Is Pacquiao the great P4P King of the modern era?

With out a doubt Pacquiao is the great P4P King of the modern era. 1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Roy Jones Jr. 3 Pernell Whitaker 4 Julio C. Chavez 5. Bernard Hopkins 6. Oscar De La Hoya 7. Floyd Mayweather 8. Shane Mosley

im not sure pacquiao is the p4p best anymore. a couple of years ago, after a mayweather fight, id think mayweather would beat pacquiao. and after a pacquiao fight id think he would beat mayweather. but the last few fights have been bobbins to say the least for pacquiao. fights with mosley and margarito have done nothing for him other than add another alphabet title in another weight class. he arguably just lost to marquez aswell so pacman needs to pull his finger out if he wants to claim he is the best in the world.

I'm assuming by modern era people are not discussing the 90s, because there's no other reason Roy wouldn't be leading this poll.

Of course it does....but it takes more than just that I agree. 4 lineal titles, 8 weight divisions, 3 FOTY and 1 FOTD awards adds up. Besides a fewer HOF on Whitaker's resume, what else is there? RJJ has FOTD and weight division titles, so RJJ has a case. You can insist on McCallum being a ATG all you want. It's just reaching Dan. Toney is no ATG either. He is a HOF....just like Mosley. We can talk about he's out of prime this, too raw that about Pacquiao but it can also be said about both Pernell and Roy. Not if they're a shell of themselves, it doesn't. Whitaker was arguably the fighter of the 90's. Many consider him to be. Of course Roy Jones has a case :lol1: As does Whitaker. You can't say "they don't have a case" they have more than a case. I can't see how McCallum isn't an ATG. It's not reaching at all, he has an exceptional resume. Toney probably has less of a case than McCallum. Although, he is an ATG also. He really isn't comparable to Mosley :lol1: Neither of them. Absolutely. I said that in my post. I said that McCallum was shot to pieces when Roy Jones fought him. He doesn't get credit for that win despite it being a win over an ATG.

MacCallum is no ATG. Hopkins is indeed a great ATG...probably above RJJ when everything has settled down in like 50 years. Toney is a HOF not an ATG. Azumah is borderline ATG and it's a draw with JCC (yeah I know he won). Pacquiao ATG opponents defeated ----> Morales, Barrera HOF-----> Mosley, DLH. Borderline HOF-----> JMM, (Hatton?), Cotto. If Virgil Hill can get to HOF, so can Oscar Larios. Mike McCallum is absolutely an ATG. As is James Toney. Azumah Nelson is also an ATG and as you said about Chavez, he won. As for Larios and Hill I wouldn't say that but I wouldn't vote for Virgil Hill to be in the HOF anyway. As for Pacquaio, Cotto and Hatton aren't HOF'ers IMO but the rest I agree with but as you can see Roy Jones has beaten more ATG's on paper than Pacquaio and Whitaker has also but that's just a title. McCallum was shot to pieces when Roy Jones fought him and Morales was well passed his prime when Pacquaio beat him and of course the third time. And Mosley and Oscar have obvious question marks next to them aswell. Just because a fighter beat an ATG or an HOF doesn't make it anything special it depends where they are in their career. Jimmy McLarnin has Benny Leonard on his resume but does it mean anything? No. But even then, Roy Jones and Whitaker have beaten more or the same amount of ATG's as Pacquiao anyway, not that that matters or means anything. Like I said, I rank them both ahead of Pacquaio, personally.

How many ATG and HOF did Whitaker and Roy beat? What are their other achievements that is above Pacquiao? On paper, Roy Jones beat 3 ATG's - Hopkins, Toney, McCallum and an argubale HOF'er - Virgil Hill And Whitaker beat 2 ATG's - Azumah Nelson and Chavez. Both are above Pacquaio on the ATG list IMO.

RJJ.... nuff said.

Worst your BI TCH idol couldnt beat the same lightweight without weight cheating his ass and forced to wear extra 12 lbs fat suit . lmao http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_led801Z87o1qdlkgg.gif

yeah, if a shot and exhausted Shane Mosley can buckle Floyd, just imagine what Pacquiao would do to him. Floyd knows too, that's why he won't get in the ring with him. i don't know why all you dummys are thinking pac will just KTFO floyd once he lands a punch... where is this coming from? i responded to some idiot making this same sort of claim on another thread. and never got a response ... here ... So Mosley KO'd Vargas, Mayorga, Margarito, and just about everyone in his 135 lbs days.... obviously showing that he has some pop in his punches.... he lands a clean punch on floyd and floyd BUCKLES, doesn't go down, BUT HE BUCKLES him. So that means that floyd can't take a punch??? ok, let me know if you don't get it.... mosley hits many people clean, they go down. he hits floyd clean, he gets wobbled, but stays up. clears his head and dominates.... that, to me would seem like the guy can take a punch. or are you actually dumb and you just can't comprehend that? i does seem like that's actually a possibility though. Now to Pac... this one punch KO artist that you talk about.... did he knockout Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, Morales, Clottey, or De La Hoya??? It was the accumulation of punches that did damage.. and that was only on Margarito, Cotto, and Oscar. Even the smaller guy in Marquez took his shots and kept coming. Of his recent fights, he KO'd Hatton. Now is that saying much? Not really! Floyd stopped Hatton... remember that check hook that sent him into the ring post?? didn't have much force behind it. Then after his Floyd fight, Hatton fought Juan Lazcano... do you remember that?? or do you only watch fights with pacquiao in them? Well... check this out. Hatton is such a great boxer and hard to hit, that after he fought Juan Lazcano, his face ended up looking like this .... http://www.independent.co.uk/migration_catalog/article6137077.ece/ALTERNATES/w380/Pg-52-hatton-getty.jpeg Now does that look like someone who's able to avoid punches???? exactly... so my point is that the only person in his last 7 fights that he actually KO'd with one punch was Hatton... so that really ain't saying much. So where does this logic that you've come up with that if Pac hits floyd with a single punch then he's gonna KO him instantly??? B/c i really don't understand..... Care to enlighten? how bout you provide some facts not just biased a** pac-c0ck sucking logic... And if I remember correctly, Pac's the one that actually been KO'd... not once but twice! -cheers

Again it's not my point, it's Juan Manuel Marquez's. He went into detail about how his preparation was affected for FMJ and how he got his training completely wrong for the step up (two divisions wasn't it?). He also explained how he'd changed things in preparation for the Pacquiao fight, don't believe me then go watch it but I know you won't because you don't want to hear the truth :) You mention Cotto, maybe 145lbs did affect Cotto, but Manny Pacquiao stopped him and beats him at 140lbs, 147lbs and 154lbs that much is clear. He beats Mayweather at all those weights too, that's why ya boy won't take the fight for love nor money. Manny beats Cotto at any weight but yet doesn't want to fight him at his best weight.. :rofl: Manny got his azz beat by a 38year old but yea he still stops Floyd at any weight.. :rofl:

So you believe the Marquez that schooled Pacquiao again last year would beat Mayweather? Or even win a round? I'm merely relaying JM Marquez's own views on his preparation for that fight for the Flomos. I think JMM would probably do a little better in a rematch as he's an intelligent fighter but the truth is he doesn't belong at the higher weight. Yeah he beat Pacquiao as he has him figured out but I can see him struggling against other natural WW and JWWs, even some of the more average ones.

Again it's not my point, it's Juan Manuel Marquez's. He went into detail about how his preparation was affected for FMJ and how he got his training completely wrong for the step up (two divisions wasn't it?). He also explained how he'd changed things in preparation for the Pacquiao fight, don't believe me then go watch it but I know you won't because you don't want to hear the truth :) You mention Cotto, maybe 145lbs did affect Cotto, but Manny Pacquiao stopped him and beats him at 140lbs, 147lbs and 154lbs that much is clear. He beats Mayweather at all those weights too, that's why ya boy won't take the fight for love nor money. So you believe the Marquez that schooled Pacquiao again last year would beat Mayweather? Or even win a round?

And Cotto also said 145 lbs affected him......there goes your point homie. 145 was not the reason Cotto lost to Manny. And Marquez didn't all of a sudden become better 2 years later at 144. You think he didn't train hard enough for the biggest fight of his life against Floyd??? Get the f**k outta here. Again it's not my point, it's Juan Manuel Marquez's. He went into detail about how his preparation was affected for FMJ and how he got his training completely wrong for the step up (two divisions wasn't it?). He also explained how he'd changed things in preparation for the Pacquiao fight, don't believe me then go watch it but I know you won't because you don't want to hear the truth :) You mention Cotto, maybe 145lbs did affect Cotto, but Manny Pacquiao stopped him and beats him at 140lbs, 147lbs and 154lbs that much is clear. He beats Mayweather at all those weights too, that's why ya boy won't take the fight for love nor money.

lol Marquez said it himself, I guess he'd be on your ignore list on NSB. But only one was named fighter of the decade ;) And Cotto also said 145 lbs affected him......there goes your point homie. 145 was not the reason Cotto lost to Manny. And Marquez didn't all of a sudden become better 2 years later at 144. You think he didn't train hard enough for the biggest fight of his life against Floyd??? Get the f**k outta here.

Pernell is Incredibly Underappreiced on this forum. For me it goes Roy, Pernell and then Floyd. Pernell has to be one of the most underrated guys on here. It probably stems from the fact that he wasn't flashy and "exciting", and most of these cats on here didn't watch boxing back then.

Your opinion of Floyd drives every opinion you have on the sport. You're not the worst here though to be fair. I started watching boxing in 1979 and will watch long after floyd retires for real. My opinions about boxing are based on being a 30 year fan of this sport.

Your personal opinion about floyd as a person seems to drive your answers in these types of threads. But you are entitled to your opinion. As I said, picking pernell is fine with me. Does that make you a sweet pea bumsniffer? Your opinion of Floyd drives every opinion you have on the sport. You're not the worst here though to be fair.

Pernell was just a better fighter imo. I'm no expert on Feeling about Floyd as I dont live on planet bumsniff, but perhaps you could give us all an insight! Your personal opinion about floyd as a person seems to drive your answers in these types of threads. But you are entitled to your opinion. As I said, picking pernell is fine with me. Does that make you a sweet pea bumsniffer?

without a doubt the most overrated great in modern era in that time frame 2008-present Pacquiao fought #1 ranked in the division only once and we all know Hatton wasn't the same anymore. fought at 3 catchweight and another 2 of his opponent had to come down a division

I think I'd give a slight edge to floyd but if you go sweet pea I'd have no problem. Unless of course the posters opinion is based more on how they feel about floyd rather than an honest asessement of each fighters skill set. Pernell was just a better fighter imo. I'm no expert on Feeling about Floyd as I dont live on planet bumsniff, but perhaps you could give us all an insight!