We all saw what happened to Liakhovich and other opponents when the punch landed. My question is if that right handed landed on Povetkin, do you think he could take it and fight back?
Or would Wilder's right hand be too much?
Povetkin has an iron chin.
In fact Povetkin has one of the hardest chins in boxing, now, and of all time.
The guy had never been knocked down in around 300 fights (ammy+pro) until he met Wladimir Klitschko, possibly the hardest puncher of all time, whom he survived!
Conversely, although nobody would doubt that Wilder's right hand is very hard (one of the harder right hands today or ever), it is also true that Wilder's power has been completely exposed at top level boxing.
Wilder simply cannot crack the hardest chins, his power is not "elite" level.
A near-hospitalised Stiverne managed to survived 12 rounds of flush rights completely defenslessly.
^ The main question that got answered by this fight is that his power was exposed!
Case closed!
Povekin KO Wilder in 4
BUM SQUAD!
That shouldn't even be his approach, you go into that fight with the gameplan to use your Size, Speed and Reach Advantage. You have a 83' Reach to his 75', it should be a struggle for Povetkin to land on that chin Clean if you know how to use your Size and Reach Advantage Correctly.
All Wilder has to do is listen to his Trainer Mark Breland. He was a fighter that knew how to use his size, a product of KRONK gym himself so everything Steward taught him he can pass it on to Wilder but he has to listen and be patient like he was in the Stiverne fight which was his best performance as a pro fighter so far.
I lean towards Povetkin in this match up right now of course but can Wilder beat him? With the right gameplan? ABSOLUTELY! BUT if he is sloppy like he was vs Molina, he gets knocked the fuk out!
Once you're Champ you don't "Chase Knockouts" you just let it come organically. When you chase KO's you get very sloppy and you leave yourself opened to get knocked out yourself
It's called strategy people..
It's that and the need for self preservation. Wilder isn't going to go into one of his signature windmill frenzy against Povetkin because unlike the mediocrities he's been in with his entire career, Povetkin will catch him if he leaves himself exposed. Such a scenario most likely ends with Wilder on his back with a doctor waving a flashlight in his face.
Of course he would. Why wouldn't he when he outreaches Povetkin by 8-9" and has one of the best jabs in the division? Would you expect him to head into the tollbooth with short-armed Povetkin and give away his biggest advantage?
Wilder has one of the better jabs in the division by default because there aren't many guys around now who can throw a good jab. His jab has improved over time (he could barely throw a proper one just a few years ago) but its still uneducated and the timing is poor. It's not a jab that I see is going to be able to keep Povetkin under control.
Yeah but that's why the opposing trainer is in there during the wrap right?
Can anyone take Wilder's right hand? Not sure that chin exists. He knocked down Stiverne in the second and then broke his hand in the fourth. Hard to say, Stiverne was eating massive rights in the 7th
Maybe Dominick Guinn or Sherman Williams. Can't think of anyone in the top ten who'd just walk through his right hand without visible effect. Stiverne certainly didn't.
You can see Wilder's right hand coming. I'm not sure Povetkin would like Seth Mitchell (or Tye Fields) to connect with full force on his chin either...
Yeah, but you can see Huck's right hand coming as well and Povetkin was still caught by it multiple times. Wilder has the speed to make up for his deficiencies in technique.
You can see Wilder's right hand coming. I'm not sure Povetkin would like Seth Mitchell (or Tye Fields) to connect with full force on his chin either...
Wilder doesn't really throw combinations or rather doesn't have the skills to. He just has a basic jab and right cross aside from his windmilling comical punches.
If he ever fights Povetkin guaranteed he throws almost exclusively jabs.
Of course he would. Why wouldn't he when he outreaches Povetkin by 8-9" and has one of the best jabs in the division? Would you expect him to head into the tollbooth with short-armed Povetkin and give away his biggest advantage?
It's called strategy people..
I don't like to cast aspersions on anyone but I've been seriously wondering about that. There was just something abnormal about the way Lyakhovich went down so easily; that and the seizure and it was like he'd been clubbed with blackjack. Fighters shouldn't react like that, not when they're just being hit with padded bone propelled by muscle.
I really hope I'm just being paranoid as I like Wilder and want to see him as a good guy, but then this is professional boxing. It always pays to be cynical.
Yeah but that's why the opposing trainer is in there during the wrap right?
Can anyone take Wilder's right hand? Not sure that chin exists. He knocked down Stiverne in the second and then broke his hand in the fourth. Hard to say, Stiverne was eating massive rights in the 7th
Unless Wilder's gloves are loaded, as some believe they were when he fought Lyakhovich and Scott, the iron-chinned Povetkin will take The Alabama Quacker's punches no problem.
I don't like to cast aspersions on anyone but I've been seriously wondering about that. There was just something abnormal about the way Lyakhovich went down so easily; that and the seizure and it was like he'd been clubbed with blackjack. Fighters shouldn't react like that, not when they're just being hit with padded bone propelled by muscle.
I really hope I'm just being paranoid as I like Wilder and want to see him as a good guy, but then this is professional boxing. It always pays to be cynical.
Stiverne blocked everything Wilder had with his face for 12 rounds
Paying journeymen to flop like a dolphin as soon as you touch them (Wilder) isn't quite the same as knocking out top opponents (Povetkin)
Stiverne actually block most of Wilders punches, with a very high gaurd are rarely throwing punches. Same as when Pac fought Clottey. Yet, people went around bragging about how scared Clottey was but Wilder fought a bum. Right.........
Wilder hurt Stiverne with a high gaurd throughout the whole fight and was hurting him with punches that were being blocked but some how a Povetkin is going to be open to shots and yet he won't get hurt. Right.......
Unless Wilder's gloves are loaded, as some believe they were when he fought Lyakhovich and Scott, the iron-chinned Povetkin will take The Alabama Quacker's punches no problem.
Povetkin has never been down, except for the Klitschko fight.
A better question is: can Wilder take Povetkin's punches? I think not.
But Wilder is ducking Povetkin anyway.
Are you serious... I heard nothing about loaded gloves? Do you dislike Wilder so much? Lmao!
Wilder obviously can take a punch, and to gloat about Povetkin noting being hurt but by a 40 year old man is quit pathetic.
I'm not completely sure how well he will take the right hand of Wilders but I'm assuming he goes Down in 8. Or a brutal beating to get TKO in the championship rounds
Stiverne blocked everything Wilder had with his face for 12 rounds
Paying journeymen to flop like a dolphin as soon as you touch them (Wilder) isn't quite the same as knocking out top opponents (Povetkin)
And he got seriously hurt and knocked down in the second and rocked numerous times after that. Wilder's punches were hurting him bad every time he landed flush. It wasn't like he was just shaking off the shots Wlad Peter style. Had Wilder pressed for the KO he might well have got it.
As for Povetkin taking Wilder's right hand, I voted no. Outside the Wlad fight Huck had him badly shaken up and on the verge of going down. Chagaev rocked him, as did Takam. He even looked to be hurt by Chambers at times.
Povetkin's tough but he's not immune to getting hurt, and Wilder has some of the biggest power in the sport. More worryingly for Povetkin, he's always been vulnerable to a right hand, and not even a particularly educated right hand at that. Wilder doesn't need to have the skill or set up of Wlad to land his money punch; so long as he keeps throwing with bad intentions something is going to get through. If that happens then I wouldn't be surprised to see Povetkin on the canvas.
That's all assuming Povetkin doesn't get through with something first of course.
so he can take a cleanly landed combinations from wilder with no trouble at all? i guess povetkin is the most iron chinned heavyweight ever.
But srsly he would get rocked no doubt
Stiverne blocked everything Wilder had with his face for 12 rounds
Paying journeymen to flop like a dolphin as soon as you touch them (Wilder) isn't quite the same as knocking out top opponents (Povetkin)
wilder needs another fight or two before he's ready for povetkin. he's got too many flaws right now.
povetkin would knock him out if they foguht next.
Not that I disagree that he is'nt ready for Povetkin but, the time to get expirience and pad the record is over for Wilder. He is the WBC champ, Povetkin is his mandatory, and he got himself a voluntary in.
wilder has been breaking his right hand when he fights. i'm pretty sure we're never going to see him bomb with full power unless he's got a man ready to go from a lesser shot that he didn't see.
i still think the answer is no. this is HW. if a big puncher hits you flush, you're going down.
so he can take a cleanly landed combinations from wilder with no trouble at all? i guess povetkin is the most iron chinned heavyweight ever.
But srsly he would get rocked no doubt
Wilder doesn't really throw combinations or rather doesn't have the skills to. He just has a basic jab and right cross aside from his windmilling comical punches.
If he ever fights Povetkin guaranteed he throws almost exclusively jabs.