It's a major fight. But in the end, it's one fight. Haymon has the bulk of the world's top boxing talent under his wing. U don't go alienating the top guy in boxing over one fight. It really doesn't make sense. Mind u, it's really not on Haymon to make the fight so why hold him responsible? IF they wanted to stop working with Haymon, it would have very little to do with mayweather and more to do with his move to other networks. Haymon boxing is the future, like it or not. U don't mortgage the future for one fight. These guys are smart business men. They don't think like fans. They think based on money.
They do, that's why they need this fight. Why hasn't' boxing on network tv? Because people stopped watching. For network programming to work it needs millions of viewers. Only way to sell the advertising. There are not enough die hard boxing fans to keep boxing on regular tv. They need the every day person to watch too in order for it to work. This fight brings all eyes back to boxing. The masses will tune in and hopefully be drawn to boxing and once again popular enough for network tv. Without the fight you're trying to sell a fringe sport to the masses. And it won't work. Because boxing will be extremely unpopular with the masses if this fight isn't made. Watch the backlash on boxing if this fight doesn't get made
Is it that, or is it just because HBO and Sho simply paid more for the rights to it?
I would venture that HBO and Sho pick boxing up because people watch it, in the same way Sky picks it up in the UK.
The money is on network television, thats where every sport wants to be. That's why the NFL, NBA, college football, are all on network. That's where the money is. If boxing brought in viewers like those sports do. It would still be on network. They dont, that's why boxing is on HBO and Showtime
floyd's never fought a 15 rounder in his career, but he'd beat a guy in a 15 round fight who has? i can't see anyway that he beats hearns.
last i recall duran and leonard fought more than that one time he quit. by that same token anyone could be of the opinion that cotto gave floyd his toughest fight since forever so duran would have busted his ass cause he was so much better at everything that cotto does best.
i don't think he would have lasted against hagler in a 15 rounder.
i say this as a person who believes that floyd is the most talented boxer that ever walked the face of the earth, but he's a guy that started at super featherweight; at some point not only does the weight catch up to you, but the gap in ability closes when you start talking about atg's like leonard hearns and duran.
I'm one of those that thinks the Cotto fight shows just good Floyd truly is, he fought a great fight and clearly won but it was not a wipe out! And that's because of the class of Cotto and that's a Cotto that has seen better days! At his best Floyd Is a great fighter but he loses to the greats in this conversation! If Cotto busted him up, these guys take him out!
PLEAS PLEASE PLEASE name these "true elite fighters" he chose to stay away from?
I'll wait...
Please don't be one of those guys! Was Guerro the best fighter available? Ortiz? De la Hoya, was the last fighter on top of the sport that fought the best fighter available! Take away the word elite, just think of making the biggest fights in boxing! He's his own boss, he decides who he fights! That's his word! And he decides to fight guys he knows he can beat! Period point plank! Oscar went to 160 to fight Hopkins! You think he had to take that fight? He fought Floyd, you think he had to take that fight? No! But he did, to challenge himself! Truly call himself the best! Not fight average fighters and call himself the greatest of all time! Get real! Floyd calls the shots now, and if he keeps giving these BS excuses when it comes to anyone that can truly push him to be great in the ring! Making stupid statements like after I beat so and so, they will just want me to fight someone else! Of course they will! That's the game! Maybe Jordan should have stopped at one ring! Maybe Lebron should quit now! As long as you are in the game you got to keep proving it year after year! That's the game, you don't like it! Retire! But stop running your mouth if you're not gonna step up, sad thing is his fans got just as many excuses as he does!
I'm 45, and remember watching and becoming a fan of Leonard at the '76 Olympics and watching his entire career, including the fights against Duran, Hearns, Hagler, etc...and imo, Floyd is better than all of those guys.
Leonard's boxing ability made Duran quit. Floyd would have not only outboxed him, but counterpunched him to death. Floyd's D and conditioning would have given him the nod against Leonard. Hearns vs. Floyd would have been interesting until Floyd started timing him and potshotting him and taking him to the late rounds and started toying with him due to conditioning. Hearns might have stood a chance with Mayweather in a 12 rd fight, but not 15 rds.
Mayweather would have outskilled Hagler also.
You can't be serious? I don't post much and I'm never disrespectful but you can't be serious. Mayweather may have been competive, as skilled in ways but not better! I think he's more skilled and physically gifted than a Duran or Hagler but both of those guys beat him in a fight! Maybe he beats Duran, two out of three like Leonard but I doubt that because Leonard had to step into the fire to win and I don't see that from Floyd! He's a gifted fighter but its not his skill that keeps him out of the conversation with the greats, it's his heart!
Who do you think would've been the smarter fighter though? Floyd or Hearns?
Go back and watch some Hearns fights! It don't matter how smart Floyd is, he gets destroyed! Matter of fact he doesn't even take the fight! Floyd had nothing to stop Hearns from coming and Hearns had dynamite in his hands. 6ft 1 with a heavy wieght reach, it's a no contest!
Floyd didn't use a weight advantage against Marquez and we know he didn't outweigh by lbs or more like Canelo would have on him. Weight would play more of a factor in that fight.
Like Bushbaby said, there are too many excuses on Floyd threads from his supporters. He can fight a guy coming up TWO weight classes but he can't go up one? Please! He's supposedly the best fighter in the world! So fight the man at 154. It's the biggest money fight available. He doesn't have arum, drug testing, or purse blocking the fight! Make the fight! Ya'll talk about Floyd and De la Hoya but if Oscar was anything like Floyd, Floyd would never have gotten his shot at the PPV king because anything that seems like a challenge doesn't seem to Interest Floyd. Oscar fought in and made the biggest fights out there when he was on top! Floyd gives you Guerro! That's a joke
He missed the weight by 2 pounds and he never balloons up to much after weigh in so that rumor of him being 160 is bs Marquez has never said it was the weight that made him lose it was skill.
but as for having a damn near twenty pound advantage isn't cool if he can make a clause that he can only rehydrate to 165 then the fight should take place.
Do you know how much Floyd weighed? No you don't, so he could be weighed anything but since he says he never balloons up, that's fact, right? Man please. Skip the fact that the man came up two weight classes to begin with. When Floyd has all the advantages it's acceptable but when one thing goes against he has every excuse from his fans not to fight. It's comical
my thread was about the money team, not just floyd in particular, this isnt right... someone should reverse the mod decision and put me back into green for being unfairly treated when i see people making new floyd threads every day
You showed you own hypocrisy in side stepping the Marquez issue, he outweighed a fighter coming up divisions. Yet there is no outrage but he has no reason to fight the best money fight available one divison up? If he's the best prove it! That's all we ask! He made the statement Espn that he doesn't of hasn't taken fights because his legacy is in tact and that if he beats these fighters the fans and media want him to fight, they will just create another! Guess what? Reality check, yes they will! That's the game. When you are in top everyone comes for you! Like in Football, basketball or any other sport! You don't play champiship games against guys that lost in the first round of the playoffs. D-1 schools don't play junior colleges in championship games either! That's for a reason. But that's Floyd, he is the Heat wanting to play the Bobcats in the finals every year! I'm not personally asking him to concede anything to Canelo, but it's like when Oscar fought Hopkins! To make the big fights, you do what you have to! Challenge yourself to truly be the best. Stop fighting B and C level competition everyone knows your going to be when the contracts are signed! And if Canelo and Pac are easy work! Prove it! Stop saying it and prove it
They will fight at 154; but who's a challenge and why
I think Canelo at 154 is a challenge because a guy with size, that can pressure Floyd will bother him, and force him to fight a less comfortable fight than he's used to. And if there is a blueprint to beat him, I think its sustained aggressive pressure from a lager fighter that he can't control distance on. I'm one that says I'm happy he never fought Margarito because of the whole plaster thing but the reason his camp turned that fight down was margarito's pressure, chin, and reach! Same things Canelo could use against him if they fight, plus the kid brings a decent skill set
147 Pac is a challenge, because of shear hand speed and punching power. Cotto proved Floyd can be touched and hit cleanly! Floyd showed in his last fight he will concentrate more on defense than he did in Cotto fight but I think Pac could touch him and make him pay when he does!
I just don't want to see him in with Alexander or Khan, especially not Khan.
look at his 30 day weigh in weights and tell me that floyd balloons up on fight night ... at 30 days out against guerrero floyd was 148, but im supposed to believe that hes 160+ on fight nights? cmon son
mayweather is taller than canelo and has a longer reach ... also, canelo is not a pressure fighter (he has serious stamina issues) and his chin is completely untested
I can see what youre reaching for, but let me be clearer! i was talking about Margarito's advantages. AND Canelo has a decent chin that's been hit by harder punchers than Floyd, and that he can apply pressure! He's not the pressure fighter all the time that Margarito was, put when formulating a fight plan for this particular fight, I'm sure his camp will want him to apply intelligent pressure on Floyd. Cut off the ring and stay close, closing the distance and attacking often! The fact that Floyd has a height and reach advantage only bolsters the fact that this is a fight that he has no excuse not to take! But for his fans, the weight seems to be too much of a disadvantage to Floyd
You're hoping and wishing. You people want Mayweather to lose so bad that you'll pump up anybody who is potentially a threat. Canelo is not a pressure fighter. His stamina issues are well known. He was visibly fatigued in the fight with Trout while only throwing 36 punches per round. He hasn't shown anything that would make a reasonable fan think that he will be able to chase Mayweather around the ring pressuring him for 12 rounds. The only reason that you're hyping up Canelo as if Floyd has to fight him to prove himself is because he's clearly bigger and stronger. Skill wise, he's not seeing Mayweather and you know it.
What you need to understand is that it's not up to the fans as far as what Mayweather does or doesn't do. If Floyd wants to take the fight he'll take it, if he doesn't he won't. The size difference may be an issue to Floyd or it might not be, soon we'll all find out. You seem to be irritated that some fans understand why the size/weight difference might be an issue for Mayweather.
My irritation is with fans just like you. Floyd can beat everybody, but he doesn't actually have to fight the most dangerous fighter at the time to prove that. The word you used is correct! Threat! Fight anyone that's an actual threat. Paul Williams in his time, Pac, now Canelo, fight someone with a chance! Some kind of advantage. Make it interesting for the fans! Floyd doesn't have to fight anyone because I said so or any fan, but I promise you this! He won't get many more 32 million dollar plus pay days fighting the Robert Guerros of boxing and the numbers prove that! The next PPV will do worse if he doesn't step up! But lets see it your way, we don't even need to fight the fights, he can beat Canelo no problem, so fight Khan cuz that will surely prove how great Floyd is
look at his 30 day weigh in weights and tell me that floyd balloons up on fight night ... at 30 days out against guerrero floyd was 148, but im supposed to believe that hes 160+ on fight nights? cmon son
mayweather is taller than canelo and has a longer reach ... also, canelo is not a pressure fighter (he has serious stamina issues) and his chin is completely untested
Forgot the weight thing. Marquez came up two divisions to fight Floyd! Meaning he had to gain weight to even get there. He looked out of shape and slow! He didn't gain any extra weight or rehydrate because he had already tapped out! Floyd missed weight and rehydrated as he normally does! I don't mean ballon like he weighed 170 fight night but if you don't think he had a significant size and weight advantage that night over Marquez, you are lying to yourself!
You might want to get a little educated yourself, before commenting.
People are going to unload cash on Mayweather, but they're not going to do so until the Mexicans hit Vegas and unload on Canelo.
Just holding out for a better line. 100% standard if you're looking to bet on the favorite in a boxing match.
Apparently he's not the only one that knows nothing about a sports book.
Don't be too harsh! They are both a little right and a little wrong! The line shows the book is hedging its bet right now. If they were sure. really really sure of a Mayweather win they could easily be 3:1, 2.5:1, because that would give Mexican fans and guys that love to bet the underdog even more incentive to fill the book with cash! 2:1 keeps the gamblers in but doesn't kill you if Mayweather loses! Mayweather supporters are gonna lay large money bets, while most Canelo betters are gonna place smaller bets. Keeping the house safe even if Floyd loses. the book worries alot about the upset, believe me. So the odds stay close on the off chance that Canelo pulls the upset, becasue the book would take a bath! So 2:1 is a safe bet and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets even closer as the fight nears! Think about the Donaire-Rigo line! I know a few guys that made out like fat rats betting in Rigo, not because they even know boxing but because they saw the line and just bet the underdog. Lucky for the book Rigo has no fan base, or that would have been a nightmare. Imagine that line in this fight and what would happen if Canelo won?
You basically just said the same thing I did.
Forgive me if I miss understood but thought you were saying the line will get better to bet on Canelo, and I disagree! The line will stay the same or become smaller! It's as good as it gets right now to bet on Canelo, that line is not going up! That's my opinion, the next few days will tell the tale! Why would the book give Canelo betters better odds if they are already gonna lay the money down at two to one? It's still gambling and still boxing where anything can happen? Why risk it
Spence doesn't seem like the type of guy that would put his sparring partners on the spot, he's a humble guy.
And putting your sparring partners on blast is probably the fastest way to find himself out of job! He'll keep quiet so he keeps getting paid! Plus he's got to be learning a ton in that gym. Why mess that up bragging about a sparring session?
We're talking about him aren't we???
Yeah but not from his mouth! So why say anything? He's getting the buzz and like you said we're talking about him with out him saying a thing! And he'll keep it that way
Jackson-Graham go to about 2:15
Lol! That commentator is hilarious!!! "OH NOO, that's what we were worried about! He's not getting up from that"! CLASSIC!
Now I believe Zab's story that the Garcia crew called the cops on him in Cali! I mean seriously, Who's gonna kill you in a store full of people? Man is delusional!
Seriously... come forward, wing 1 shot at a time. LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT
Dude reminded me of George Foreman at his worst.
The only difference... George foreman actually tried to set up his shots...
Danny Garcia is going to get run over by Matthysse in a bad way.
One of the most entertaining/brutal fights ever!
Cotto should fight Canelo and take his belt. Winner gets Martinez when returns next year.
I'm a HUGE Cotto fan but he should stay away from Canelo. Martinez is the fight to make. I'd be surprised if Martinez's injuries sideline him long. They sounded more like excuses for a lackluster performance than anything that would sideline him. That fight for Cotto is more winnable than Canelo and its a title in another wieght division for him! Hope that's his next move
dumb ass read the bold, you idiot, my point has nothing to do with the fact that juanma has been fighting tomato cans. any one with objectivity can see that.
are you some sort of nostradamus to know to future? STFU if you can't read and comprehend a complete thought. Can you tell me what my point was in my original post? Lets see your redeem your self.
Wow! That's alot of venom for such little substance! The only part of your comment I responded to was you saying that jaunma would make a better showing at 126! My point is that that is BS! Because he won't fight anyone that would prove that he was any better! Everything else is just my opinion and my points, nothing to do with the rest of your idiotic thoughts or ideas written in your post!
HAha called it! :) ud mothafukas whos the real deal now lol Rigotards where right!
It's gonna be quiet! None of the Rigo is gonna get blown out will have the decency to show up and say they had it all wrong! Rigo is the truth! Plain and simple
but you do see a fight with pac and mosely after pac ducked him in every way possible? mosely was willin to give up one of his kids to fight pac. These pac fans are blind and dumb as sh*t!
I'm not coming at you directly because others have posted this same message! But PAC didn't duck Shane! He took a fight against the man that beat Shane! And I Dont think anyone should slam him for that! It's like poeple hear/read something and run with it before even thinking! Why fight Shane if you can fight the man that beat shane? True maybe his team thought cotto was the easier fight but cotto was a 1 loss belt holder and a damn stiff challenge in peoples mind for PAC, he deserved the shot just as much as Shane did! Shane would have been a worthy opponent no doubt but he didn't get ducked! The guy that beat him got his spot and that's what boxing SHOULD be about
also shane beat the guy by ko, that absolutley DESTROYED COTTO, SO your point is moot. cotto wasnt anywhere nearly the type of risk shane is . after what shane did to margarito whom was considered the best welter at the time face it pac just didnt want any. margaritos balls are bigger than pacs will ever be that much is clear, margarito already beat cotto and clottey, plus has faced williams and coutless others that pac would never even consider fighting. pac is manuvered as impressive as he is, hasnt risked it since jmm.[/
ok, man where to begin! First off my post is not in support of PAC! It's about the logic of some posters! I'll use your logic, PAC ducked Shane! In my my ost I admitted Shane was a very worthy opponent! But the fact of the matter is he lost his fight with cotto! On his record there is an L there! This is y records exist and rankings! So now we have cotto losing to Margarito! That makes it 1. Margarito 2. Cotto 3. Shane in the pecking order! Since Shane and margarito fought and Shane beat him u want to make him defacto #1. well u can't. Just like a tie in football you go to the head to head matchup in which Shane lost! So the next person in line to get a shot a PAC is cotto! Period! Take your emotion out of it and what you think! Maybe cotto is shot, it shouldn't matter, if he his, he's shot for being in that ring and bleeding for his place at the table to be in a position to earn that payday fighting PAC! And since Margarito was suspended and your choices are shane and cotto! Cotto should get the fight! Who the hell cares what you think! Guys fight to win their place allow a fighter that! Instead of seeing it as who got ducked see it as one one fighter gettin his due! That's what I'm saying! Take the hate out your heart and see a bigger picture! That's all I'm trying to get across in my post
Okay so the Ghost says Floyd cherrypicks his fights so i guess he also is sayin he himself is
cherrypicked right? And besides,Floyd is the main draw in all his fights so why should
he let someone tell him who he should fight? Haterz gonna Hate..
Man it's just like Paulie and Broner! Paulie knows they picked him because they view him as the weakest champ to come after! You think Paulie is not confident in himself and thinks of himself a real champ! I bet he does, but fact of the matter is he is the easiest way to a welterweight title and he understands that! Robert is a easier option for Floyd, you have to admit that, there are bigger challenges! But Floyd is not nor ever really seems interested in taking them! And that is like he said, "his prerogative"! But it's not always hate, it just is what it is
If you are NOT a professional boxer, how can you call any man who is a coward?
I am a fighter, but what does that have to do with it? And let's be clear! Coward is my opinion and I back it by his actions and his many words that go against his actions! Bottom line that we can both agree on I'm sure is that Floyd can or could make a fight happen with any fighter he wants! He has chosen to fight less than the stiffest opposition, and if you want to argue that point, prove me wrong! I was a fan, so this isn't hate! But since he came up to140 or heavier, he has fought no elite fighter in his prime! Choosing to beat fighters he knew and even fans knew he was far superior to! His skills are even superior to elite fighters at 147, but be has not yet or seems likely that he will in the future prove that in the ring! Only one reason y, no heart! And in my opinion and I stress opinion, no heart = coward!
Pacquiao walked away from the table when all he had to do
was accept random blood tests? What else was Floyd supposed
to do? Manny didn't want to fight. Plain and simple. Not Floyd's
fault now for not saying nothing because again, according to Kahn.
Pac STILL is not mentally ready to take the tests and fight Floyd.
Why should he keep going at Pac when Pac don't want to give
blood?
What do you mean, what else should he do? He should salvage his name! If someone was dragging your name thru the mud and almost 75% of the boxing community viewed you as a coward and the reason they are not getting the mega fight they want, what would you do? I'd hope you'd speak up and set the record straight! He hasn't and there has to reason. Just maybe it's because he doesn't want this fight or to fight period! Who knows! But say something! That's what he should do! You are fighting harder than he is to salvage his reputation and how he's viewed
You need to at least 5MIL to get in on this bet. That's how much other homie is throwing up. That's basically all of his points. Floyd was signed with Top Rank when Cotto was at 140. Floyd left after Arum didn't want to guarantee him a 20MIL fight with Oscar and 10MIL guarantees against Hatton and Cotto in order to fight Margarito. Floyd left and the Oscar fight happened. Not believing of buying Floyd ducked Cotto/Margarito when throughout his career he called out much better guys to fight after all of his fights. Cotto is tough but here are the things Floyd has over Cotto..... speed, foot work, stamina, defense, accuracy and mental strength. Floyd adjust if he is in trouble. Cotto has trouble doing that. If the fight goes past the 6th I can see Cotto having stamina issues. Once Floyd starts making Cotto miss and pay. He will most likely get discouraged. I think it will be a beating. Props to Cotto if he makes it competitive. Props to him anyway for taking the fight.
LOL! :) come on, you got to look out for the little fish too! Guess I have to start posting more and get my weight up. All Floyds advantages are what u say they are! But they still have to fight the fight And Cotto is not completely deficient in any of those skill sets. He's mentally tough no matter what some people may post! Hes a focused and determined guy. His career shows that. He's gonna show up to fight and he will win or Floyd will show how good he really is. Either way it's a win win and good for boxing in my humble opinion