This may be true but it doesn't mean Ward has to travel to England, any neutral location should suffice.
Why? When he does certain folks will just call him bitter/angry when he gives his honest opinion that he still beats Froch and that Froch has been avoiding him in regards to a rematch.
They can fight in Vegas too. Would it sell like Wembley though? Froch will probably pursue Chavez Jr though, but the point is that Ward should pursue Froch, which he doesn't. Not a real champion.
Of course you can.
Otherwise, why is Lomachenckho not top?
The P4P rating is a Pro boxing ranking. Amateur doesn't come into it.
Lomachenko is top 10 if he beat a couple more top pro names. I bet you rate davey haye top 10 today, where does that leave your argument?
He obviously belongs in not just the top 10, but the top 5. Mayweather, Pacquiao and Ward are definetely above him, but who more should be? Wladimir? Actually, it's very hard to judge who should be ranked higher between Wladimir and Froch, either one is fine with me, but there is just not 5 boxers today who deserves to be ranked higher.
Some rank Rigo higher. He's an excellent boxer, but really, he needs to prove some more. Just beating Donaire does NOT equal beating both Kessler, Pascal, Abraham, Bute, etc. I like Rigo, but it's just not fair to rank him above Froch yet.
Some also ranks Alvarez above Froch... That is just stupid. Alvarez is entertaining to watch, but he lost to Trout, he lost to Mayweather and I feel fairly confident that Lara will beat him too in a few days...
Some rank Golovkin or other above Froch too, but if you think about it, Froch really DOES belong in the top 5, he is just not appreciated enough.
I have Froch in top 5 too atm. May, Pac, Ward, Wlad.
I think Povetkin edges Stiverne in a close fight. Late stoppage or a UD. It's a good match up too. Povetkin is always aggressive, Stiverne will look for big counters. Povetkin has a good chin, also. Could be a real war!
Froch may not be an elite boxer but he is an elite fighter.
Elements of his game such as his chin and his will / determination don't qualify with many as elite boxing skills, but they sure as **** make him a tough fighter to beat. He has beaten many boxers more 'skilled' than himself.
This is why he is often under-credited by proponents of the 'sweet science' who by nature don't value traits such as chin and heart as much as they sometimes should.
It's absurd that some are willing to argue that Froch isn't a top pound for pounder due to lack of skill, considering the resume of the Cobra, when they in the same breath will claim that Wladimir isn't ATG due to his 'poor' resume, while Weltz will be arguing that Wladimir's skill set alone puts him on the HW ATG list.
CARL FROCH branded George Groves a lightweight and vowed to send him packing as tempers flared ahead of tonight's Wembley scrap.
Around 5,000 fans packed into Wembley Arena across the road from tonight's big fight venue to watch the pair step on the scales.
And IBF and WBA super-middleweight king Froch goaded his challenger by telling him he has come in too light for one of Britain's biggest ever fights.
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Damn I'm getting pumped for this fight!
Rigondeaux might be boring to some but he is an amazing technician. Froch is nowhere near to Rigo's skills.
It's not Rigo's fault if his competitions is weaker.
Just imagine Rigondeaux being 6ft tall and weighin 165 pounds with less speed and more power. If he had to fight Froch, you wouldn't bet on Froch would you?
Rigondeaux is in top 10. You cannot rate a fighter only by his pro resume. Just look how he handled Donaire ffs.
Hell no!!!In a popularity p4p list yes but in a realistic list no.There are manny real champions who deserve more to be in the top 10 by their skill!!!!
List your top 10.
You rate p4p very subjectively. Froch is not the most skilled fighter in the world, but he beat the best in his division apart from Ward. Froch is definitely top 10 p4p in 2014.
That indicates that you, like me, is an unbiased and honest boxing fan. It doesn't make sense to have Froch outside of the top 5.
Agreed.......................
Why was he not at Wembley like Kessler and Bika were. He should have been promoting himself, staying in the boxing public's consciousness. Perhaps he was just far too bitter to see first hand an event that he can only dream about.
Ward hates the way guys like Froch, Kessler and Groves can sell out big stadiums and earn the biggest $$$. Froch and Kessler are big stars, and that's not a pleasing fact to the SOG.
that wouldn't surprise me. ward's not in shape, and froch should be fresh, as long as he didn't injure himself against groves.
let them train for two months, and ward beats the f#ck out of him again.
Ward gets away with too much. He kept holding Kessler. Ward is a fouls champion.
:lame: He barely gets 5K people to his fights, a high school lacrosse team draws more than that.
Second oakland? seriously, oakland? Ward need to get his ass to England!
Agreed. A real champion TRAVELS.
Everything would make sense for Foch vs Ward II to happen, if not for the promotional issues. But where is Ward in all of this? What does he want with his career?
You kind of potentially have a point with this...the SMW division was created to accomodate "the average man" at 11stone, and these big SMW clashes usually gather lots of attention and excitement from the average guy.
yeah I mean there surely will be a lot of casual fans at Wembley tomorrow night? Are you going btw?
Jr welter, welter, feather, jr middle, and middle. Im a heavyweight myself but I only watch heavyweight fights when im going to bed.
Froch vs Groves has no interest?
Ward is irrelevant.
He has made himself irrelevant with his inactivity and unwillingness to fight overseas. He should be hunting a fight at Wembley right now. Has he even commented on Froch's latest performance?
If you have nothing left to say than stfu. I don't need to suck on those bottles I got my girlfriend's breasts for that. maybe if you got laid you wouldn't be so jealous of david haye.
shove dem bottles up your a$$ you pathetic jelly little david haye hater. :bryce:
you have never had a girlfriend you little faqqot. So suck em bottles. :bottle::bottle::bottle:
Some good replies, cheers guys.
Fury vs Chisora is a good fight now. I think Fury beats Chisora, who is not a huge puncher and is a limited fighter. Chisora is durable and has a good chin. Fury by decision.
2007 Kessler would beat Golovkin, this one today I don't think has the mental toughness or either physicality to deal with the beast at this moment, especially if he moves down in weight.
How about you let the fighter himself decide?