Wasteman1990

I think AJ defeats Wilder comfortably in a fight which may well expose Wilder even more than he was exposed by Fury. I would prefer to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder fight Whyte, Miller or Povetkin. That said, if and when this fight does get made, I won't be complaining about it.

Manny is ducking them both Sure he is mate

And lol @ you thinking you're smart.

Arguably lost to Trout, clearly lost to Mayweather, clearly lost to Lara, clearly lost to GGG (first meeting), arguably lost to GGG (second meeting). Most fighters pick up one or two gift decisions over the course of their careers but Clenelo has had one too many dubious nods at this point and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he picks up a few more controversial wins before he's finished. In the end it will do more damage to his legacy than good as his legacy will always be tainted by the fact that he's benefited more from questionable judging and corrupt officials than any other boxer in living memory (and he isn't even finished yet.) The way Canelo's going I wouldn't be surprised if in the future when the fix is in it's refered to as 'pulling a Canelo'.

So Ortiz is more competitive than the likes of Povetkin, Whyte and Parker? If so, who exactly is it that he's beaten in order to prove it? Because in all fairness, until he gets a decent scalp on his record, I'm not even sure that he's any more competitive than the likes of Chisora and Takam, yet alone any of the aforementioned names. Get outta here with this bs.

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