himself. Add Mayweather to that and the sky is the limit.
Its literally impossible for this to do under 2M unless something major happens in the world like N Korea nuking LA.
Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant openly loathed Floyd, and that never put their jobs in jeopardy (HBO didn't seem to like Floyd either, so there's that).
Paulie is there to break down the action and call what he's seeing in the ring; I don't see how his feelings for Conor will affect that
Paulie was acting like a deranged homeless man yelling "bring yer balls!" on top of stalking Conor when he arrived.
(Showtime doesn't obviously like Conor since he berated them multiple times so there's that as well)
Only a fool thought this fight was going to flop.
At first I thought it was going to do bad but then I realized I was reading the opinions of hardcore Boxing fans on a Boxing forum.
This fight was for casuals and the average sports fan.
I think I remember you originally said it was going to do in the low 2 million area.
I'll say this...I never heard overheard so many people talking about a fight as I did this one. I overheard people talking about it eating a a restaurant the week before, the night of the fight I walked into a bar to grab some beer and waiting in line the bartender was asking the guy in front of me if he was watching it. The day after at the gym there were guys talking about it. Next level promotion.
The thing is, after seeing how Mayweather verbally destroyed De La Hoya, Hatton, Mosley and Ortiz, people stopped talking ***** about him for the most part. After seeing how McGregor went after him in his part of the press conference today he had no option to go out there and go in on him, which was too funny and clearly got in his head. Another reason why I think this fight will break the record, Floyd is more vocal/provocative in the build up which will make more headlines and catch people's attention. I'm just hoping he starts attacking the UFC as a sport like they used to attack him which will drive the interest/drama levels up even more.
Attacking UFC is a stupid angle. What are you going to say "Oh look at those p*ssies who fight with limit rules wearing 4oz gloves in a cage?". It doesn't work in 2017 which is why no one does it.
He just has to say what he said before - That MMA is a street fight sport which encourages people to behave like animals and that people have came from pro wrestling and went into the UFC. Or that McGregor had to come to boxing because he knew that boxers get paid way more than guys in the UFC. Might not make total sense but it will piss off their fighters and get more UFC fans to buy the PPV.
meh. People are buying this **** anyway. Floyd making some kind of overused comment like it's street fighting isn't going to do much.
Ellerbes gotta have some slickness to him, not just cuz black but he does hang around the Mayweather gym lol
But really I never knew White was going to Box Ortiz. Never knew their beef went that far...
White apparently really knows his **** in boxing.
But the fact that White was willing to box Ortiz who was a top 10 205lb mma fighter at the time should tell you that White knows how much of a difference there is between boxing and mma. White is a guy who wasn't even a pro boxer and was out of shape at the time and even he knew he could beat a legit mma fighter in a boxing fight. Obviously Tito was a terrible boxer even on mma standards but Dana White isn't Mayweather either.
8/26 is a brilliant date.
-They get the fight in weeks before Golden Boy
-There are no relevant sports leading up to this fight. They are going to have the full attention of the sports world up until this fight
-This fight will be massive. The dumbasses who think this does around 2 million ppv buys are clueless. This will do north of 3 million at $100 a pop.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2017/08/25/mayweather-mcgregor-struggling-sell-t-mobile-arena/
With such two big names this should be an easy sell. Goes to show how much of an amateur promotion Mayweather is running in comparison to Golden Boy. Oscar could have elevated this fight to the level it deserves.
Lets bump this thread tomorrow when the gate gets release
“Those other tickets — like the block the MGM will release to its players — is money that’s already in the bank, so I think they do have that live-gate record right now,” Solky said. “I would believe there’s more than $70 million in the box office as we speak.”
Translation; This fight has already destroyed any boxing fight in the gate since Manny/Floyd. This fight might end up being the biggest of all time at the gate and you're posting a troll thread on how it's a failure.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mayweather-mcgregor-1503424003-htmlstory.html