Rokozoko

My current top P4P list 1: Hector Camacho 2: Mike McCallum 3: Donald Curry 4: Thomas Hearns 5: Roberto Duran 6: Marvin Hagler 7: Evander Holyfield 8: Mike Tyson 9: Rocky Marciano 10: Salvador Sanchez. I mean sure, none of them have fought for a while, and just like Ward, they have not done anything in years. Since everyone else though Wants to keep Ward at #2 just for things he did in the distant past, I will keep my guys on my list also :D I would appreciate if we keep this thread free from trolling and stay serious. I kinda hope that we all can reach an agreement on a complete, unbiased P4P list.

Porter turns his fights into wrestling matches by rushing into the opponent all the time, that's not boxing, he should be a MMA fighter. Broner showed him what real boxing is about in the last round. Broner will win the rematch and I'm pretty sure of that, now he knows the dirty rough tactics he is up against.

I don't normally indulge in useless arguments but you actually have Wilder in at 10, there is no possible argument why he should be there. His biggest win is Stiverne...the second best win is probably a shot Liakhovic or Audley or that bum last time out. You include him out of all the possible names that could have been there. Why is Golovkin deserving of being in the top 10 if Wilder isn't? Wilder got these advantages: 1: Younger, faster, better size for his weight. 2: Better KO percentage. 3: Stiverne is way better than guys like Geale who gets destroyed by welterweight boxers. There is no argument for ranking Golovkin above Wilder.

Canelo would destroy Cotto. Canelo lost a competive fight to Trout, but Cotto got slaughtered by Trout.

1-TBE 2-GGG 3-Ward 4-Kovalev 5-Wlad 6-Rigo 7-Gonzalez 8-Canelo 9-Coral Froch 10-Manny I ran the numbers on this BTW. So its not debatable. Froch would belong on my list if he wasn't as good as retired. Rigondeaux is completely shot now and his old glassjaw will crack soon, his resume just won't improve and Walters did better against Donaire. Canelo is okay but a hypejob, he lost to Mayweather, Trout and Lara. Golovkin does not have even 1 win on par with Stiverne yet and if Golovkin was black and Wilder was white, their positions would be reversed. I agree with you that Gonzalez is very underrated, though, and when thinking about it, yes, I should probably place him above Wilder as number 10 on my list, making Wilder 11 and Golovkin number 12.

When Bradley has defeated Vargas, I would love to see a Mayweather-vs-Bradley fight.

Garbage list. Honestly I don't like that Floyd is still #1. He hasn't looked pretty at all in the last 1.5 years, but he's still winning & no one else has stepped up to the throne (thanks for losing to Pacquiao, Bradley). Wlad 2nd.. No real debate. Could be #1 if he grows balls and beats Wilder/Fury. Kova is 3rd. Pretty clear.. Pac is 4th. Not what he was, but still beats everyone 140-147 alongside Floyd. Rigo is 5th. Don't like it, but can't deny the talent. Outclasses everybody.. Choco 6th. F*ck you bum for fighting a washed up Segura instead of Estrada or Inoue. 7. GGG 8. Crawford 9. Bradley.. Beat Vargas convincingly and he goes up.. 10 Povetkin (KO wins over Charr, Takam, & Perez are really good; 2 of those guys were HW Top Tens) Until Wladimir grows some balls and fights Wilder (don't mention Fury, a fight against Fury is just an escape rope for ducking Wilder), then he should be number 3, not 2. You're forgetting Ward, who is behind only Mayweather. Kovalev is very good, but he is not above Pacquiao yet. In order for that to happen, Pacquiao needs to lose one more fight or Kovalev needs to beat someone like Ward or Stevenson, some major name. Rigo almost got KO'ed against a Japanese journeyman, he got knocked down by Donaira, he got knocked down by Cordoba. Rigo is a glassjaw and his best win against Donaire got put to shame by Nicholas Walters slaughtering Donaire easily. Rigo doesn't belong in a P4P top 10 list, he got 1 good win, is old and is getting knocked down left and right by everyone and their mother... Rigo is shot and he has been scared of boxing since the Amagasa fight. Golovkin got no notable wins, so it's not fair to more accomplished fighters to put him in the P4P top 10 list, and Crawford's best win was against Gamboa, who was the better boxer, but completely outsized. But your list is better than most lists. Rigo is sickly overrated, but he is indeed deserving of being placed higher than hypejobs like Cotto and Canelo.

You can't reach an agreement on a P4P list. P4P, by its very nature, is subjective. I just think it's so unbelievable retarded that people add Canelo, Cotto and Golovkin to their P4P lists when none of them have done anything deserving of getting them there.

It's hard not to call you stupid when you don't have Rigondeaux on your top 10 and you have guys like Deontay Wilder, who has beat NO ONE significant his entire career and got rocked by a used car salesman in his last fight on the 10 spot. Then there is the laughable DeGale and Povetkin in your top ten. It's really an awful list and I recommend you stop posting here for at least 2-6 months, during which you spend 50 hours a week watching boxing film, studying what makes a great fighter. Rigondeaux is definetely more skilled than Wilder, but Rigondeaux is small, got a glassjaw and is too old, he is on his way out of the game. There is really no point in having Rigondeaux on any P4P top 10 list, remember how he almost got KOed against a Japanese journeyman in his last fight and has done nothing since? I respect Rigo, but he started too late and is as good as finished, while Wilder has barely started.

Lol at saying 'Japanese journeyman'. Why not just refer to the guy as a journeyman or Rigo's last fight? Anyway how did he almost get KO'ed? the first knockdown was a good shot but Rigo got up as usual. 2nd knockdown was more of an overraction from the 1st KD, it weren't really it punch that put him down if i remember rightly. Similar to the Chavez-Martinez fight where Martinez went down a second time and it rightly wasn't ruled a KD. Rigo is clearly top 10 P4P material, top 5 imo. Please give me 1 reason to put Rigo on a top 10 list while not putting Walters on a top 10 list?

I kind of agree. No doubt about the fact that Rigo has incredible talent and is a rare boxer but on a resume for resume level and the impressiveness in which the wins are coming being taken into account, Walters does have a better case for a higher ranking P4P. You're a fair guy. People are overrating Rigo too much, I like him, but his fans forces me to say the harsh truth and it sucks, I just want to enjoy Rigo for the talent that he is, not the illusion created by his fans.

Wilder would probably KO Povetkin, but we won't know for sure until they fight.

Dude reading your posts its obvious the only reason you made this thread and list was to **** on GGG. Plus lb for lb list have little to do with past achievements. Right now head to head if Floyd was the same size as GGG, Kovalev, and Ward they would all beat him. Floyd is done his defense now is basically clinching his opponents and his offense is below average. As for Deontay the guy belongs no where near this list. I had Golovkin P4P #11 in the world, right behind Wilder at #10 (which you would know if you read my first post). Now I have Golovkin #12 and Wilder at #11, due to realizing that Gonzales deserves #10 more. How can I be $h!ting on Golovkin if I have him #12 in the world?

Before Wilder fought Stiverne, everyone was "ooh, Wilder will get KTFO!", but now, after Wilder beat Stiverne, people talk like Stiverne was nothing.

What I like about numbers 6-10 is that my laughter increased in intensity after each name I read. The truth can be funny sometimes, but as I stated earlier in the thread, Gonzales should probably be #10 instead of Wilder.

Yeah I agree. Walters is nice, but P4P he's not on Rigo's level. Rigo is on the next tier. Rigo got 1 good win, Walters got 2 good wins and more wins in general, Walters' resume is better. It makes no sense to rate Rigo higher. Now Lomachenko is ducking Walters, because he knows Walters will beat him more brutally than Salido did.

Honestly you can argue Floyd being moved from #1. He's mostly still ranked there because of popularity but his last three fights have shown he's not #1 anymore. Gonzales, Kovalev, GGG, Rigo, and Ward have proven to be better fighters at this point in time. And Deontay being ranked is a joke. Guy hasn't beaten anyone other than Stivern and Stivern only good win was against Arreola who had been both stopped and beaten on points before. 1: Rigo almost got KO'ed by a Japanese journeyman and has hated boxing ever since. 2: Golovkin has done nothing remarkable in his entire career. 3: Gonzaled and Kovalev are good, but not P4P #1 material yet. 4: Ward is debatable at #1, but he needs to be more active. As for Deontay Wilder, I see no reason to rank Golovkin above him.

Imagine if Rigo moved up in weight to fight Walters. He will, of course, never man up to do that, but imagine if he did. Walters would crush Rigo like a bug. Too big, too young, too tough, too strong. And don't say stupid stuff like "he wouldn't be able to hit Rigo!", everyone hits Rigo and he gets hurt when it happens. Imagine if a guy with Walters' skill and power connected to Rigo's fragile jaw... Rigo would go into a coma. I kinda don't want this fight to happen, for Rigo's safety, but on the other hand, it would be so nice to see the Rigo fanboys get a wake-up call.

ive never seen such a **** list with such long explanations. A+ for effort Fail for reality At least come with some arguments.

resume??? Rigos best win is way better than walters. Rigo beat top 5 p4p donaire at 122 walters beat 126 donaire who had serious difficulties with shot to shit vic d. I don't think the wins are really close to the same level The Donaire that Rigo beat was too big for that division, lol, he was basically a weight-drained guy who manages to win against small opponents. Walters defeated Donaire at a weight much more fit for Donaire's size.

No way that from this heavyweight division 3 guys are deserved to be in the P4P top 10 list. With that you basically imply that HW is the best weight class next to welter which would e ridiculous. HW is getting stronger nowadays in my opinion but sill just a mediocre weight class. Only Wlad deserves to be on this list, Povetkin and Wilder not. Wilder's one single good win is Stiverne, Povetkin's two more decent wins are Perez and Takam but both have lesser resume than Canelo for example or maybe I can add Crawford too. Rigondeaux deserves to be on that list and I don't know how you forgot Roman Gonzalez too. Estrada is making a case too. Some poeple will disagree with you don't put Golovkin on there but with that I actually agree. You aren't in P4P top 10 when your best win is Murray regardless of why is he your best opponent up to date. You have to prove in a real fight not in fantasy fights and period. May people will disagree with Degale but I think he is making a case just with his win over Dirrell. His resume got better only with that win than many of the active fighters' today. I respect your answer, because you're obviously a fair guy and as I admitted earlier in the thread, yeah, Gonzales should be number 10, not Wilder. I am willing to face my errors. But who do you consider to be better than Povetkin, P4P? Hopefully not Canelo and Cotto, lol? As for Estrada, I won't even bother answering to that. But as I said, respect to you, you try to be fair.

Really? At least Geale was a 2x champ. Crapreola is well... crap! I just made a list..... guess what? Wilder isn't on the top 10 & I have GGG up there. Let me guess??? "racism" STFU with the nonsense. Daniel Geale got DESTROYED by Golovkin and Cotto and he also lost to Mundine and Darren Barker. Stiverne had his Arreola wins and the jaw to go the distance against Wilder, P4P, Geale is not anywhere near Stiverne.

If people disagree (and disagreements are always okay), I would like you to explain why instead of just calling me stupid, as I really took time to consider this list. And please, don't say stupid $|-|!T like Alvarez or Cotto deserving to be above Povetkin and DeGale, let's be reasonable.

Arreola has lost every time he's stepped up. He lost to Vitali, Adamek, and Stiverne. 1: Almost everyone loses to Vitali, Arreola was one of the few to almost go the distance. 2: Arreola humiliated Adamek, but got robbed. 3: Arreola destroyed Mitchell. 4: Arreola losing to Stiverne doesn't make Arreola bad, it makes Stiverne good.

Isn't stivernes best win Chris Crapreola??? :lol1: Who is Golovkin's best win? Does Golovkin have one win on par with Stiverne? I can't think of any. Any list with Golovkin above Wilder got a tad of racism to it and I don't think race should play a role on a P4P list. Wilder got the better KO percentage, better speed, is younger, got better size (weight class considered) and a better signature win.

Lol you have to be trolling. Rigo looked good as ever in his last fight, look at the size of the guy he was fighting, he switched off and got dropped, it happens. Rigo dominated every other round and broke his face. Literally. I'm pretty sure Walters has been dropped by lesser guys but no footage saves him. Power doesn't determine whether someone ranks higher p4p. Anyway, Walters is much bigger than most of his opponents, can't even make 126 anyone and Rigo is outweighed by almost everyone he fights yet still makes them shook. As far as resume it's not like Rigo has fought Gary Russell-esque opposition besides Donaire. I think his resume is slept on tbh. Donaire is his only VERY good win but he has some solid wins over the likes of Agbeko and Cordoba who were high ranked guys at 122. I don't know why you made this Rigo vs Walters, there's numerous guys on your list Rigo should be above. Those were some pretty lame arguments. But yeah, the old, small, glass-jawed Rigo just got NOTHING on Walters and this thread shouldn't be about Rigo, he is not relevant in a top 10 P4P list, he is probably inside the top 15-20, though. I just made this thread to keep that a separate debate: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681530

Umm, yes Canelo? Canelo beat Lara and Trout and losing to Mayweather did nothing to his resume in my opinion since he lost to the #1 who was and is anyways number one. You're not expected to win but you are still downgraded based on the loss? Not logical, not at all. From the same reason I didn't understand why some "media" and people downgraded Pac on the P4P lists after he lost to Mayweather. Wins over Lara and Trout are better than wins over Perez or Takam, period. Why you don't answer to Estrade? He holds two belts in his weight class. Did you even watch Canelo's fights against Trout and Lara? Canelo got schooled in competive fights. He got 3 losses.

Wilder is a good guy, he doesn't deserve the hatered he gets.

Im not debating that Geale lost. But to say that Stiverne himself is "rated p4p" higher than Geale is laughable. Geale: Former IBO, IBF & WBA 3 time world champ Stiverne: Won his only WBC title vs Crapreola, lost it in his 1st defense. Geale getting destroyed by old-overrated-Trout-leftovers Cotto is as embarassing as it would be if Povetkin got destroyed Golovkin, it is guys from completely different weight classes. No cruiserweight, light heavyweight or super middleweight would stand a chance against Stiverne.

Old man Ray Austin was giving Stiverne some work FFS. OLD MAN RAY AUSTIN!!!!! :nutkick: Stiverne got his victories against Arreola, though, so he redeemed himself. Arreola killed Seth Mitchell and he beat up Adamek, what has Geale done, except getting humiliated by a small, old fighter from the lower weight classes who already lost several times down there? Geale is NOTHING compared to Stiverne and I don't care about belts, it's all about who you got the belts from.