unless he's been a dickhead, i don't understand the hate.he go royaly ktfo but still.
He has been a dickhead ; completely disrespectful to his fellow domestic fighters without giving them the chance to fight him.
Barrera Khan should be for WBO title.Interim or Vacant.
Why not?
Because Khan is a nobody and Barrera has only fought a couple of journeymen/bums above 130, and has lost 2 of his last 4 fights.
Surely there is some other reason why Barrera has been being ranked as number 1 challenger? Umm, no comment.
JMM said he should have won against CJ. JMM claimed he was the better fighter. JMM told everyone it was a hometown robbery....So if he bitched about all these things, and he has a chance to prove it was indeed as he says it is,and the other party is willing, then why not do it?Again..JMM was the loser and the whiner...so the burden of proof is on him.
The proof is in the video tape, JMM already beat him comfortably but was jobbed. The officials may not have said so but everyone else did. There is no point going after CJ, no money and there are bigger & better fights out there for him.
It would probably look something like this
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv69/GreatJoe33/whippetDM1207_468x669.jpg
Agree?
What? A freak of nature??? :thinking:
Kotelnik crap? Not many people think that. He is a good boxer and better than Murray and Thaxton.
The simple fact is, Murray and Thaxton are terrible and do not have the name or the money behind them to warrant a fight with Khan. While Khan will have Kotelnik, Barrera, and Prescott on his resume after 22 fights, after 26 Murray only has Lee Meager, and Lee McAllister. It seems that it is Murray and not Khan who needs to step up.
Oh and for Murrays 27th fight he is fighting Scott Lawton. This is the guy Khan KO'd in 4 rounds, in only his 14th fight.
I think its easy to go into overdrive criticising Khan's choice of opposition because of the disrespect he has shown to the other top lightweights in the country. It reminds me of the Audley Harrison saga after proclaiming that he was going to be able to beat Danny Williams after 5 fights. Must have been infuriating for the top guys in the country if even I felt slightly bitter with all the trash talking & money he was getting on ITV whilst showing no willingness to prove he was the best in the country, or even the best in the North West.
The point is (imo) we have better domestic fighters than Khan..........but they are forced to climb ranks the hard way. Thats not fair.......now ask yourself why he has been given a boost up the ranking?
Murry, Meeger, thaxton, fewkes, Gethin or stewart .....and others.........were/are all great domestic challenges to khan.....why has he fought none of them? he had been given a 'get out of jail free card'
Instead he fights b class domestic fighters......ko'd by a nobody in prescot.....circus against an old barrera.....now a title shot.....its BS guys...
Critised for not facing someone from his own size who can punch, he took on an unknown and got smashed unconscious against the first proper lightweight with power inside 60 seconds.
It's seems that the hype about Khan even now still lives on if you really believe this kid can hang with the best this country has? He can't take a punch whatsoever and Murray, Gethin & Thaxton can punch.
This is why people don't like him.........not because of race (as suggested in previous posts) ...although i do belive his race is a big reason why he has been elevated in Britain and the world of boxing...and that leaves a bad taste.
Now he is ducking world class lightweights and moving to junior welter fighting crappy Kotelnik.......He doesn't deserve a shot at any world title....now talk of Hatton......he does not deserve the pay day....
I agree its ridiculous that he hasn't faced any of the top British lightweights, all the moreso given that he is the self-proclaimed best who supposedly would have smashed these guys from day 1. But boxing is not a fair sport, its all about fooling the casual fans and raking the money. Khan generates lots of it which means he/FW can pick and choose his fights as he pleases.
i think kahn can win this too, hes got more skill.
From the little I have seen of Kotelnik he is actually quite well schooled and skilled, what he seems to lack is top level athleticism. He is kind of the opposite of Khan!
Oops I made a mistake in the poll, I think Khan is the better fighter and will win this.
I would say no. Wlad has that huge reach at would not let Tua hit him. I think it would be just like when Tua fought Lewis.
By no means am I saying it's a certainty that Tua would knock out Wlad but even against Lewis at his cautious best Tua managed to land a few great shots. Lewis fought very relaxed in that fight and took the shots superbly. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that Wlad could flap under the pressure.
People Excagerate Tuas skills, He was a short dumpy little fatty with a good left hook, thats it anyone with reasonable sill destroys the little fat boy
If that was the case he must not have fought anyone with reasonable skills, including the likes of Lewis, Ibeabuchi and a young Rahman, because in 53 fights he never came close to being destroyed.
Difficult to say, its certainly easy to imagine Wlad staying on the outside, jabbing & clinching with the occasional right hand to take a lopsided decision. Most people that Tua fought outboxed him for a while (if they didn't get knocked out in the first). However, pretty much universally his pressure caught up to them at some point and he checked the chin, the fight hinging on what happened next. Even in the Lewis fight where he was thoroughly outboxed he managed to catch Lewis with quite a few big punches over the course of the fight. It is clear Wlad cannot take punches well so it seems perfectly reasonable to me to assume that Tua would have a very real chance of knocking him out, particularly if we're talking of the younger more mobile pre-Lewis version of Tua.
Tua is being shown a lot of disrespect in this thread. Before Lewis when he still had decent mobility he was a challenge for anyone. Sure he was limited but he was a good fighter with a huge punch and an iron chin. And he was no slob back in the day.
http://www.titomendoza.com/tuaman653.jpg
Moreover I don't understand what my logic has to do with Valuev. I was comparing factual features+performances of Tua.
You stated that tua would not beat Wlad (with incorrect boxrec information - in fact, boxrec states Calvin Jones is 6'6" and was knocked out by Tua in his 13th fight) because he has never knocked anyone that tall out ("End of story"). Well the only person I can remember beating him who was that tall was Lennox Lewis, which, yes showed Tua could be outboxed but also that most likely he would ultimately land a few big bombs (that might change the fight if the opponent couldn't take them).
To make things black and white for you for you, you could use your logic to argue Wladimir Klitschko has never fought anyone over 7 feet tall and, for example, would be inneffective against such a fighter who would unusually have a greater reach. So, the point I'm making is that just because you say Tua has never knocked out someone as tall as Klitschko (he has, give half an inch) does not mean it couldn't happen (and certainly not "end of story").
See it from the other side: Wlad has more KOs on his record, a higher KOratio than Tua, would be Tua's tallest opponent and would be Tua's most experienced opponent. Tua has not won against anyone close to Wlad. How could Tua withstand Wlad's punches for 12 rounds? Of course the posssibility exists that Wlad loses, but it would be highly unlikely.
The difference as I see it is that Tua had an iron chin and traded punches for 12 rounds against a huge puncher in Ibeabuchi, and also took the best shots from Lewis, again for 12 rounds. That gives me a good reason to suspect that when he was at his best he could take what Klitschko had to offer. Wlad on the other hand has shown several times throughout his career that he cannot take punches at all well.
The tallest opponent Tua ever KOed was 6'4'' (except for Calvin Jones who is a 20-19 bum). It was Dannell Nicholson who is 6'4'', is less reachy than Wlad and 10-20 lbs lighter than Wlad.
It took Tua 6 rounds. And Nicholson is a nobody AND A CHINACHIN (17 KOs in 19 losses).
End of story.
It's the same as with Tyson. Tyson merely KOed smaller opponents (max 6'3'') or bums (the only exception being Lou Savarese).
Tua and Tyson would have not much chance against Wlad.
Let's also not forget that Tua never won a world heavyweight title.
This is terrible logic. You could use this kind of argument to say nobody could beat Valuev. Who did he not knock out who was taller than 6'4"? Lewis? true, but he certainly did catch him with some big punches.
Of course I'm not saying Tua couldn't be outboxed by tall rangy fighters, he was outboxed many times and I don't doubt Wlad could do the same. But I disagree that somebody like Wlad could go 12 rounds without catching at least a few of those weighty punches. How would he stand up to them? In my opinion not so well.
Williams was hugely unimpressive tonight. Harrison was there to be knocked out, but the only reason Williams won was that Harrison was even worse. The only hope Williams has got is to go for the British title, but he doesn't really deserve that after dropping out of the Skelton fight.
He was dropped in a fairly recent amateur fight - he was hit with a good shot, wobbled then went down with a bit of a delayed reaction. Though it was a decent punch, it suggests his chin isn't made of granite.
I personally don't think he is going to live up anywhere near his hype.
He is fighting what looks to be straw-weights that have been on the other side of their best for a good 5 years.
Totally agree. He's got some good skills and fast hands, but from what I've seen of him, he'll never achieve what he & others expect of him (retire a legend of the sport at 25? don't think so).
Brewster would not do the same thing to Williams as what Vitali done. If anything this should be a close fight.
Bearing in mind his fight against the limited Sam (who is similar in several ways to Brewster) where Williams was smashed around the ring and knocked down multiple times, I really couldn't see any hope for Williams against Brewster. Though having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing it cos Danny Williams is usually an exciting fighter when he's not in with the likes of Audley Harrison.
He did anything but expose him, he won a split decision, and all the commentators had it 6-6 as a draw, but the 2 judges out of 3 gave it to williams because of the knockdown, with 1 extra point.
Before the fight Audley Harrison was billed as the future heavyweight champion by himself and many others (including Foreman & Lennox Lewis).
After this fight, I for one (and I expect many others) won't be watching him again in a hurry unless there is a very good chance of him getting KTFO
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Witter is a decent fighter, but nothing more. He looked great blowing away poor opposition in the years after the Judah loss, but he's been poor recently, particularly against Kotelnik (which I scored a draw if I remember rightly) and Lynes.
He is awkward and would always have a punchers chance, but I can only see this as a very easy night for Mayweather. Floyd should vacate - his light welterweight title is meaningless anyway.
He's really playing the fans for the fools they are. He's a pretentious cunt, and just 12 months ago I'd have classed myself a fan. If you're doing it for the fans don't fight Lazcano and don't put it on ppv.
didnt someone also report cz won a 38-35 pts decision? im not believing anything till i see a vid
Yeah I read the thread, someone said it was 38-35 points decision but they admitted a couple minutes later it was to see if the guy who was claiming DQ would stick by his story, which he did.
The Brits - when they get behind someone they do it better than anyone, and the travel they put in to follow Hatton is phenomenal. If Hatton were to beat Mayweather the MGM would be rocking like never before.