Moonves to Espinoza - No Haymon unless Mayweather/Pacquiao

do people even stop to think here for just a minute? Moonves is going to cutoff Haymon and his enormous stable? It would essentially mean the end of showtime boxing and thereby lose millions of subscribers and potential ppv revenue. Haymon deals in bad faith...he did it with HBO, and he's done it with SHO. His "enormous stable" has a lot of filler in it. People get so impressed with the numbers he has signed...but how many real stars has he created in all his years of taking HBO and SHO for millions? It might end up being much worse for SHO to continue that kind of relationship than to start over with actual promoters...and maybe give the fans something better than the overpriced fights and bad mismatches SHO fans got most of last year. SHO has money and dates...which is exactly what promoters like GBP and Roc Nation need to attract new boxers. That's how GBP built itself up early on...by getting those guaranteed dates from HBO. I'm not saying SHO should follow that formula, but they could be smart about it and see if they can be more economical early on and start building something with GBP, Roc Nation, et al. They might also want to go back to something they did more of before...which is looking more at the foreign/european market.

do people even stop to think here for just a minute? Moonves is going to cutoff Haymon and his enormous stable? It would essentially mean the end of showtime boxing and thereby lose millions of subscribers and potential ppv revenue. Too late Haymon already signed for dates with NBC and Spike. Haymon knows Floyd will not make the deal and Moonves will fire him so he went another direction already.

I think its a bit different , they work on a different payment scheme , they count on the boxing fan to want to pay extra money for the sub (or ppv) , but to do 1-2 million viewers for the "free national network" is really bad , they need the casual fans to be in it as well , thats what PAC vs Floyd can do to boxing , get the casual fan interest , and maybe he (casual) will sit down and watch it instead of modern family/ NBA game / whatever. So what would be good numbers for Haymon's PBC? I'm expecting it to exceed Cunningham-Adamek which did 3 million viewers. Surely the model must work on some level if investors have poured millions of dollars into it...unless of course they are banking on Haymon's rumored boxing PPV WWE-style channel for which this network TV push could just be a forerunner.

Great if true. All this tells me that Showtime is going real hard to make this fight. Whats that noise? Ah, its a flip flop!:lol1:

Is it that, or is it just because HBO and Sho simply paid more for the rights to it? I would venture that HBO and Sho pick boxing up because people watch it, in the same way Sky picks it up in the UK. I think its a bit different , they work on a different payment scheme , they count on the boxing fan to want to pay extra money for the sub (or ppv) , but to do 1-2 million viewers for the "free national network" is really bad , they need the casual fans to be in it as well , thats what PAC vs Floyd can do to boxing , get the casual fan interest , and maybe he (casual) will sit down and watch it instead of modern family/ NBA game / whatever.

Is it that, or is it just because HBO and Sho simply paid more for the rights to it? I would venture that HBO and Sho pick boxing up because people watch it, in the same way Sky picks it up in the UK. The money is on network television, thats where every sport wants to be. That's why the NFL, NBA, college football, are all on network. That's where the money is. If boxing brought in viewers like those sports do. It would still be on network. They dont, that's why boxing is on HBO and Showtime

Haymon has the bulk of the world's top boxing talent under his wing. He really doesn't man, not even close. Top 10 fighters per division (Ring) HW - 2 CW - 0 LH - 3 SM - 3 MW - 3 LM - 7 WW - 6 JW - 3 LW - 3 JL - ? FW - 2(?) JF - 1(?) What he does have is a lot of US talent, which is why HBO is switching to showcasing the best talent from the rest of the world. But there are some top 10 US fighters he doesn't have too like Jennings, Hopkins, Ward, Andrade, Bradley, Algieri, Vargas, Herrera, Crawford, Diaz, Avalos etc.

They do, that's why they need this fight. Why hasn't' boxing on network tv? Because people stopped watching. For network programming to work it needs millions of viewers. Only way to sell the advertising. There are not enough die hard boxing fans to keep boxing on regular tv. They need the every day person to watch too in order for it to work. This fight brings all eyes back to boxing. The masses will tune in and hopefully be drawn to boxing and once again popular enough for network tv. Without the fight you're trying to sell a fringe sport to the masses. And it won't work. Because boxing will be extremely unpopular with the masses if this fight isn't made. Watch the backlash on boxing if this fight doesn't get made Is it that, or is it just because HBO and Sho simply paid more for the rights to it? I would venture that HBO and Sho pick boxing up because people watch it, in the same way Sky picks it up in the UK.

Where are the flo.mos at that were defending Espinoza on Saturday lol.

showtime had boxing before haymon and they will continue to have boxing after haymon, they are just not in the business for losing money... war moonves!!!

It's a major fight. But in the end, it's one fight. Haymon has the bulk of the world's top boxing talent under his wing. U don't go alienating the top guy in boxing over one fight. It really doesn't make sense. Mind u, it's really not on Haymon to make the fight so why hold him responsible? IF they wanted to stop working with Haymon, it would have very little to do with mayweather and more to do with his move to other networks. Haymon boxing is the future, like it or not. U don't mortgage the future for one fight. These guys are smart business men. They don't think like fans. They think based on money. They do, that's why they need this fight. Why hasn't' boxing on network tv? Because people stopped watching. For network programming to work it needs millions of viewers. Only way to sell the advertising. There are not enough die hard boxing fans to keep boxing on regular tv. They need the every day person to watch too in order for it to work. This fight brings all eyes back to boxing. The masses will tune in and hopefully be drawn to boxing and once again popular enough for network tv. Without the fight you're trying to sell a fringe sport to the masses. And it won't work. Because boxing will be extremely unpopular with the masses if this fight isn't made. Watch the backlash on boxing if this fight doesn't get made

Let's all be clear on something...Haymon has already burned some bridges with HBO...He may be making deals all over the place right now but what happens when ratings don't come back in favor of his fights? What is the rating threshold that NBC and Spike is looking for to call this experiment a success?? NBC, Spike and probably BET are paying out a looooottttttt of money to Haymon and they are going to expect huge ratings...if that does not happen, Al has to go crawling back to HBO and Showtime...which brings me to my latest point...I seriously doubt he wants to piss off Moonves....and word gets out...Al probably made this deal with NBC in a hurry because he knew his name would start to become **** once he screwed over Les Moonves....

Al haymon is using other people's money buying this airtime on cable,, he is gambling on being able to land a huge TV contract in the future.. If he can't get the ad revenue to justify the cost, and to generate a return to the private equity guys, haymon is gonna be screwed.. Hbo won't touch him, and after this year if floyd is really done, we won't have a cash cow anymore.. He would be wise to not totally burn bridges with showtime... Besides, floyd has 2 fights left, why wouldn't all cash him vs manny.. Just too much money to be made Floyds fear and lack of balls is more than 100million, he will have sleepless nights if he losses to manny!

This is fcking sad....They have to do all this nonsense to get a guy in the ring and make the most money he has ever made in his life.....The same guy who guys by the nickname Money

Great if true. All this tells me that Showtime is going real hard to make this fight.

So much for Espinoza not getting canned if the fight don't happen Fl0mos proved wrong yet again :nonono:

So much for Espinoza not getting canned if the fight don't happen

Poor Espinoza. He can't even have a decent talk with a 37 year old man who still behaves like a 12 year old kid. It appears that the CBS chief relies on Espinoza heavily to deliver the goods. How can he with a scared individual?

From the Hausser Report, 3/4 down, says he's hearing reports that Moonves is putting a hold on any further Haymon fights unless Mayweather/Pacquiao is made and that's why Showtime programming has nothing at the moment. http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/20178-the-hauser-report-january-notes The exact quote is: "There are reports that Moonves has instructed Espinoza to not give dates to Haymon unless and until Mayweather-Pacquiao is made. That would explain why Showtime has so little programming in place for this year."

well that's confirmation that floyd's side is blocking the fight then. Hopefully they are really trapped in a corner now and simply have to sign. Showtime must be fed up with losing money on him.