My P4P top 10 list

Rokozoko10y ago

I think most P4P lists are unfair, so I made this, which I consider the most accurate P4P list so far. I have backed it up with arguments to show how objective I have tried to be. No other list can really make sense to me. P4P top 10: 1 - Floyd Mayweather 2 - Andre Ward 3 - Wladimir Klitschko 4 - Manny Pacquiao 5 - Sergey Kovalev 6 - James DeGale 7 - Alexander Povetkin 8 - Timothy Bradley 9 - Nicholas Walters 10 - Deontay Wilder 1 - Floyd Mayweather: This is an universal fact in boxing. I don't even feel like explaining why he is number 1 and you probably don't even want an explanation. We all agree on this. Water is wet, fire is hot and Mayweather is #1. And that's just the way it is. 2 - Andre Ward: Undefeated and with victories against guys like Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Rodriquez, Dawson and Bika, it is fair to say that Ward got a resume that is second only to the resumes of Mayweather and Pacquiao, when looking at active boxers. This guy is absolutely phenomenal. He still got things to prove before he fairly can be considered on Mayweather's level, but looking at pure skills, he actually isn't that far behind. If he were to beat a few more names at 168 lbs (perhaps DeGale and Golovkin?) and then moved up to beat Kovalev, then even Mayweather would have trouble keeping up with this guy's resume. 3 - Wladimir Klitschko: Any P4P list would be stupid without the heavyweight king at least being in the top 3 and Wladimir, as the current heavyweight king, certainly deserves it. Despite his glass jaw, he is a very big guy with good skills and enormous punching power and he has defeated a lot of solid opponents over the years (considering what has been available to him). Even Muhammad Ali, who I consider one of the best boxers ever, would have trouble with Wladimir. Ali would win, of course, but he would have trouble. Wladimir is dangerous for any HW champ in any era. He doesn't have a resume like Ward or Mayweather, but if he finally mans up and fights Deontay Wilder (the only guy with a serious chance to upset him), then he would take Ward's place as #2 (and until Ward fights Kovalev, then Ward would not be able to do a thing about it). 4 - Manny Pacquiao: He is not what he used to be, but this guy is and will always be a legend. With victories against guys like Barrera, Bradley, Marquez, Clottey and Cotto, Pacquiao got a long list of impressive victories and in his prime, he was almost too dangerous to be human. But he is past his prime, so why do I still consider him the P4P #4 in the world? Because he recently fought to what I consider a draw against Floyd Mayweather, #1 in the world. Of course, Mayweather is the more perfect fighter of the two, but Pacquiao always was a stylistical nightmare for him. Good speed, good stamina, good workrate and a southpaw style. I had Pacquiao clearly winning 4 rounds, Mayweather clearly winning 4 rounds and 4 rounds that could go either way. But I don't have a problem with the score. That fight could be scored in any way, from a Pacquiao victory to a Mayweather victory to a draw. Respect to both of these legends. The only reason that Pacquiao is beneath Wladimir on my list is, that Wladimir has not been KTFO recently. But if Wladimir finally mans up to fight Wilder, then that might change. 5 - Sergey Kovalev: A lot of people rate the hardhitting fighters Gennady Golovkin and Deontay Wilder highly and that's okay, but both guys needs to step up their competition and prove themselves a bit more. Kovalev, on the other hand, is a true killer (literally a killer, a murderer) and his resume is very good, with wins against Pascal, Hopkins and Cleverly. There is not really much to say, except this is one dangerous guy who is undefeated, got monstrous punching power, okay skills and a good resume. When (if the fights ever happen) Kovalev defeats Stevenson, Braehmer, Beterbiev and Ward, then he will be the undisputed P4P #1 when Mayweather retires. He is not yet proven enough to rank among legends like the top 4 on my list, but he is the closest of active boxers to get there. 6 - James DeGale: Now this is where my list may differ from other lists. James DeGale? W. T. F.? Well, think about it for a moment. On other P4P lists, he got guys like these ranked above him: - Alvarez (who lost to Mayweather, Trout and Lara) - Lara (whose best win is an unimpressive Alvarez) - Golovkin (who has yet to step up from fighting terrible opposition) - Cotto (who has done nothing in recent years, except beating a cripple and losing to Trout) - Brook (whose only rise to fame is a disputable win against Porter) - Thurman (his resume is just as bad as Brook's) Think for a moment... DeGale got robbed against Groves and he destroyed Andre Dirrell, the guy who gave Froch (168 lbs legend) and Abraham (160 lbs legend) pure boxing lessons. Andre Dirrell is a better win than any win on Ward's resume, Ward just has more quality wins. Everything considered, then think, isn't it kind of a joke to have guys like Lara, Cotto and Thurman ranked above him? James DeGale is #6 in the world and placing him any lower is stupid. 7 - Alexander Povetkin: This guy is probably one of the most overlooked and unfairly underrated fighters in all of boxing. He may not have a victory against an Andre Dirrell-kind of opponent and he may not be technically undefeated like DeGale is, but this guy got the second best resume in heavyweight and one of the best resumes among all active fighters. His only loss was against Wladimir in a fight that was so homosexually p0rn0graphic that it really was less of a boxing match and more alike to something I wouldn't allow my kids to watch, but asides from that, he is on a killing spree now, brutally KOing one solid opponent after another and with wins against guys like Byrd, Chambers, Chagaev, Boswell, Huck, Wawrzyk, Charr, Takam and Perez, it would be unfair to place him any lower than the top 7 or 8. I don't even want to mention the Golovkin/Lara/Thurman/Cotto-guys again, forget them until they make themselves worth remembering. 8 - Timothy Bradley: This guy gets hated on a lot, but he is the definition of a true warrior, never afraid of any challenge. He has won every match so far (yes, he DID beat Chaves), except his two losses to Pacquiao, but there is no shame in losing to a legend and doing okay in the process. He has defeated tough opponents like Provodnikov, Marquez, Alexander, Abregu, Peterson, Witter, etc. His resume is not great, but it is certainly better than the resumes of guys like Cotto, Alvarez and Golovkin. It was hard to choose between Povetkin and Bradley for the 7th spot, but while Bradley has taken a lot of damage in recent fights and looks like he might be on his way out of the game, Povetkin is on a killing spree and looking more dangerous than ever. 9 - Nicholas Walters: This guy is young, skilled and punches VERY hard. This is the guy that would retire Rigondeaux if they ever fought and the guy that Lomachenko now ducks because he considers him too big. This is the undefeated beast who slaughtered Donaire and who just won against a very dangerous opponent in Miguel Marriaga. This, ladies and gentlemen, is Nicholas Walters. And if things continue like they do now, then this guy could very well be one of the future legends of the sport. He still got more to prove before ranking above guys like Kovalev, DeGale, Povetkin and Bradley, as his resume is not THAT impressive, but he got the potential to go very far. Keep your eyes open on this guy. 10 - Deontay Wilder: Wilder got all the tools to take over the heavyweight division. He is young. He is tall. He is athletic. He is fast. He is undefeated. He got good stamina. And he is the most hardhitting person in the entire world, with a punching power so destructive that I can't imagine guys like Wladimir and Fury ever taking the chance of fighting him. He may not be the greatest technician, but he proved against Bermane Stiverne that he indeed is a smart and patient fighter with a surprisingly good jab. We usually see him fighting like a caveman as he brutally smashes his opponents, but when facing the only elite opponent he has fought yet (Stiverne), he proved to be quite skilled when he needs to be. He still needs to beat some more elite opponents to prove himself and I really think this guy would be able to upset Wladimir and Povetkin. He still got a lot to prove before he can get ranked above them, though. The reason that he is ranked just above Golovkin (who I have #11) is, that he got a higher KO percentage than him and got better size (weightclass considered), speed, stamina and skills. And his signature win (Stiverne) is better than Golovkin's signature win (Murray).

Comments (20)

Rokozoko

What I like about numbers 6-10 is that my laughter increased in intensity after each name I read. The truth can be funny sometimes, but as I stated earlier in the thread, Gonzales should probably be #10 instead of Wilder.

10y ago

BrometheusBob

P4P top 10: 1 - Floyd Mayweather 2 - Andre Ward 3 - Wladimir Klitschko 4 - Manny Pacquiao 5 - Sergey Kovalev 6 - James DeGale 7 - Alexander Povetkin 8 - Timothy Bradley 9 - Nicholas Walters 10 - Deontay Wilder What I like about numbers 6-10 is that my laughter increased in intensity after each name I read.

10y ago

Rokozoko

Lol you have to be trolling. Rigo looked good as ever in his last fight, look at the size of the guy he was fighting, he switched off and got dropped, it happens. Rigo dominated every other round and broke his face. Literally. I'm pretty sure Walters has been dropped by lesser guys but no footage saves him. Power doesn't determine whether someone ranks higher p4p. Anyway, Walters is much bigger than most of his opponents, can't even make 126 anyone and Rigo is outweighed by almost everyone he fights yet still makes them shook. As far as resume it's not like Rigo has fought Gary Russell-esque opposition besides Donaire. I think his resume is slept on tbh. Donaire is his only VERY good win but he has some solid wins over the likes of Agbeko and Cordoba who were high ranked guys at 122. I don't know why you made this Rigo vs Walters, there's numerous guys on your list Rigo should be above. Those were some pretty lame arguments. But yeah, the old, small, glass-jawed Rigo just got NOTHING on Walters and this thread shouldn't be about Rigo, he is not relevant in a top 10 P4P list, he is probably inside the top 15-20, though. I just made this thread to keep that a separate debate: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681530

10y ago

Caught_Square

Let's compare Rigo and Walters... Age: Rigo is old and looked shot in his last fight, Walters is just entering his prime. Chin: Rigo gets knocked down left and right by everyone like a ragdoll, from Cordoba to Donaire to Amagasa, while Walters ate a heavier Donaire's punches like he had some Carl Froch jaw. Power: Rigo's power is okay. Walters' power is destructive. Resume: Rigo got only 15 fights and his only good win was a decision against Donaire, while getting knocked down in the process. Walters crushed and stopped Donaire easily and he beat Marriaga, a dangerous opponent, in his last fight. Walters is, simply put, better than Rigo. Lol you have to be trolling. Rigo looked good as ever in his last fight, look at the size of the guy he was fighting, he switched off and got dropped, it happens. Rigo dominated every other round and broke his face. Literally. I'm pretty sure Walters has been dropped by lesser guys but no footage saves him. Power doesn't determine whether someone ranks higher p4p. Anyway, Walters is much bigger than most of his opponents, can't even make 126 anyone and Rigo is outweighed by almost everyone he fights yet still makes them shook. As far as resume it's not like Rigo has fought Gary Russell-esque opposition besides Donaire. I think his resume is slept on tbh. Donaire is his only VERY good win but he has some solid wins over the likes of Agbeko and Cordoba who were high ranked guys at 122. I don't know why you made this Rigo vs Walters, there's numerous guys on your list Rigo should be above.

10y ago

Rokozoko

Well Walters best win is a guy who Rigo already schooled when he was on top of his game with good momentum and Donaire himself was considered top 5 p4p material before he met Rigo. I like Walters and respect his recent success but lets not get carried away with rating him top 10. I also like Degale and Wilder but they don't warrant top 10. Degale may be top 20 but Wilder is barely top 30 in all honesty. Let's compare Rigo and Walters... Age: Rigo is old and looked shot in his last fight, Walters is just entering his prime. Chin: Rigo gets knocked down left and right by everyone like a ragdoll, from Cordoba to Donaire to Amagasa, while Walters ate a heavier Donaire's punches like he had some Carl Froch jaw. Power: Rigo's power is okay. Walters' power is destructive. Resume: Rigo got only 15 fights and his only good win was a decision against Donaire, while getting knocked down in the process. Walters crushed and stopped Donaire easily and he beat Marriaga, a dangerous opponent, in his last fight. Walters is, simply put, better than Rigo.

10y ago

Caught_Square

I rewatched the round where Rigo was knocked down LMAO the guy was celebrating like the fight was over and as i thought the second knockdown was mainly from him being shoved almost exactly like Martinez-Chavez.

10y ago

HEND

Please give me 1 reason to put Rigo on a top 10 list while not putting Walters on a top 10 list? I say this as a big fan both of Rigo and Walters: Rigo beat Donaire when he was ranked on most P4P lists and was fighter of the year last time when they fought. Walters' best win is also Donaire but when he beat Donaire, Donaire was ranked by nobody in P4P top 10 let alone in P4P top 20... He wasn't ranked nowhere. So the Donaire who was beaten by Rigo is probably a better but at least certainly more valuable win than the one Walters beat.

10y ago

Caught_Square

Please give me 1 reason to put Rigo on a top 10 list while not putting Walters on a top 10 list? Well Walters best win is a guy who Rigo already schooled when he was on top of his game with good momentum and Donaire himself was considered top 5 p4p material before he met Rigo. I like Walters and respect his recent success but lets not get carried away with rating him top 10. I also like Degale and Wilder but they don't warrant top 10. Degale may be top 20 but Wilder is barely top 30 in all honesty.

10y ago

Rokozoko

Lol at saying 'Japanese journeyman'. Why not just refer to the guy as a journeyman or Rigo's last fight? Anyway how did he almost get KO'ed? the first knockdown was a good shot but Rigo got up as usual. 2nd knockdown was more of an overraction from the 1st KD, it weren't really it punch that put him down if i remember rightly. Similar to the Chavez-Martinez fight where Martinez went down a second time and it rightly wasn't ruled a KD. Rigo is clearly top 10 P4P material, top 5 imo. Please give me 1 reason to put Rigo on a top 10 list while not putting Walters on a top 10 list?

10y ago

Caught_Square

10y ago

Rokozoko

Imagine if Wilder was white and Golovkin was black. Their roles would be reversed. Fury's resume is worse than Wilder's, for example, but Fury is still ranked higher. Stiverne IS better than Chisora.

10y ago

Rokozoko

I don't normally indulge in useless arguments but you actually have Wilder in at 10, there is no possible argument why he should be there. His biggest win is Stiverne...the second best win is probably a shot Liakhovic or Audley or that bum last time out. You include him out of all the possible names that could have been there. Why is Golovkin deserving of being in the top 10 if Wilder isn't? Wilder got these advantages: 1: Younger, faster, better size for his weight. 2: Better KO percentage. 3: Stiverne is way better than guys like Geale who gets destroyed by welterweight boxers. There is no argument for ranking Golovkin above Wilder.

10y ago

soul_survivor

At least come with some arguments. I don't normally indulge in useless arguments but you actually have Wilder in at 10, there is no possible argument why he should be there. His biggest win is Stiverne...the second best win is probably a shot Liakhovic or Audley or that bum last time out. You include him out of all the possible names that could have been there.

10y ago

Rokozoko

Garbage list. Honestly I don't like that Floyd is still #1. He hasn't looked pretty at all in the last 1.5 years, but he's still winning & no one else has stepped up to the throne (thanks for losing to Pacquiao, Bradley). Wlad 2nd.. No real debate. Could be #1 if he grows balls and beats Wilder/Fury. Kova is 3rd. Pretty clear.. Pac is 4th. Not what he was, but still beats everyone 140-147 alongside Floyd. Rigo is 5th. Don't like it, but can't deny the talent. Outclasses everybody.. Choco 6th. F*ck you bum for fighting a washed up Segura instead of Estrada or Inoue. 7. GGG 8. Crawford 9. Bradley.. Beat Vargas convincingly and he goes up.. 10 Povetkin (KO wins over Charr, Takam, & Perez are really good; 2 of those guys were HW Top Tens) Until Wladimir grows some balls and fights Wilder (don't mention Fury, a fight against Fury is just an escape rope for ducking Wilder), then he should be number 3, not 2. You're forgetting Ward, who is behind only Mayweather. Kovalev is very good, but he is not above Pacquiao yet. In order for that to happen, Pacquiao needs to lose one more fight or Kovalev needs to beat someone like Ward or Stevenson, some major name. Rigo almost got KO'ed against a Japanese journeyman, he got knocked down by Donaira, he got knocked down by Cordoba. Rigo is a glassjaw and his best win against Donaire got put to shame by Nicholas Walters slaughtering Donaire easily. Rigo doesn't belong in a P4P top 10 list, he got 1 good win, is old and is getting knocked down left and right by everyone and their mother... Rigo is shot and he has been scared of boxing since the Amagasa fight. Golovkin got no notable wins, so it's not fair to more accomplished fighters to put him in the P4P top 10 list, and Crawford's best win was against Gamboa, who was the better boxer, but completely outsized. But your list is better than most lists. Rigo is sickly overrated, but he is indeed deserving of being placed higher than hypejobs like Cotto and Canelo.

10y ago

just_the_facts

Did I mention Golovkin in my post? Has ANYONE other than YOU mentioned Golovkin in this thread? NO!!! So how about you just STFU and go away and find another thread to spread your hate in. My opinion regarding Ward is very valid as he has done nothing in over 2 years to deserve inclusion on a P4P list. Such lists, like top 10 rankings, are based on current activity, not historical data. You post that any top ten list including Ward is automatically garbage, then complain about someone else spreading hate?

10y ago

Rokozoko

Dude reading your posts its obvious the only reason you made this thread and list was to **** on GGG. Plus lb for lb list have little to do with past achievements. Right now head to head if Floyd was the same size as GGG, Kovalev, and Ward they would all beat him. Floyd is done his defense now is basically clinching his opponents and his offense is below average. As for Deontay the guy belongs no where near this list. I had Golovkin P4P #11 in the world, right behind Wilder at #10 (which you would know if you read my first post). Now I have Golovkin #12 and Wilder at #11, due to realizing that Gonzales deserves #10 more. How can I be $h!ting on Golovkin if I have him #12 in the world?

10y ago

SilverMiles

1: Rigo almost got KO'ed by a Japanese journeyman and has hated boxing ever since. 2: Golovkin has done nothing remarkable in his entire career. 3: Gonzaled and Kovalev are good, but not P4P #1 material yet. 4: Ward is debatable at #1, but he needs to be more active. As for Deontay Wilder, I see no reason to rank Golovkin above him. Dude reading your posts its obvious the only reason you made this thread and list was to **** on GGG. Plus lb for lb list have little to do with past achievements. Right now head to head if Floyd was the same size as GGG, Kovalev, and Ward they would all beat him. Floyd is done his defense now is basically clinching his opponents and his offense is below average. As for Deontay the guy belongs no where near this list.

10y ago

just_the_facts

Ward at number 2??? The guy has had one fight in a year and a half against an overweight, out of shape clown who's manager is now begging to retire. Ward will not belong back on a P4P list at ANY position until he has beaten at least two top 10 contenders with significant ease. I can live without Rigo on a P4P list as with only 15 fights I do not see how he possibly belongs there. But Roman Gonzalez definitely belongs on any valid list. And I agree that DeGale, Wilder and Povetkin have no place on any top ten list. Bradley may be borderline and hold a number 10 spot at the most. I realize that facing quality opposition means little to you, but Rigo dominated Donaire who was in the top ten p4p at the time and has done nothing to lose his top ten p4p.

10y ago

HEND

Mine: 1. Floyd Mayweather 2.Andre Ward 3. Manny Pacquiao 4. Guillermo Rigondeaux 5.Roman Gonzalez 6.Wladimir Klitschko 7. Timothy Bradley 8. Sergey Kovalev 9. Canelo Alvarez 10. James Degale

10y ago

Rokozoko

You can't reach an agreement on a P4P list. P4P, by its very nature, is subjective. I just think it's so unbelievable retarded that people add Canelo, Cotto and Golovkin to their P4P lists when none of them have done anything deserving of getting them there.

10y ago