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If Haney had Davis power he would have stopped Loma, Haneys kryptonite is his lack of power, he will have trouble keeping full sized elite 135/140 guys of him, if you look at the top guys that moved up from 130 they all had power, Haney doesn't even when he is lot bigger, those signs will catch up, it's to Haney's advantage to stay at 135 for as long as he can that's why they pulling him down so much, you can only do that with a light punching speed guy, to do that weight cut with a puncher will take too much power of him, they know Haneys weaknesses that's why they fight him real big at the weight. That's not a certainty. We have never see Loma really hurt. We don't know how he'll react if chin is really tested. That's one of the reasons why this fight is so interesting. Because the fight-ending power of Davis is the only way he can win a fight against Lomachenko. And I do think he'll eventually find an opening. Davis is quicker and more explosive than Haney.

Mayweather and Pacquiao were generational talents. Imagine what they’d do to Haney even at 35. They wouldn’t lose a single round. Haney isn’t even that good, I had Loma winning but I don’t see it as some incredible accomplishment that he beat (or arguably should’ve beat) Haney. Great fighter but not an era defining fighter. He’ll never be revered in the pro’s like he was in the amateur’s. I agree with that and I really like Loma. Begs the question though. If Mayweather and Pacquiao are generational talents, then what is a Roy Jones Jr ( who is arguably a level of talent ABOVE even Manny and Floyd which is hard to imagine but it's true)... Is ANY boxer of ANY era at Roy's talent level?

Loma would likely get knocked tf out of the Ring by Davis. People really need to stop with Loma now, he is a Super featherweight. If he wants to be undisputed he should go to 130 and fight guys his size and where his punches will have full affect. Stop with what LOL... Lomachenko arguably beat the undisputed 135 champion who had a huge size, reach, and age advantage. Loma is probably the quickest guy at 135 even at his age and he's certainly the most skillful. Loma SHOULD of got the win and then we would be on track to a Davis fight. Now someone has to beat Haney or Haney has to move to 140. I COULD see Loma vs Shakur... and Davis vs Haney... Loma beat Shakur and Davis beat Haney... then we MIGHT get Loma vs Davis for the true undisputed title

Just means he steps into a shot that can count him out, you dont touch Tank unscathed its becoming apparent Davis has hammers, Loma to Davis is like a blowfly that will slow enough to get squatted before the 12th. Loma has regressed and is just about done, Davis is still rising, why is Haney not calling Davis, why is Shakur calling Haney and not Davis, they all know the power is real one shot power. Loma is LEVELS upon LEVELS in talent above anyone Davis has fought. The ONLY reason people would favor Davis is because of his power. No one thinks he has the ability to outbox Loma. Davis landing some monster power shot on Loma and knocking him out cold is NOT some forgone conclusion. We don't know how good Loma's chin is really.. It's quite possible Loma gets knocked down and hurt but recovers... then tightens up his defense and continues to outbox Davis to a decision. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Loma knocks DAVIS out.

This is still the fight to make. Davis can still make 135 right?

Loma starts darn slow against punchers. Doesn’t impose his game early. Reason why he lost to lopez. I think tank is a much better sniper and counterpuncher than Lopez and would get plenty of opportunities against Loma. Tank is also tough go ask pitbull. Loma’s power is just not all that at 135, so i doubt he can hurt tank. Loma isn't going to make the same mistake again with Davis that he made with Lopez. This would be Loma's biggest, most career defining fight. It would be a big PPV. I think it's Loma last chance to really shine and he's not gonna blow it. I think the footwork of Loma would give Davis fits too. Loma is just a better fighter technically than Davis. They both have short reaches too. So it's going to be a close range fight (which makes it so much more fun from a fan perspective... Like you know if a 135 floyd fought Loma it would be Floyd potshotting Loma to a boring decision)... Loma has a high enough ring IQ that he might very well be able to clearly outpoint Davis while avoiding Davis's huge left hand (which really his only weapon against Loma ).... No one is gonna go into that fight thinking Davis is going to outpoint Loma. But maybe Davis will figure Loma out and time and right, who knows.... BUT maybe Loma will prove he has a great chin and we get a war! It's a VERY intriguing match-up.

That right there is one of many keys to the fight Call me crazy but after watching Lomachenko's last performance, not only do I think he beats Tank, he possibly stops him too. Lomachenko has a way of figuring guys out and hurting guys but he doesn't have the same type of power as Davis. He had both Devin and Teofimo hurt at some point but he could never really finish the job. He always goes back to fighting smart. He doesn't quite have the killer instinct of a Manny Pacquiao​. Buuut... Davis is smaller than Teofimo and Haney... So maybe Lomachenko's power would go a little further with Davis. So when Davis does get hurt Lomachenko will feel more compelled to try to finish the job... Maybe Davis won't recover as well. Or maybe Lomachenko will get sloppy in his attempt to finish Davis and Davis will sneak in one of those huge power punches. Lomachenko's chin has never really been tested yet and I think Davis would probably find a way to find it at some point. It's a very interesting match. The MOST interesting at 135 I think...both stylistically and fan-friendly action wise. They're both the most talented fighters at 135 for sure.

It won't be possible because if Loma defeats Haney; Bob Arum has already said that Shakur Stevenson would be his next opponent and Haney would move up north to the 140 pound divsion. It might not be possible as the immediate next fight... But if Loma then proceeds to defeat Shakur it would then setup the superfight with Davis (I'm not sure who Davis should fight in the meantime) ... It's just odd that Davis never mentions Lomachenko... Lomachenko is certainly older than Davis, Haney, and Shakur but he still remains the most technical and polished fighter at 135. That's not even up for debate. It's just a question if time has caught up with him yet. Go back a few years and no one would favor anyone at 135 over Lomachenko.

this is not even debatable, Mayweather is the better "BOXER" however Roy was the better Athlete, Roy is the greatest Athlete I've ever see n in a pair of gloves This is nonsense that everyone here keeps repeating.... HOW is Mayweather a better "boxer"... Does he slip better punches than Roy? NO... Does he throw punches with greater technical finesse? NO.... Roy also has a TECHNICALLY better left hook. He also had incredible footwork. One commentator, I think in the Vinnhy Paz fight, said that Roy had the best jab he had EVER seen... even better than sugar ray leonard... So again, another check in the "technical" "boxer" department. My point is that Floyd is not technically more proficient at doing the the normal "boxer" things than Roy is.

Technically, and it hurts me to say it, Floyd is better. Physically Roy was phenomenal and certainly superior to Floyd in that way. I guess it depends what is meant by “better”. How is Floyd technically better than a PRIME Roy? Who got hit less? Who PLAYED with their opponents? Floyd had closer fights in his prime with his opposition. Roy had NO close fights. Roy HIMSELF said that his athleticism would of been nothing without his technical base. Floyd LITERALLY says that what differentiates him from other fights is his "God given talent"... he is talking about athleticism really... he has stated he is the fastest fighter of all time... Floyd seems to think that he is a level above everyone in the pure natural talent department when that is simply not the case... And Roy is the glaring example he refuses to acknowledge.

RJJ is my favorite fighter of all time. He was fun to watch, and the way he moved, the angles he threw punches from, with the speed and power he did it with, he looked an otherworldly athlete. He was very special to watch because of these things. A true HOF’er and an ATG, probably the best P4P fighter in his prime. Legitimately unbeatable in his prime. Like who can realistically beat that guy, same size and all? But Mayweather is better fundamentally. Truth be told, you are teaching your child to box, you do not tell them to copy what RJJ. While fun, the hands low, moving to avoid punches, and relying on handspeed to hit your target, isn’t the way you want to teach boxing. That’s one of the reasons why RJJ was so famous and so fun to watch: he did everything you shouldn’t do, and got away with it, and was really good at it. You want to show your kid Mayweather fights if you want him to really get what is boxing and what are boxing fundamentals. In a sense you're right... But still...it isn't like RJJ is fundamentally sloppy... it's BECAUSE he has a strong fundamental base (that was hammered into him as a child just like Floyd) that he was able to look so otherworldy when he utilized his natural athleticism WITH his boxing skills... There are a lot of extremely athletic NFL and NBA players that can't throw a punch to save their lives despite the fact their "fast twitchy," and explosive. Also...Everyone on this thread is painting a picture that Floyd is some supreme fundamental skilled boxer that didn't RELY on HIS superior athleticism in fights do the things that more "traditional" boxers would never do. Floyd used to do a leaping left hook too, or putting his hands down and doing his signature pull right hand counter.... Floyd RELIED on his reflexes just like Roy... It's just that his OVERALL fight plan utilized more "traditional" boxing because he was forced to because he wasn't AS athletic as Roy... If Floyd was able to do what Roy could... He would of done it, period... Roy didn't need to do the shoulder roll...It's not like Roy couldn't do it if he wanted to... Talking of skills.... Was Floyd able to switch to south paw as smoothly and effectively as Roy? A lot of kids will never have the cat like reflexes of Floyd, so i wouldn't say Floyd's style of boxing is some supreme template for doing boxing the "right" "traditional" way... Maybe someone like Roberto Duran or oscar de la hoya... Someone very skilled but without the "flashy" style which is impossible to mimic unless you're super athletic yourself... or maybe the cuban style... And I am sorry, but RJJ getting KO’ed by Tarver like that, would have been equal to Mayweather getting KO’ed by Mosley with the couple of good right hands in the 2nd round. And RJJ getting KO’ed by Glen Johnson like that would have been equivalent to Mayweather getting KO’ed by Maidana. But that didn’t happen because as Mayweather aged, his boxing fundamentals stayed the same or better. He blocked instead of just moved. He setup big punches with jabs, instead of throwing 1 super fast power shot from a weird angle, hoping to KO his opponent. He clinched when he had to, instead of being a sitting duck, taking power shots. RJJ didn’t know how to do any of this, and it showed as he aged at 33-35 vs Tarver 3x and Johnson. When RJJ’s superpowers were gone, he didn’t have the basic boxing fundamentals that his insane instincts bailed him out of in the past. H2H, both in their prime, RJJ beats Mayweather. But that doesn’t mean he’s had the better career. Floyd wouldn't even fight spence or Crawford when he was still active... And he would of most likely beat them... He just didn't want to take any unnecessary risks... What was Floyd's excuse for such blatant dodges? His last real fight was against freaking Berto....How can anyone say he had the better career....Floyd's blatant ducks were Spence, Crawford and Lara....Because even though those were all winnable fights they would of been close... Floyd fought maidana TWICE... TWICE... but avoided all those fights Roy was a literal warrior who went up to heavyweight... When Roy dropped down in weight he no longer looked invincible, you're right... But this has less to do with Roy lacking fundamentals... And more to Roy just being stubborn and trying to box the way he always did... Even the Glenn Johnson fight... he was still pretty damn fast... faster than probably any current boxer still... But his reflexes slowed down just enough that he was getting hit was stuff he would never get hit with before... Floyd's blend of athleticism and boxing allowed him to be dominant until the very end of his career... perhaps if Roy made adjustments to his style of boxing he would of taken less punishment... But Roy was a stubborn warrior... Floyd was a "smart" boxer who carefully chose his opponents.... All this isn't to say I don't think Floyd isn't a great fighter... But he's just not a "better" fighter or TBE...

The OP seems PERSONALLY offended that Floyd doesn't mention Roy Jones. Ali proclaimed himself the "greatest", Floyd claims "TBE", does it really matter? I'm not personally offended... Just making an observation how Floyd rarely gives other boxers their props.

Floyd is WAY better fundamental fighter. Roy Jones was athleticism merchant. He got exposed badly when he started to slow down. Best fighters are combination of athleticism and fundamental skills. Floyd is ultimate example of that. Again no... Roy is the "ultimate" example of that... Without fundamental skills you can't use your athleticism... at least not to it's potential... To get the most out of your athleticism in boxing you have to be technical... If the sweet science is hit and not got it... who, in their prime, better exemplifies this?

according to compubox, floyd was the least hit fighter in history (of compubox) I'm only talking about their primes. Who got hit less in their primes?

the fight between them has only been marinating for like six years, give it a bit more time ugh...the sad truth of boxing

Yeah, right after the fight, Loma gave the generic answer of wanting to fight anybody they put in front of him. To me, him and his team have been running their mouths too much the past few months to give this generic and boring answer. Exactly. Loma has consistently said he wants to fight the best. He has said he doesn't want easy fights. Yet when given the platform to call out the best fighters on live TV, he gives the safe, generic, "I'll fight anybody" line. If this was on HBO, you know Kellerman would of immediately replied by asking Loma specifically about Garcia or Rigo... The deadline for a Rigo fight seems fast approaching too... Especially since Loma has expressed interest in a ray beltran fight at 135. Rigo then beltran then a big ppv with Garcia, with maybe another filler fight in between..

Loma is great. If he calls out a fighter 2 weight classes below after beating a guy moving up to 130 that lost his last fight at 126, then that is extremely weak and everyone should crap on him for that. Call out Berchelt or Corrales, the next 2 best in the division. That or mock Salido for not fighting him. Loma calling out/expressing serious interest in fighting Rigo is definitely NOT weak... If Loma was more serious about the Rigo fight, I'd have even more respect for him, because Rigo is a serious challenge. Loma isn't going to bulldoze through Rigo... he didn't bulldoze through Gary Russell...How in the hell is he going to bulldoze through a guy vastly more talented with serious pop in his punches...even if he's a smaller guy.

So we have everything for a great fight. Exactly. Normally, you might think with two such highly skilled fighters you'd get a "boring" technical fight... But I think the clash of styles between Loma and Rigo will mean a very exciting fight (both for normal fans and for real boxing fans, who will see a ton of skill being put on display)

Someone needs to contact Yormark to start the ball rolling. Rigo camp by itself is helpless. Can't do anything but tweet. Even better idea is to tell Yormark to buy a ringside seat in the Marriaga fight. Then climb up the ring in the post fight interview. Even that seems too terrifying for the Cuban. Top Rank is the A side, they should be trying to reach a deal. If Loma says he wants to fight Rigo (which has has) then why shouldn't Top Rank get the ball rolling... I'm quite sure, BTW, that the ball is rolling and negotiations are happening...the hang up is probably about money... This whole drama about Rigo needing to "call" Top Rank and Loma offering a win take all, are just covers, something to fall back on, if the negotiations don't work out, imo.

Loma really looking bigger these days compared to when he was at 126. Im actually surprised how bulky he got, the size advantage will be there. I agree he is looking big and strong too. But you can't discount Rigo's power. I don't see Loma just walking through Rigo's straight lefts like they're nothing. Knowing that Loma has such a size advantage, I think Rigo will try to get Loma's respect earlier. If he can make Loma fight a slower, more cautious fight he might be able to win on points. What's so great about this fight, is that it is guaranteed to deliver. Unlike Manny-Floyd... Loma won't be afraid to apply significant pressure if he finds himself down on points...There is bound to be a KO in this fight at some point.

Rigondeaux hasn't been attacking Loma in the last few days on twitter... maybe because negotiations are becoming more serious? Loma's winner take all offer shows that he isn't serious at all though.

The Cuban should have bought a ringside ticket in the Marriaga fight. Then climbed up in the ring in the post fight just like Thurman/Garcia. The guy is so dry and lifeless he can't do such simple thing. As if he would just be allowed to climb into the ring... When that stuff happens, it's all preplaned. Loma could of AT LEAST mentioned Rigo's name in the post fight interview...

Loma isn't going to be casually walking down Rigo like he does with other opponents. Rigo's lightning quick counter left will get Loma's respect. Loma will be more careful trying to close the distance. Expect Loma's punchout to be dramatically lowered.

Exactly! I feel like a lot of boxers do a very poor job of putting themselves out there! Imagine Rigo walking on the ring or standing near it. As soon as he would appear on TV, Atlas and Timmy would have to acknowledge Rigo which would be mission accomplished for Rigo: get your name out there for the casuals! Rigo needs to understand that he needs to get ball rolling to get this fight. Unlike the GGG-Canelo situation, Rigo won't benefit from the boxing media and casual fans putting pressure on Loma's team to make the fight like they did for GGG. Andrade does a very good job at that, he seems to always be at the Charlos fights even though he doesn't amount to an actual fight in the ring. Are you kidding me? That's all Rigo's been doing for the past couple of months, putting the pressure on Loma...Arum, in a recent interview, said TR and Roc Nation are now negotiating too. If anything Loma is the one that should be more vocal about his desire for a Rigo fight (to at least increase interest in the fight, which is good for both his and Rigo's bottom line)...

Idk man I think Loma style is just all wrong for Rigo. Rigo likes to step back and counter, Loma would be on the inside waaay to quick. I do think Rigo can pull the trigger quicker though but hed get pressured to much to keep going back and landing. That's a possibility... but then again... if that does happen... we'll get some great, highly explosive action before someone gets knocked out. Thing is though, Rigo is super accurate and his left is pretty powerful... I don't see Loma just shaking it off and continuing a relentless press. Rigo is very quick on his feet too.

Since when did Rigo express any serious interest in fighting Loma? Sure, he tweets some antagonizing statements posing as the guy who wants the fight, but in all honesty, if he expects a 50/50 split then he is pricing himself out of the fight. Rigo has stalled his career for years now. He could have fought Loma at 126 but didn't want it. Honestly, Loma doesn't need Rigo, but Rigo needs Loma if he wants a bigger payday than $150K. Loma is in a position to make a historic fight for boxing. How doesn't he need Rigo to accomplish this? When you have an all time great talent like Rigo knocking on your door and willing to fight you at your weight class, if you care about your reputation, you need to fight...simple..

your point is that becaue these two are skilled fighters, they should fight each others, so how is that any different to the hypothetical I picked? As I said, Rigo is not deserving of fightin anyone of note at 126 or 130 until he proves himself in those divisions. I can understand if Rigo had been active, fighting world level opponents and unified titles but as for now, Rigo is nothing more than a belt holder with 0 notable wins in years and years. If you want to see the fight thats fine but Loma has bigger fish to fry imo. Lol at thinking Rigo needs to "prove himself" first to all these cowards that avoid and run from him.... It's all these so called "champions" that need to prove themselves against Rigo! Loma does NOT have bigger fish to fry unless he eventually makes his way up to 140. Even a fight at 135 vs Mikey Garcia is not as interesting or as important as a fight vs Rigo... Rigo is a legacy making fight, plain and simple... The question is how much longer will Loma stay at 130 to keep the possibility of this fight alive. And if Loma really cared about his reputation he'd at least come down a couple of pounds... Even with a massive advantage, Arum is still hesitant to put Loma in ring with Rigo....

Give Rigo the same as they were going to pay Salido. It's a bigger fight and more career defining. I can't understand why anyone would think he doesn't deserve the same as Salido. But as a poster said earlier it's just a roadblock. When Rigo agrees, the old Bob Arum won't let them fight excuse will be pulled out. Exactly. Loma would be a heavy favorite in a Salido rematch. A win doesn't do much for his legacy, other than avenging a controversial loss. A win over someone as talented as Rigo is HUGE...It's crazy to think of the huge paydays that PBC fighters are getting when they aren't even on the same level as Rigo. This nonsense from Loma about giving Rigo money from his purse if he loses, is nothing but Arum unwilling to make a true and generous offer, and trying to shift blame for the fight not happening on Rigo... Deals like that never get made in boxing... a million things could go wrong (corrupt judges, premature stoppage etc etc) and then the fighter is left with nothing and there's no guarantee of a rematch. Rigo's worth at least what they were going to give Salido... actually much more... Rigo is the greatest challenge of Loma's career!!! and Loma is acting like he doesn't even need Rigo, like it's not a huge fight for him..

Loma couldn't stop Gary Russell, but now everybody thinks he suddenly going to run through Rigo? C'mon now. Loma may very well get the TKO, but he'll eat QUITE a few bombs in the process.... The small Rigo might actually be the first to really check Loma's chin.

Small size is never an advantage... If skills are on the same level, bigger/heavier guy always win... Both guys are super skilled but yet fight so differently. Loma looks like he's always moving a lot, doing these side steps, going in and out as he closes the distance. Rigo is a minimalist, making the smallest, barely noticeable adjustments. I think Rigo edges out Loma in speed, so that might be a factor too. He also has a longer reach. However, if Loma is able to walk through Rigo's power, the advantage will quickly turn to Loma