Prime Tua would murder Wlad.

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tua kicked ike's ass. :) Yeah, the people saying Ibeabuchi was overrated sometimes point to the fact he was hit very often against Tua. I really don't think it's that big of a deal though. He hadn't been involved in any tough fights up until that point, and showed improvements in the Byrd fight. I'm a fan of the early Tua as well, but Ike definitely had the skills to go further and win World titles. You only need to watch Tua's fight with Byrd to see the difference. Apparently the only time Ike was ever down was in a sparring session with Rahman. Apparently Ibeabuchi touched his glove on the canvas and that was it. Interestingly enough, Rahman put Tua down as well, although it was just because Tua was caught off balance . That's the closest both men have come to being put down.

In all honesty, the better man for the job would be Ibeabuchi, as he had ALL of the tools needed to do the job.

I just rewatched several Tua fights. Not in 100 years would Tua beat Wlad. He basically had merely 2 moves (left hook, right hook) and had huge difficulties with better fighters. He actually had a good overhand right when he used it. By all means Wlad could have went out and beaten Tua by 10 rounds to 2 or whatever. The fact remains, though, that Wlad can fold under pressure and lose. Lewis didn't have an iron chin either, but he was stronger mentally, and could weather a storm much better, like he did in the Briggs fight for example. Klitschko would certainly be the favourite, but not the sort of favourite you'd bet your house on winning. Tua could be absolutely awful at times, like he was in the Rahman fights, and be very easily outboxed by a good jab. Then there's the other version who goes out and blasts the likes of Ruiz and Moorer and Sullivan away in a round. It also has to be said that Brewster has never been a very good boxer either, and has been outboxed by fringe contenders. All things considered, Tua would be a live underdog.

Im not sure you know... If Tua could catch him then obviously he bangs him clean out but i think old vladdy as enough skills to keep the Tuaman at bay and would most likely box the head off him like Lewis did... If he avoids the big shot.. And Tua carried the power until the final bell

Moreover I don't understand what my logic has to do with Valuev. I was comparing factual features+performances of Tua. You stated that tua would not beat Wlad (with incorrect boxrec information - in fact, boxrec states Calvin Jones is 6'6" and was knocked out by Tua in his 13th fight) because he has never knocked anyone that tall out ("End of story"). Well the only person I can remember beating him who was that tall was Lennox Lewis, which, yes showed Tua could be outboxed but also that most likely he would ultimately land a few big bombs (that might change the fight if the opponent couldn't take them). To make things black and white for you for you, you could use your logic to argue Wladimir Klitschko has never fought anyone over 7 feet tall and, for example, would be inneffective against such a fighter who would unusually have a greater reach. So, the point I'm making is that just because you say Tua has never knocked out someone as tall as Klitschko (he has, give half an inch) does not mean it couldn't happen (and certainly not "end of story"). See it from the other side: Wlad has more KOs on his record, a higher KOratio than Tua, would be Tua's tallest opponent and would be Tua's most experienced opponent. Tua has not won against anyone close to Wlad. How could Tua withstand Wlad's punches for 12 rounds? Of course the posssibility exists that Wlad loses, but it would be highly unlikely. The difference as I see it is that Tua had an iron chin and traded punches for 12 rounds against a huge puncher in Ibeabuchi, and also took the best shots from Lewis, again for 12 rounds. That gives me a good reason to suspect that when he was at his best he could take what Klitschko had to offer. Wlad on the other hand has shown several times throughout his career that he cannot take punches at all well.

tua would get outclassed, but at the same time i think he could possibly wear wlad down and possibly ko him after taking a ton of big shots, and a beating from wlad.

There's only two things a Prime Tua murders and they are: John Ruiz and cheese burgers. I realise you probably said that tongue-in-cheek. But you do realise the power Tua had. I'd say it was on Tyson's level, but without the fundamentals and perhaps the accuracy. Boxing isn't always about the sheer power, it's about setting it up. Dave just couldn't set the shots up at times. It's sometimes about the shots you don't see. Do you remember Holyfield saying the lighter weight fighters hurt him more because of that fact?

I do believe that as well as John Ruiz, Obed Sullivan was never knocked out like he was agaisnt Tua. You might say so what. Well, Id say, it proves some people cannot handle that kind of heat. I do believe Robert Daniels was never down either.

die a slow painful death , you porridge wog. Amen brother

Tua is being shown a lot of disrespect in this thread. Before Lewis when he still had decent mobility he was a challenge for anyone. Sure he was limited but he was a good fighter with a huge punch and an iron chin. And he was no slob back in the day. http://www.titomendoza.com/tuaman653.jpg

If wlad couldnt control him, and control the pace of the fight. He would most likely get ko'd.

I loved watching Tua fight....but it would be abit like lewis i think...obv klit isnt as good as lewis...but that reach advantage would be huuuuuuge....and im not sure if that huge trademark shot by tua would be able to land....Possibly tho...

I would say no. Wlad has that huge reach at would not let Tua hit him. I think it would be just like when Tua fought Lewis. By no means am I saying it's a certainty that Tua would knock out Wlad but even against Lewis at his cautious best Tua managed to land a few great shots. Lewis fought very relaxed in that fight and took the shots superbly. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that Wlad could flap under the pressure.

Let's not forget that Tua, as well as Ike, threw a shitload of punches in that fight. That's not a ''fat slob.'' The slob is the version right now.

I would say no. Wlad has that huge reach at would not let Tua hit him. I think it would be just like when Tua fought Lewis.

The tallest opponent Tua ever KOed was 6'4'' (except for Calvin Jones who is a 20-19 bum). It was Dannell Nicholson who is 6'4'', is less reachy than Wlad and 10-20 lbs lighter than Wlad. It took Tua 6 rounds. And Nicholson is a nobody AND A CHINACHIN (17 KOs in 19 losses). End of story. It's the same as with Tyson. Tyson merely KOed smaller opponents (max 6'3'') or bums (the only exception being Lou Savarese). Tua and Tyson would have not much chance against Wlad. Let's also not forget that Tua never won a world heavyweight title. This is terrible logic. You could use this kind of argument to say nobody could beat Valuev. Who did he not knock out who was taller than 6'4"? Lewis? true, but he certainly did catch him with some big punches. Of course I'm not saying Tua couldn't be outboxed by tall rangy fighters, he was outboxed many times and I don't doubt Wlad could do the same. But I disagree that somebody like Wlad could go 12 rounds without catching at least a few of those weighty punches. How would he stand up to them? In my opinion not so well.

yes he would, wlad aint no lewis

People Excagerate Tuas skills, He was a short dumpy little fatty with a good left hook, thats it anyone with reasonable sill destroys the little fat boy If that was the case he must not have fought anyone with reasonable skills, including the likes of Lewis, Ibeabuchi and a young Rahman, because in 53 fights he never came close to being destroyed.

He actually had a decent right hand. It wasn't as telegraphed. Not quite as powerful as the left hook of course, but enough to get one's attention.