how bout some real analysis on pac vs Cotto

Tired of reading Pac will KO Cotto or Cotto will give Pac a beatdown! looking at the cotto vs Zab fight it is obvious that a counter punching style gave Cotto some problems, especially from the south paw stance. The problem with making comparisons from this fight is that Zab is a counter puncher, he fights off the back foot looking for opportunities. Pac dont fightlike that. Looking at the Quintana fight, Q had some moments. He landed the straight left some jabs and went downstairs with some success. You could also say that Cotto looked awkward at times trying to get into position to land his shots. Its also fair to say that Quintana who is a bigger guy probably could take a better punch at that weight than Pac can. The Corley fight might be best fight to look at Cotto was giving him a beatin early on but took that infamous temple shot and the fight and his career just about got derailed. I havent seen this fight in a while so does anyone have observations on this one? I view Cotto as a more accurate but slower version of Hatton, not necessarily more powerful. In terms of defense, you would notice Cotto`s left hand tend to habitually drop before throwing a hook and will be exploited. Cotto`s footspeed is turtle compared to Hatton. And Pac has had experience in a converted southpaw via the bigger dela Hoya. Again, both are sluggers but Pac has faster hands and throws in bunches. But, these are only my opinions, what I actually see. Maybe others see this also, that`s why odds are currently 2-1.

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The difference between pacs power and the afore mentioned fighters is simple, pac hits you with punches you dont see, shocking punches from weird angles. But Pac has gotten away with throwing a lot of lead lefts from too far outside and again I think he has had a bit of a soft touch here lately. I think Cotto will surprise Manny and Roach with his speed and accuracy and if Manny allows Cotto to go to the body via the left hook we will see his work rate and energy level drop off hard. rewatching the the 2nd pac marquez fight Manny got stationary in the middle rounds and allowed a smaller Marquez to hit him clean way to often. He cannot afford to do that against Cotto. The damage Cotto can inflict in comparison to Marquez is a big game changer. Course if Manny can get Cotto's respect early and discourage him consistently throughout I can see him getting a stoppage late or simply a safety first style win. Dont really know if Manny can be that disciplined over 12 but we will see. Great post.. Cotto will definitely have his moments, the question will remain if Pac handle whatever Cotto disses out over 12! :boxing:

Size - Cotto Speed - Pacquiao Power - Cotto Jab - Cotto Timing - Cotto Footwork - Pacquiao Angles - Pacquiao All of that is greatly debateable besides size and speed. Cotto has a sneaky speed but Pacquiao definitely has the advantage, Pacquiao has better footspeed too and angles but Cotto is one of the best in the sport of measuring distance and closing down space if he can time Pacquiao with the jab that will greatly reduce Pacquiao's punch output and he can force him to the ropes, finally power.. Pacquiao you can say has as much power as Cotto truth is we don't know for sure but we know Cotto can take fully fledged Welterweight's power, can Pacquiao? I see this as Cotto Jab/Size vs Pacquiao Speed/Angles

I'll copy and paste a post I made a couple of days ago. This is how I see it playing out. First few rounds I think will be cautious, I think Pacquaio will be on the outside using his movement, Cotto will be the one coming forward, Pacquiao will try to throw combinations, darting in and out while Cotto tries to figure out and time Pacquiao with his jab. The intensity of this fight will go up as the rounds go on. I think Pacquiao will win the majority of the first 4 rounds because it normally takes Cotto a few rounds to really get going and figure his opponents out, while he's trying to figure Pacquiao out, Pacquiao will be doing all the flashy stuff, throwing combinations, moving side to side, in and out and doing enough to win the rounds. This is a little out there but I also expect Pacquiao to get to Cotto early, Cotto has defensive lapses and knowing Pacquaio and Roach, they'll want to get Cotto's respect early and hard so I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see Cotto hurt early in the fight, maybe not to the point of getting knocked out or even knocked down but hurt enough to make him respect Pacquiao's power. The mid rounds should be the best of the fight, Cotto would have warmed up and Pacquaio always fights for 12 rounds, Cotto's jab and timing I think will give Pacquiao problems here but Pacquiao's speed, explosiveness and angles will make things very interesting and competitive, I expect to see quite a lot of vicious exchanges in this part of the fight. I expect one or even both of them to get cut around this time of the fight, both have shown that they can fight through cuts but it takes Pacquiao a bit longer to recover from getting cut, Cotto just works through it. I think it'll be a very even fight by the end of 9. In the late rounds, meaning 10-12, I think Cotto will start to fade, the weight making while not that drastic will have an affect on Cotto and he has a habit of fading in his really tough fights, I think this will be a really tough fight for both of them, Pacquiao hasn't faded in the past, Cotto has. I think roles will be reversed in the last few rounds with Pacquiao coming forward and Cotto moving around on his bike, noticeably trying to run out the clock and maybe try and steal some rounds. But I don't think he'll be able to. So, I think Pacquiao wins this fight close decision, somewhere along the lines of 115-113 to 116-112 but I wouldn't count out a late stoppage win for the Pacman when Cotto fades. I think it'll be a high speed chess match that becomes a brawl on occasion.

I see Roach implementing the same type of gameplan on Cotto as they used against Oscar. Stay away as much as he can for a few rounds while he feels things out, picks his spots. Problem with that is Oscar was shot, weight drained and didn't throw back...Cotto will. Can Pac take his punch?

brilliant fight, a dream p4p fight two years ago becomes reality now. you know what they say in boxing? that's absolutely correct and proven again now. this fight can go so many ways and i'm very curious who will be the agressor in this fight, pacquiao can box very well now and i think he will use his controlled agression he's had in the de la hoya and hatton fights. cotto we all know can box too but will he want to insert his size on pacquiao and risk walking into that tsunami like attack of pacquiao? pacquiao's speed is the key, cotto's jab and timing may possibly find the answer. if it doesn't pacquiao wins.

pacquiao has weighed about the same fight night during the delahoya fight as he did at 135 and his last few fights at 130. Pacquiao wasn't tired at all against Oscar, however, he did slow down a bit later against Diaz, but that probably had to do with the fact Pacquiao had won everyround.

I see it as a Pacquiao win by KO think he'll exploit Cottto's stamina probs & his speed of hand & shots coming from all angels & body work will be too much for Cotto & Pacquiao can hurt Cotto anytime whether he can finish the job early is interesting given that this is the most prime welter his faced i see Pacquiao by KO mid to late rounds

Cottos Stiff jab will definitely show throught the beginning rounds. Freddie Roach will warn manny to not go out and bang with him so quickly to dave that for the later rounds. pacquiao will stay on his toes throughout the first 6 and try to outbox Cotto and prevent hm from using his big money makers by not letting Cotto hit anything. Pac will stay in the middle of the ring and use that to his advantage due to superiour agnle movement , the ropes and corners are danger zones. Cotto will come out and try to time pac, while maintaining a steady stiff jab keeping pacquiao in his reach stalking him. theyll go toe to toe a couple times ealier and although pacquiao may be throwing more Cotto is slowly pushing Pac back with power. The first couple rounds will be felt out by Cotto trying to match handspeed. the later rounds he will be timing Pacquiao perfectly neautralizing his speed. eventually timing th eperfect shot to stumble pacquiao. Once pacquiao is hurt he will try to fight it out and regain consciousness but Cotto will charge and finish him off somewhere in the 8th. The best part about this fight is the viewer all thier well paid money worth if it will take cotto 6rds to time pac, hes gonna get knocked out.

Not much more to say about this one. Pac is better than Cotto, he just ain't big enuf to handle his power imo. I think Pac boxes him silly til he gets hit hard n clean. If he somehow eludes Cotto all nite or can take his shots, Pac wins easy and maybe accumulates damage for a stoppage. I think Cotto's power makes the difference tho. mangler is the best poster in the world..i respect you man..

Tired of reading Pac will KO Cotto or Cotto will give Pac a beatdown! looking at the cotto vs Zab fight it is obvious that a counter punching style gave Cotto some problems, especially from the south paw stance. The problem with making comparisons from this fight is that Zab is a counter puncher, he fights off the back foot looking for opportunities. Pac dont fightlike that. Looking at the Quintana fight, Q had some moments. He landed the straight left some jabs and went downstairs with some success. You could also say that Cotto looked awkward at times trying to get into position to land his shots. Its also fair to say that Quintana who is a bigger guy probably could take a better punch at that weight than Pac can. The Corley fight might be best fight to look at Cotto was giving him a beatin early on but took that infamous temple shot and the fight and his career just about got derailed. I havent seen this fight in a while so does anyone have observations on this one? They always forget: Speed in all things is Power...they never learn.

excellent post right there... Packy will use his superb footwork to dominateCotto. Cotto's chances only is to trap Packy on the ropes..Pac will get out fast and bring the fight to the center of the ring. :D The pronlem with relying on footowork is that most likely pac will get gassed. Pacquiao looked pretty tired in a couple rounds of DLH due to him carrying on a lot more weight. If he slips up any round its lights out. pac has to really fight a perfect fight any mistake will cost him

As posted already Its been a whiles since cotto has been in with a smaller man,he seems to struggle most against bigger fighters as he cant impose his power/size as much this will not be a problem with pacquaio. I would love to see pacman win as I would like to see him and mayweather,I tink cotto has lost it a bit after the margarito loss and I tink floyd wud exploit that and therefor style wise manny's gives floyd a very tought fight. But in honest opinion I tink the pacman gravy train ends the night he stepsin the ring with cotto,I assume manny's tactic's will be to hit and run,in and out throwing combinations but cotto is a very good pressure fighter and body punchers and will hunt manny form the first round. I cant see manny knockig cotto out,although manny has one punch KO power,cottos chin is rock solid at 147(dont tink the 2 pounds will affect him at all,as on fight night we know hes coming in at 155-160),he has taken punches off come of the most powerfull in the WW devision and not seem fazed by it.my only concern bout cotto is I havent been too impressed since the margarito fight,ie jennings and clottey,the clottey one the cut was a big factor in the fight and he showed great heart I might add,just something seems missing form him(the margarito loss was devasting to him,shattering his confidence) and I tink it showed in his last 2 fights,now wether the clottey win has restored some of it we wont know till he fights manny but if it has I think manny is in real trouble. Im a fan of both fighters and am looking foward to the fight,just thought id give my opinion.

Pac wont go for KO, He got everything he needs (footwork, angles, accuracy, workrate) to accumulate a hell of a points in every round. just a full 12 rounds of smart boxing. As for cotto time pac as he lunges in and land a clean punch especially on the body. if pac can take cotto's punch then its really gonna be a long night for cotto

Pac will KO Cotto

Pacman is not stupid. He knows Cotto is bigger and stronger than him. He will do the De la Hoya fight plan, be cautious, avoid unnecessary exchanges, dart in to unload then dart out to avoid any counter, stay in the middle of the ring and keep Cotto turning. He will use his speed to his advantage and bring the fight on later rounds while slipping left uppercuts and left straights in the middle where usually Cotto's weaknesses. When Cotto begins to fade in later rounds..usually he does..Pac will step up the gas and ko Cotto between 10-12rd. If Pac thinks he can takes Cotto's best shot early and bring along his power at 145 then the fight will end early than I thought.:boxing: Good post, I agree with you that Pac will use the DLH game plan, the only thing is Cotto has better timing then DLH. I think Cotto will catch him coming in then we'll see how Pac's chin holds up above 140. If Pac doesn't get hit that much and doesn't get hurt, he could out box Cotto, I don't see a KO. But if Cotto hurts him he's one of the best at closing the show. Should be a great fight.

Pacman is not stupid. He knows Cotto is bigger and stronger than him. He will do the De la Hoya fight plan, be cautious, avoid unnecessary exchanges, dart in to unload then dart out to avoid any counter, stay in the middle of the ring and keep Cotto turning. He will use his speed to his advantage and bring the fight on later rounds while slipping left uppercuts and left straights in the middle where usually Cotto's weaknesses. When Cotto begins to fade in later rounds..usually he does..Pac will step up the gas and ko Cotto between 10-12rd. If Pac thinks he can takes Cotto's best shot early and bring along his power at 145 then the fight will end early than I thought.:boxing:

Not much more to say about this one. Pac is better than Cotto, he just ain't big enuf to handle his power imo. I think Pac boxes him silly til he gets hit hard n clean. If he somehow eludes Cotto all nite or can take his shots, Pac wins easy and maybe accumulates damage for a stoppage. I think Cotto's power makes the difference tho. x2 bro. Only thing I'd add is that Cotto dealt with judah/mosley/malignaggi speed...he may do better than we think vs. pac speed.

Hit the gym and train hard the recipe for succes for both fighter.