Good selection here are some that deserve a mention in my imo-
Ross v McClarnin
Basillio v Demarco 1 & 2
Basilio v Robinson shame Robinson didn't agree to a 3th
Robinson Fullmer
These were great fights in my imo i know some aren't trilogies but hey who gives ah f.
Has to be Ali V Frazier, we'll never withness HWs fight the way they did.
I'd say Ali-Frazier. Sure, Gatti and Ward fought their hearts out but they weren't really rivals. Frazier wanted to hurt Ali so badly he could only dream. Ali mocked Frazier in and out of the ring. This was a true boxing rivalry.
Clearly Ali/Frazier, but rivalries 1 of many i can think is Robinson V Basillio & in recent times Benn V Eubank
Well people have been doing it for years in other countries. I think it's more taboo, or disgusting that unhealthy. I can see why it's considered unhealthy.
Of coarse when a plane crashes in a desert etc.
:lol1: I know, mainly cus it was so shocking and out of left field not to mention they actually showed him drinking it.
Lol il have to see it to believe, but Dempsey is believable bathing his face in bull piss
I don't need to prove it, he got caught trying to cheat and therefore banned by the NSAC.
I agree. In my post i never claim he difinatly did, and my assertion he used it is to be taken in context with the entire post, which doesn't say he did use it in the Cotto fight.
Again, agreed, but everything that happened in that fight portrays perfectly the possibility he did use it. Right down to Kellermans comments about him not ever hearing shots landing like that, being offset by Stewards bias comments like him dissing Cotto in the Clottey fight, to the comments about capitello being heard asking tony "how do the gloves feel?" and him urging tony in the 5-6 rounds to "hit him harder now", the latter of which sound normal, but along with the former, raise much suspicion when everything is taken in context.
Also, Capitello was charged with loading the gloves, while tony denies knowing anything about it. If that's true, why did he not blast Capitello for his getting banned? Why does he still associate with him?
Again, agreed Pull, but when you look at the big picture it all adds up. I'm a believer.
Edit; what's up with the friggin' multi quote feature...it didn't seperate your statements...lol.
Well Jaz hows things? Good point on rounds 5 & 6 i smell a Panama Lewis, alla give me the bottle i mixed
people genuinely think he could easily surpass ray leonard,thats crazy-some people need too learn their history
Totally agree Leonard different class.
Think people are gettinga little too carried away with Pacquiao's victories.
But my imo is he'll stop Cotto late rounds
I see it as a Pacquiao win by KO think he'll exploit Cottto's stamina probs & his speed of hand & shots coming from all angels & body work will be too much for Cotto & Pacquiao can hurt Cotto anytime whether he can finish the job early is interesting given that this is the most prime welter his faced i see Pacquiao by KO mid to late rounds
and also, why not pay the sanctioning fees? he will benefit from it anyway if he beats pac right? good post by the way, green K for you :cool2:
Another thing about the belt being up we would get to withness 5 weight champ in our time this belt then may give Pacquiao more atthe table with Maywaether
and what if manny and uncle bob is not willing to split the fees? will cotto give up the title instead? if he does then hes really not confident in winning. and you know very much that im a cotto fan..
Maybe if the belt is up maybe it should be 50/50 would good payday for Cotto don't see him having many more his loosing his peak
If the scenario you describe turns out to be true and cotto is stripped because the did not wish to put the belt on the line (whether it be for not wanting to pay fees etc) I would be very disappointed. I then can see how you reach the conclusion that he is not confident in beating manny. Do you think the belt will be on the line or is cotto going to get stripped?... By the way, I guess I should read the article hehe brb...
By they way, I do think It would be fair for them to split the cost since arum wants the best fight and manny wants the belt. I don't understand why it has to be all on cotto.??
He simply see KO for Pacquiao but a good point made about Cotto being douthed just look at Ali/Liston etc but ive no prob with the idea of Cotto maybe pulling this out Clottey was a big welter it was always going to be & Cotto called on everything but speed kills Pacquiao has that
and that may be the reason why he doesnt want to put the belt on the line :cool2:
Great point man the belt should be 1 good reason to tell Cotto isn't going to win the belt should be up adds more to fight but i guess we're getting some of the biggest fights in boxing without belts but just don't make them like they used to if they did the belt would be up
bro, cotto is getting $15m in a 65/35 split and thats a very big payday. floyd might even commit a suicide if he finds out that cotto is getting this much :lol1:
Well it a joke then no belt his clearly running scared belt is insurance
He should be he will be KO'D by Pacquiao those stamina probs will be exploited + Pacquiao's speed & shots from all angles & body work he can hurt Cotto anytime can finish the job early i don't know Cotto's big 147 prob safe to say the most prime welter his fought i think its a KO for Pacquiao mid to late rounds.
thats non-sense bro. giving cotto a share of 45% will add more millions to his share and hes already getting $15m for having 35% while the belt's sanctioning fee is about 300k? :lol1:
Ah that sucks as i said no balls like the old days when they put all on the line
again bro, lets not talk about the fight being at 147 cause we all know its not gonna happen. my topics concern is why cotto doesnt want to put the belt on the line against pac :cool2:
I believe that fight is set at 145
There happens to be some that actually understands. And you can just watch the pictures or STFU.
Does it matter about German?
Anyway i hear Showtime are going to have a middleweight tournament is that what this is about would be great if happened.
brilliant analytical breakdown, as always, Silencers...i could definitely see those scenarios playing out...especially the 'role reversal' in the championship rounds
Totally Silencers the poster on here
But i see maybe play a little diff but 1 thing i will note of is Pacquiao is fighting a full welter yes he can hurt weather he'll expend his energy trying to get him out of is another Q but i see Cotto KO'D in mid to late rounds he'll not get away with the stamina probs & as Silencers pointed out weight probs play a little add body work from Pacquiao his there to KO'D
But i would disagree with Silencers on this lol
I've been busy, as you can see. Busy dodging the boulders flung at me.:D Nothing new here.
Eubank was overated. Even in his prime. Solid fighter fo sure but not great. Benn beat him the second time, common knowledge. Watson and Collins also beat him, ofc.
I see that alright you back in the green.
Well i remember being a kid watching the fight thought Benn beat him, well he did if you this point been taken off seemed to saved Eubank, but Nigel won that fight.
Eubank should't get into the ring when he knows his going to be beat alla Collins fight, they all had a piece of Chris whatever anyone thinks, Eubank was just a counter puncher mostly the rest wanted to mix it far more entertaining
No, what sticker?
NP: Iron Maiden-Weekend Warrior
Mcdermott/Fury, Mcdermott was robbed Fury is still too green at the mo id b surprised if didn't win a British title in his career
Oh, that. I knew this Fury guy was hype from the first time I saw him at boxrec. All size and intimidation. I've also seen a fight of his, vs Lee Swaby. Looked pretty mediocre against a faded nobody.
Well his found out now he got an English title he lost on points, don't know what the ref was watching.
I only got to see him live last night, he needs to stiffen his jab never used his reached was out jabbed by the smaller man, but it was his first 10 rounder anyways we'll see can he go for British title after the rematch my imo is he'll never make it out of the UK & maybe won't win a British title.
It was one of the worst decisions ever and a clear robbery. Most people in the audience thought that Watson had won clearly and that there was no doubt who'd get the decision. I've watched the documentary about it. Watson's mother was congratulated by some people before the verdict was announced!
Back to Collins/Watson fight...Watson beat a prime Eubank, a hungry and strong 25 yearold in peak condition. Collins also beat a prime Eubank, no matter what any Eubank nuthuggers may say! So it's pretty impossible to say who woulda won. Both had a very good chin. Collins was just a little tougher than Watson altogether because he just couldn't be broken.:) So if the fight turned out to be a brawl, a slugfest, then Collins would win. But I doubt Watson would let himself be drawn into a slugfest, knowing what kind of fighter Collins is. So he'd try to box him, stay on the outside and counterpunch. In that case it would be a terribly close fight.
Jesus thats bad, it was clearly done as Eubank was more out spoken with the press the powers that be swung that fight for Eubank, don't understand Watson not getting the press coverage that Benn & Eubank got he beat Benn easy that was enough to put right up there & the robbery, the sun also wrote an articale on the fight saying Watson was robbed & won the fight by 5 rounds at least prob Colin Heart that wrote the articale.
Yes its a question of styles how that fight would go, its which ever 1 prefers to go with id say either could win so hard to slpit them they were the best of, Eubank ' Benn & that age certainly in Britain.
I think its fair to say Calzaghe would pose probs for all the fighters mentioned, his speed of hand & adaptabilty are great & his will to win.
Watson would have beaten Collins. Different league.
Eubank-Watson I wasn't a robbery. Eubank won the first five rounds.
Im afraid you'll have turn on that as the news papers of time, next day had a robbery for Watson Colin Hart for the sun wrote he clearly won the fight by 5 rounds at least, now we all can't be wrong & ringside journalists.
Keep your mind open about Collins been beaten by Watson remember his toughness he went in with the best, where Watson was strenchered out Collins done 12 rounds with McCallum in Collins' words he said of McCullam he was the best boxer he ever faced.
That'd be awesome!:) Both guys are among my personal favorites. It would be one hell of a fight. It depends which Collins we are talking about. A 1991 Collins would probably lose to Watson by UD. But a 1995 Collins would give Watson big problems and maybe even stop him.
Good point i go long with that McCallum was a fight to see if Collins could compete at the highest level, as he got older he became more clever in his own words keep it simple work of a jab etc, id see an epic between Watson/Collins prime for prime i would go long with UD for Watson in 91 be pretty much like Benn, but i think a 95 fight would be chess match for first 6 to 8 if Watson can deal with Collins Rugged style & toughness he be it would be level going into chamionship rounds but thats where Collins would have his moments & beat Watson yes he could take him out depending on how much he takes out of Watson in the early rounds, man it would have been great.
Shame they never awarded Micheal Watson a title for his fight for life, like they did Rubin Carter's fight for freedom the man deserves it 1 round from it & robbed in the first Eubank fight.
Yea, he was entertaining. Outside the ring. Thats why they loved him. But once the bell rang, he wasn't that entertaining any more. He had a very cautious style, didnt like that.
Agreed.
But im going to go with Calzaghe over Watson & the rest his speed of hand & foot has a dig & as one poster pointed out work rate & the man can adapt to anything in a fight something to see, especially in 12 rounds
Ps Will hit you some k when this 24 hour thing is up.
See the sticker last night?
Benn said Calzgahe beats him, Eubank or Collins.
Eubank said Watson was unbeatable in their second fight.
I heard that too Eubank said Watson beat in everyway, out boxed & was the stronger man that night.
Prime for prime id just give the decision to Calzaghe, think his speed of hand & being able to adapt in a fight would win him decision.
A Watson v Collins would have been interesting.
Princeman, is that you?:lol1: I had it 116-112 Watson. 8 rounds to 4.
Can't understand why people can't come round to the idea of Watson, being 1 of the greatest in the UK not to win a title
He was pupil of the sport not like others who are held high without a title, i hear Herold Graham the Finnegan's mentioned a lot but Watson won it, or was 3 mins from getting his just rewards, if they give a title to Rubin Carter for his fight for freedom they should be giving 1 to Micheal Watson, the best of lot.
He won the first Eubank fight, everyone thought so & the journalist's agree & Mike McCallum saw it for Watson if his wrong ah well.
The rematch was just a case of too many hard fights without more time out, in my eyes Watson is champ & what a man.
Eubank just got lucky both times against Watson. First time he was lucky enough to get that rotten decision, since he had already become a household name in UK and Watson hadn't, despite beating Benn two years earlier. I therefore put Michael Watson as the most underated boxer ever on my list. Remember? The second time it was a miracle that saved Eubank from defeat, to put it that way although that sounds wrong in the context of what happened later.
I think either Watson or Calzaghe could win. Or it would be a draw. If it happened in say, 1996 or 97, then I don't know if Watson would still be as good and strong as he was 1989-91. But sadly, we never got to find out.:( What a huge loss to the sport of boxing, British boxing especially.
One more thing; lets not forget Watson had 21 KO's of 25 wins on his record, so that means he would have a chance of stopping Calzaghe. Although with Joe's chin I doubt he would. He could hurt him tho.
Id agree that he was the most underated fighter in the UK & Ireland, he defently beat Eubank by 5 rounds in the first fight & showed up Benn as a 1 demisional fighter really, i think McCallum fight took an awfull lot out of him & thats where damage began, had he taken more time out to recover he would have walked to victory in the second over Eubank, shame he couldn't 1 of Britains best not to win title in golden age of middleweights.
Think Watson v Collins would throw up a great fight.