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One of the two biggest MMA stars in recent times agrees; http://giant.gfycat.com/LiveSeveralIncatern.gif Holly Holm is the perfect example on why fighters that have a boxing background will trump a MMA fighter with no boxing background. Ronda literally got her @ss beat by a simple jab. There is a reason the likes of GSP went to train with Freddy Roach. The biggest and one of the dumbest things MMA fighters do is throw that stupid, and it is stupid, "superman punch". Just look at the McGregor/Aldo fight to understand why the superman punch is useless to any fighters that knows how to box.

Law of pizza explains this well. I like pepperoni pizza, some might say it's a bit plain but I enjoy it. Then you've got cunts who have pepperoni and loads of other toppings and think their pizza is better because it's got pepperoni and many other toppings. Probably a bit of '...yea but in a real fight...', alluding to MMA being more useful than boxing in a 'real fight'. If they say that to you BoxFan83 tell 'em '...yea but in the real world...you're a cunt'. I love your analogy, very useful but I do disagree with the "real fight" scenario. In my opinion if you want to be a good fighter in any style you first have to learn how to box. I have literally seen hundreds of so called MMA fighters both amateur and professional that do not know how to throw a correct punch and this definitely transfers over to street fights.

Money , and fame and less brutal beating This is probably one of the biggest misconceptions in fighting. Truth is, and it has been scientifically proven, that the sport of boxing is the most damaging and brutal. Just compare a championship fight in boxing to a championship fight in UFC (MMA). Getting punched in the head for 45 minutes is a lot worse in the long run than a 25 minute fight in which there is a lot of grappling involved.

Pac should be about 6 years now. As when Floyd was no1 p4p, it really should have been Pac, when he was beating Barrera and Morales etc etc. I totally agree with you on this one, but in my opinion this is more of a popularity competition than anything. Pac wasn't mainstream the years that Mayweather won.

Wow! I am shocked and appalled...

Chubby How do these heavyweight boxers expect to be taken seriously when they come in so out of shape. The greatest heavyweights have always been ripped! I never remember seeing Ali, Tyson, or Holyfield with jelly roles. One of the many reasons the Klitschko brothers are dominating the sport is the phenomenal shape they are in compared to all these muffin-top fighters.

Ali wasn't ripped. Neither was Louis, Johnson, Jeffries, Foreman, Liston, Holmes, Bowe or Lewis. The list is much deeper than that to. I may not respect Chisora as a credible challenge, but he got himself in great shape for this fight. You know I just looked up each and every one of those boxers that you just mentioned just because I like to to research before I make an opinion. All of them were in great shape in their prime. They all make Chisora look out of shape, which he is when you consider what type of athlete that he is. He might be in great shape from what he used to be, but still has a way to go if he wants to be taken seriously. There has been huge advancements in nutrition and exercising so there really is no reason why any real contender should come in looking flabby.

Wow Floyd In the 2 top non heavyweight fights of all time.... That's impressive... What did Pac and Cotto's fight do PPV? MP vs Cotto did 1.25 million http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4674275

Yeah but you got pretty mad for someone that was right. He doesn't do all the ins and outs of a promoter, but he does put up the money of a promoter. Calling him a boxer promoter is fair. Now you know when I am mad? Are you secretly spying on me or something? as for calling him a boxer promoter, it is fair but you would have to start calling most boxers "boxer promoters" from now on because most own a level of promotion company like Floyd. Manny, Canelo, Cotto, etc, etc all have promotion companies and all put up money for promotions.

And then what happens when Pac is caught with an illegal substance in his blood? What happens when Floyd decides to voice his opinion once and people find it to go "too far"? Endorsements aren't worth it in Floyd's situation. In other sports, sure. First off, what does Pac have anything to do with this? If anything Pac solidifies my argument, the role of the hero has worked great for him from a financial standpoint. Now as far as opinions go, my opinion and by the looks of your profile the opinions of many others is that you probably didn't understand my argument and are obviously biased. You make little sense in your debate and argue in the theoretical. You obviously are a huge May fan and would border on what many in the sport world call a nut-hugger. This is clouding your judgement.

Irony You would think that after so many antics I wouldn't be surprised by what this man does or says, but he still has some tricks up his sleeve. It's ironic that a man as clean cut, undefeated, charismatic, and not to mention that he is American would take the route of the bad guy to promote himself. He says he is all about his money but it seems to me that he has lost much more taking this route than the good guy role. Imagine all the millions of dollars in endorsements he has lost just because of his senseless behavior. Any athletic superstar like May has made 10 times more money in endorsements than what the actual sport pays. Take Tim Tebow, he might not be the best but because he is humble, dedicated, and hard-working he has become one of the most beloved athletes in America and with that comes financial success. This guy could have and should have been "the" American golden child but instead chose to be a thug. May has amazing skills yet manages to eclipse them with racism, abuse behavior, an over-sized ego and just plain ignorant pride. "The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts" -Marcellus Wallace (Pulp Fiction 1994)

Cotto was an accomplished amatuer himself. The fact is he's a surefire HOF'r, and the same age as GGG, a glorified prospect. As for the middleweight title, who gives a sh1t. Fighters make titles, not visa versa. Since when did the lineal title become so important? Floyd is criticized to this day for fighting Baldomir for the lineal welterweight title. And for my money, Cotto is worst as thr middleweight champion than Baldomir was as welterweight champion. While Cotto's amateur career was pretty good it is nowhere near GGG's amateur career. Cotto was 125-23 with one Silver medal while GGG was 345-5 with 3 Gold medals and one Silver medal. As for the middleweight title, any fighter that fights at middleweight would give a sh*t. That is the whole reason fighters fight other than money, to prove they are the best which is what GGG is trying to do at 160lbs, you can't blame the guy for doing just that. As for Floyd fighting Baldomir that is exactly what he had to do. If you are the #1 then you should be willing to fight all comers, if not then drop the title and move on.

You can ! It is beyond the scope of the average boxing fan, thats all. It is only apples vs oranges when folks mix the criteria. If you use one standard, and one standard only, it is possible alright. It comes down to who they fought, with consideration given to when they fought..... and thats it. To do so, you would need to be an expert on the opponents across different era's, which is difficult. It only becomes impossible when folks mix in additional criteria. It is more correct to say this..... ..... It is only possible to compare fighters from different era's if you remove the fluffery and solely focus on who they beat, and when. Folks add in, P4P, lineal, and a whole bunch of ridiculous criteria that did not even apply back in the day..... they consider P4P, which is completely theoretical..... they consider lineal titles, despite many greats never fighting in an era where they had/needed a lineal champ..... they consider the amount of divisions from the 17 available, despite there only being 8 back in the day, and despite the fact that heavyweights only fight in 1 division. The true students of the game deserve more credit. While you make some pretty good points I still disagree that you cannot compare fighters from different eras. My main reasoning behind this comes down to the huge strides in sports and health science; I believe that athletes today, especially fighters, have a bigger advantage because of these advancements. While many fans might jump at me for saying this, I believe that boxers today are better because they take advantage of the science: better nutrition, better training, and none of the myths. With that said maybe the legends of the past would have been that much better had they too had the advantage that fighters today have. I do agree that there is a lot of fluff, politics, money, nationality, and even skin color that come into play that shouldn't. A true boxing fan should hope the best man wins, but I think, in my most honest opinion, that skin color and nationality have a lot to do with it. Truth is no one knows and no one will ever know who the best was/is, that is the only fact. While it’s fun to argue it’s more fun to sit back with friends, have a few cold ones, and enjoy the fight.

Why would they have to knock on GGG's door? Is that one belt going to change much? If I can get $500K - $1mil more by fighting Canelo @ 155, why would I fight GGG? Do you think Jacobs would turn down a chance at Canelo? How about Quillen? How about Billy Joe Saunders or Chris Eubank Jr? How about Andy Lee? I don't think any of the Top SWW or MW would turn down a chance to fight Canelo. That's why B-Hop accepted Oscar's demands. That's why Mayweather accepted Oscar's demands. That's why Cotto accepted Pacquiao's demands. Money Talks! I think you misunderstood my reply or I didn't make myself clear enough. I meant that their strategy is to get all the belts not just the WBC, that way if you want to be a champion at 160lbs than you have to knock on GGGs door which gives K2 and GGG a lot of leverage. I agree that money talks but that shouldn't justify fights not being made. As a true boxing fan I do not succumb to who makes what because it doesn't affect me personally other than it just gives a fighter a scapegoat for not making a fight happen. Truth is GGG is the king at 160lbs and if you hold a belt at that division as a fighter your goal should be to unify. You can't technically call yourself the champion of the world if 3 others can make the same claim. Why not root for him? Why root for the guy who is only interested in money? As a fan that doesn't do anything for you unless they are breaking bread with you.

A little boy who's never been in the ring? I never boxed professionally, I did my fair share of sparring and training before getting injured. I did more than 90% of the posters on here. Canelo is a B class fighter. Why? Because he's never beaten an A class fighter and he's struggled in every win against B class opposition. What if Canelo wins? Good for him, I don't see it happening. I'm not saying Canelo sucks, I'm saying he hasn't done anything great in the sport and he's failed to impress unless it's VASTLY smaller opponents (everyone he fought before 154) or VASTLY outclassed (Everyone he fought at 154/155, except for Trout/Lara/Floyd) He arguably lost all 3 of those fights. That's all I'm saying. His resume is exactly as I say not some mythical untouchable names of murderer's row that you guys proclaim, because it's not. I think most people forget that Canelo is only 24 years old, he is still a baby! How many boxers that age do you know have his resume? When Cotto was 24 he was not fighting the Mayweathers of the world, hell when Mayweather was 24 he was not fighting the Mayweathers of the world. Canelo, to me, is very impressive due to his age. He has the old school mentality and that I can appreciate more than anything as a fan of the sport. Like him or hate him I think he will give fans many years of exciting fights.

While it is true Marquez's upper body looks huge at 143, the fact remains that Pac carries most of his weight in his legs, ergo his smaller upper frame, whereas Marquez has really skinny legs. I think this is a mistake a lot of boxers make, having strong legs is very important in retaining power and being able to take punches. The first thing to go when a boxer gets hit is his legs (jello legs), and a huge portion of ones strength actually comes from the legs, so having big strong legs is important. I really like and respect both fighters a lot and I wish both of them the best, but I must say that I am leaning towards Pac winning by late TKO, but do not hold me to it because Marquez is not to be underestimated even at age 39.

PBC has $400M in investment money behind it. HBO can't hang. HBO can't hang? You obviously have no clue about what you are talking about. PBC is a mouse compared to the lion that is HBO. HBOs parent company is Time Warner which has $100 Billion in just assets not to mention investments.

Can one explain to me just how Mayweather is jealous of Pacquiao's success? All the while, he earns practically double what Pacquiao earns, on a per fight basis. This logic has me utterly confused :( http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201205/surprising-player-tops-nfl-salaries 50 Million for MP, no mention of FMJ.

Floyd didnt choose his words wisely.. He's repeated about taking the test so many times that he wasnt really answering the question about compromising the 50/50 split that Pacquiao wants. Unfortunately, that gives Bob Arum the opportunity to deflect & respond to what Floyd said vs addressing the real issue of the 50/50 split negotiations. Floyd should hire a spokesperson that pretty much knows how to speak common sense to the media at ALL TIMES. The real subject is pretty clear... Just bc Pacman's handlers blew his career up by matching him up with big names but past their prime, doesnt justify his demand of 50/50 split. He simply doesnt deserve the same amount that Floyd is getting. Make no mistake, we all want to see them fight so there's always going to be emotion & opinions involved. But once the dust clears and you follow the history of boxing & how the business works, its pretty obvious that Floyd is the cash cow of boxing, the face of boxing. Love him or hate him, the facts dont lie.. he has broke records in the boxing game & Pacman hasnt. Everything else is just irrelevant. With that being said.. I feel that Bob Arum is still the problem & not pacman or floyd. The issue isnt random blood & urine.. Bob Arum's cash cow of "top rank" is Manny Pacquiao. Boxing's cash cow is Floyd Mayweather. There's the difference right there. Bob Arum matches Pacman with other top rank fighters so he can win on both sides of the coin no matter who's victorious between the two fighter. Its not a mystery or surprise that Cotto got his biggest payday "after" he left Top Rank & Bob Arum. Think about that folks, the very first fight after leaving bob arum, cotto makes his biggest payday. So there's no need to talk trash about either fighter whether you're a floyd fan or pac fan. Both deserve credit where credit is due. If you're gonna talk trash about anyone, it should be Bob Arum for how he treats his fighters. MP did in fact break records, as in champion in 8 weight classes, which trumps FMJs champion in 5 weight classes. Both MP and FMJ have pulled about the same PPV sales in their last 5 fights. Whether you like or not, MP is the most popular boxer in the world, with multiple endorsements might I add(Nike, Hennessy, Dell, Samsung). MP is a worldwide superstar, so why would he not deserve a 50/50 split? The only record FMJ broke was the PPV record, and you have to give ODLH huge credit on that one.

They seem to mean less every passing year. Bradley just dumped his belt without a second thought. Bradley's move was a very much expected move as he would rather fight Pac for a sizable paycheck than his mandatory which was Ali. Nonetheless the WBO will have some kind of "special" belt to headline the fight.

Kathy Duva You know Kathy Duva is a freak! I would smash that ginger gilf all day long!

Great Fight! Really fun fight to watch! Abner Mares looked great, quite possibly his best fight up to date.

Face it, he would have made a lot less taking on the role of the humble hero. The villain brings excitement and drama into play. Face it? Is that your argument? Please, give yourself a little more credit than that. Tiger Woods is the perfect example on what a good or bad perception can do to a athlete. Before he was found out to be a cheating bastard he was the highest paid athlete in the world, thanks to endorsements. How many did he lose when he got caught? Same goes for Kobe Bryant's career when he got accused of rape. Micheal Phelps just smoked a little weed and lost most of his endorsements. Americans love drama yes it is true, but they love a hero a lot more my friend. Any athlete, celebrity, even company and corporations stand to earn a lot more from a positive perception than a negative one and that is not an opinion.

Professional boxers r usually very tough guys . I don't like when people marginalize GGG KO streak . Most journey men who are ranked 10th or 15th by any given sanctioning body are difficult to KO , so when we see someone who's knocking out or stopping Rosado (who's extremely tough) and Stevens then it's nothing to sneeze at . Do I think GGG should be tested against tougher opponents like Ward and Canelo = Absulutely . But do I think he's overrated = Absoluteley Not . No more than I think Wilder is overrated for his very high KO streak , even though we probably couldn't name most of the opponents on his record. Instead of attempting to maginalize what they r doing in the ring , I think the real question we should be asking is r these Eastern Europeans clean fighter or r they taking some new undetected enhancement that is giving them inordinate power . While I totally agree with you on how these so called fans marginalize any boxer's accomplishment I think your assumption or presumption of Eastern Europeans being dirty is completely wrong. The reason these guys are totally dominating in the heavier divisions is the same reason Cubans dominate in the smaller divisions; its their long and very successful amateur careers. GGG said it best when he said its not really power but technique on how to land that makes the difference. Most boxers today have no idea how to box, they have horrible fundamentals, promotional companies lock these young guys up and baby them to make the most amount of money, so when they actually do get challenged they get exposed. These days a boxer that actually throws jabs is like the freakin' Lock Ness monster. ITS A JAB, on of the most important if not the most important punches in boxing and very few boxers actually use it, that is insane! Back to my point, Kovalev was 195-18 in the amateurs, GGG was 345-5, Lomanchenko was 396-2, and so on. These guys have tons of experience and actually learned the fundamentals of boxing which is why they look so good. Not only do they have a lot of experience but when they go pro they are usually 25 years of age or older so their bodies are fully developed and primed. Fact is I love boxing and I hate when people jump to conclusions. If a guy is good, let him be good and don't assume the worst because he is good. Appreciate boxers for what they do and enjoy the show. I get so upset when so-called fans call boxers tomato cans or bums as if they could ever do better. Fact is most fans have never even stepped in the ring and I would bet my paycheck people that call any boxer a bum would get murdered by that bum in the ring. If you can do better by all means get in the ring and prove us wrong... but I digress from my point. These guys are good because they train and have experience point blank.

Oscar has run GBP into the ground without Schaefer. Schaefer was the brains and the business man at GBP and Oscar was the pretty face and glad hander smiling but doing little. Without Schaefer GBP will fail. Hispanics cannot run any business but yard work and fruit stands and drug dealing. Oscar needs to hire a brain who can think and add fgor GBP to survive. Watch what happens at the floundering GBP.. Usually I am not a negative person, especially on forums but God, you are a despicable human being. One day you will realize that ignorant sh*t like that makes you look petty and outright ridiculous. People like you make me completely sick and should be treated as a pariah to the sport of boxing and society in general; you sit behind a computer and spew garbage because you aren't held accountable. Not only are you a petty human being but you are a coward. The messed up thing about people like you is that you go and have children and you raise them thinking the same ignorant sh*t that you think which makes the same vicious circle continue. The lovely thing about people like you is that karma is a ***** and always comes back to bite you in the ass. Hopefully your daughter marries a Hispanic man so he can f*ck that level of thinking out of her. :*******:

Golovkin: I Look Forward To Fighting Cotto-Geale Winner Of course you do. I know it wets your appetite to fight a fighter you already KOed or a undersize welterweight masquerading as a middleweight instead of stepping your competition and fighting the Son of God. You see Golovkin, you realize that Ward will punch back and has the ring IQ to mitigate your cavemen like offense. You know this though so that why fight the winner of Cotto/Geale appeases you. Andre Ward is your mirror reflection, you can't hide forever. By your logic wouldn't Ward be doing the same thing in fighting undersized fighters if he fought GGG? Shouldn't Ward step up his competition and fight Kovalev or Stevenson? If Andre Ward was GGG's mirror reflection wouldn't that mean that he fights just like GGG just southpaw? Your logic is just as flawed as your pre pubescent metaphors.

On Saturday night, HBO premiered the second episode of their latest 24/7 series, focusing on the June 9th Manny Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley battle. While Pacquiao, the reigning WBO welterweight champion of the world, is a very familiar face to the 24/7 franchise, this is Bradley’s first go-round and the Palm Springs, California native has thus far been leaving a memorable impression because of his brash nature and good guy mentality. Click Here To Read More] Everyone says this when they do not have a following. If he was very popular he would have a different opinion.

He said that they would be much more committed to May 5 since Marquez is Mexican. Please show me where he said that, because like I said, I can't find it anywhere.

Cotto beat Geale faster than GGG....GGG is 34...you're not too good with facts are you? If they strip Canelo, they get one big step closer to unification. Unification means that anyone who rises at MW will have to face Golovkin. How hard is it for people to see the value in unification? While the Canelo payday would be nice, GGG doesn't NEED the $$$. At this point Canelo refusing to defend his belt at the division weight limit against his mandatory is a clear duck. Take his belt and make him look like a chicken**** and if he's fine not fighting for a title for as long as GGG's champ then so be it. Lara is irrelevant until he steps up and does something at MW (Hello, Danny Jacobs). Never mind the fact that he's barely fought, but Ward hasn't made 168 in years and would outweigh GGG by at least 10lbs in the ring at this point but in some people's eyes Golovkin should take that fight completely on Ward's terms. To clarify...Canelo who holds the lineal MW title, is mandated by the WBC to fight GGG at MW and normally enters the ring heavier than GGG asks for GGG to come down to 155 at a 90/10 split. GGG says "no thanks"...While Ward's barely gotten in the ring the past few years, can't sell out his hometown, last fought on BET in front of 300k has since moved up to LHW because he can't make 168 easily. He wanted GGG to make a yearlong commitment, take a big weight disadvantage, and give him an even 50/50 split. These sound like good deals to you? Or even acceptable ones? I think these are both great fights and would love to see them, but if you can't understand why these are nonstarters for GGG, you're just a hater whose emotions are getting the best of your logical side. Why not say what most of the haters really mean - you want to see GGG at such a disadvantage that you think he stands the greatest chance of losing? I'll admit I'm a fan of GGG (I like Canelo and Ward, too) and that some of the fanboyism out there can be pretty obnoxious, but the overreaction in the opposite direction is just getting to be ridiculous. If he decides to take the risk, fine, but to expect him to bend over for everyone when he doesn't have to is a standard no other fighter is asked to live up to. Ultimately, Golovkin's going to be around for at least another 4 years. We'll see where it all shakes out. That's at least 10 more fights to get names on his resume. I'm not happy that he's fighting Wade next either but I see the value in unification. If at this time next year, he's not fought a Jacobs, Lara, Canelo, Degale, even Ward etc..maybe i'll be done with it. But, as of now, I have a feeling he'll end up closer to ATG status than HYPEJOB. Very good comment sir I would agree with you. Boxing does make crazy fans but like you stated it gets to the point of being subjective and obnoxious.

Just sayin' Comparing fighters from different times is like comparing apples to oranges people. While they are both fruit, its just not the same; you just can't compare both of them. There are way too many variables: sports science, weight, styles, etc., getting into this type of argument goes nowhere. With that said Floyd is not some boogeyman, while I give the man total credit for what he has done for himself and I respect his ability, and it is quite the ability, he is not unbeatable. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvX6kQIW0cDE0Tp3u79r1lvJ_B-hEqKx0Hnr40bDUpxs7ZlerWWA