Froch is the main man at 168

No. Ward is still the man at 168. I wish he would fight more often though.

Child please

Froch is the king of super middle, he just had an off day against Ward. Off day my azz, Froch doesn't have the god given given footspeed to ever beat Ward, by the time Froch was in position to punch, Ward had already moved, happened over and over again. Froch is a bigger draw, more fun to watch, etc. But Ward is clearly the better fighter. A week ago you were clammering to anyone who would listen that Groves was going to handle Froch and then KO Ward. Sorry if I (and probably everyone else) give your opinions ZERO credibility

Froch is the king of super middle, he just had an off day against Ward. Oh, hi again 'Froch's biggest fan'! Let's rewind a week, shall we: Poor Froch gonna get KTFO in front of 80,000 fans. Froch is getting walloped. He won't change, can't change at this stage of his career. lololol -Groves has faster hands -Groves hits harder (debatable but he at least matches him) -Groves has better footwork and balance -Groves has faster feet -Groves moves better -Groves has a better defence -Groves has better punch technique -Groves has better timing -Groves has a better jab Groves is a beast.. He has phenomenal speed, great athlete. If Groves could drop Froch like he did imagine what he'd do to Ward? :scared: Groves would retire Ward, he'd make him feel sorry for not travelling outside of the USA and being such a diva. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

Andre who????

You're really going to try and insinuate that Ward ducked LUCIAN BUTE? LOL. Okay bro. Yes bro it is ok. He openly ducked him. He told him to go and fight carl froch. He didn't like the fact bute hadn't had to fight through the super six, and be awarded to fight its winner.

Calm down. Ward is the man in that division.

No he didn't. Equally rated by some, higher by others, Lucien bute was out there and ward didn't want anything to do with him. You're really going to try and insinuate that Ward ducked LUCIAN BUTE? LOL. Okay bro.

ward didnt' clear out the division, now? short memories, or new fans. No he didn't. Equally rated by some, higher by others, Lucien bute was out there and ward didn't want anything to do with him.

imo the top 3 best in the world p4p is: 1. wlad 2. froch 3. pacquiao froch's resume >>> pacquiao, mayweather and ward That list is embarrassing. Divine hammer your quickly reaching Check hooks territory. I've stated before that I understand that why Froch won't fight Ward, But to blatantly duck someone you lost too and his fans screaming hes #1 in the division and near the P4P list is so fu.ckîng stupid. I get it The UK has no elite fighters so allot of fans are desperate to hype up Froch into something he's not. just be happy with #2 in the div and #1 $ man. If all his fans want to see if he's actually #1 in the ring then they should be demanding this fight but they won't because it'll burst their bubble.

Froch has a much better resume than Ward, especially in the past few years. Just because Schmeling beat Louis, it doesn't put him higher than Louis on the all-time list. Louis rematched Schmeling and handily beat him. There's been no Froch/Ward rematch. I see how this thought fits your agenda, but a HUGE difference

Froch only lost by 2 rounds, he was ill and did zero inside sparring. You have to be kidding. I scored that fight 10-2 Ward, 9-3 at the very least. Froch was outclassed. And the same thing would happen if they fought again. Because for all intents and purposes, Froch still lacks fundamental boxing skills. Andre Dirrell beat him 7-5, IMO. Jermain Taylor was beating him until JT gassed out. A fundamentally sound boxer will always beat Carl Froch.

Why was he not at Wembley like Kessler and Bika were. He should have been promoting himself, staying in the boxing public's consciousness. Perhaps he was just far too bitter to see first hand an event that he can only dream about. Ward hates the way guys like Froch, Kessler and Groves can sell out big stadiums and earn the biggest $$$. Froch and Kessler are big stars, and that's not a pleasing fact to the SOG.

He has made himself irrelevant with his inactivity and unwillingness to fight overseas. He should be hunting a fight at Wembley right now. Has he even commented on Froch's latest performance? Why was he not at Wembley like Kessler and Bika were. He should have been promoting himself, staying in the boxing public's consciousness. Perhaps he was just far too bitter to see first hand an event that he can only dream about.

ward is actually a very good draw in oakland. he's not cotto, mayweather, pacquiao, marquez, alvarez, but he draws very well in america. there aren't a ton of fighters who do. This is soo far from the truth... Literally barely has 5k in the arena and who knows how many of those tickets were actually paid for.

They can fight in Vegas too. Would it sell like Wembley though? Froch will probably pursue Chavez Jr though, but the point is that Ward should pursue Froch, which he doesn't. Not a real champion. Not fair to say Ward's not a real champion just because he won't concede to Froch's demands and fight in England. We'll find out who really wants the fight if Ward can get his promotional issues cleared up soon, unitl then the fight won't happen even if both fighters can come to agreement on the location, etc..

This may be true but it doesn't mean Ward has to travel to England, any neutral location should suffice. Why? When he does certain folks will just call him bitter/angry when he gives his honest opinion that he still beats Froch and that Froch has been avoiding him in regards to a rematch. They can fight in Vegas too. Would it sell like Wembley though? Froch will probably pursue Chavez Jr though, but the point is that Ward should pursue Froch, which he doesn't. Not a real champion.

Agreed. A real champion TRAVELS This may be true but it doesn't mean Ward has to travel to England, any neutral location should suffice. He has made himself irrelevant with his inactivity and unwillingness to fight overseas. He should be hunting a fight at Wembley right now. Has he even commented on Froch's latest performance? Why? When he does certain folks will just call him bitter/angry when he gives his honest opinion that he still beats Froch and that Froch has been avoiding him in regards to a rematch.

Ward is irrelevant. He has made himself irrelevant with his inactivity and unwillingness to fight overseas. He should be hunting a fight at Wembley right now. Has he even commented on Froch's latest performance?

Ward is irrelevant.