Since we both agree that Barrera is a better fighter than JMM why did you attack my reply we we both see eye to eye on that point? This isn't a flame but all I stated concerning Marquez is Barrera is more skilled IMO.
FWIW not to spark a debate but you have to admit that Pac gave JMM a chance when no other top fighter was willing to do so.
They were both Champs in I, thus both would benefit from a win by picking up the opponents belt & proving they were the best Super Featherweight.
In II JMM was the champ and Pac was looking for the Super Featherweight belts. Pac fought JMM for his benefit since he was the challenger, not becasue Team Pac & Two Faced "A" gave Marquez a chance.
Prime Pea vs Prime Pac is a boxing lesson for Pac. Pac would have problems with Pea's speed and movement. Pac would be easy target practice for a guy with Pea's handspeed and Pac'd piss poor defense.
The only way Pac wins if Freddie Roach would have been able to get Pac to fight Pea at a disadvantage.....After a devastating KO, impose weight conditions or wait until the guy is too old to fight.
Manny doesn't eat sweet peas. According to Freddy cockroach he's only on that 'Magic Jesus Rice' 100% God, no steroids.
Time will tell who took steroids. The guys juicing will have health side effects even if they credit the problems to other factors or illnesses. Divine justice for the cheaters.
Barrera has always been more skilled than Marquez prime for prime and Manny crushed Marco. I see where your going with this though..........
I don't buy this. The wars between Barrera & Morales seemed to have taken something out of Barerra. The brain surgery might have also played a factor.
Pacquiao vs Marquez were both fights that could have gone either way in many analysts opinion. However, the unbaised fight analysts gave the fights to JMM (Bob Sugar comes to mind). In my mind JMM cleary won the II match. He was the champ coming in, out boxed Pac, bloodied him and finished strong. Heck he was the champ with the belts coming in. Wow. The only blood Pac drew from Marquez was when he headbutted JMM. The face tells the tale as well as the cleanly landed power punches troughout the fight.
Barrera has always been more skilled than Marquez prime for prime and Manny crushed Marco. I see where your going with this though..........
ALWAYS.......The flaw is that you state that Marco is more skilled than JMM prime for prime. However, you don't say if Pac crushed Prime Marco. You just say Pac crushed Marco. You are the real troll Bro.:bottle::thinking:
JMM has been one of the best fighters that has been marginalized by certain boxing interests due to his boxing style and skill. The guy should have been included in the Baerra & Morales sweepstakes but was kept out by certain boxing interests (promoters). Now internet experts consider him a second rate fighter because he did not get an oppotunity to showcase his talents vs these Legends. The truth is that Team Pac knows better, as they refused to fight JMM again at super Featherweight or even Lightweight in order to see who the real victor was. Pac instead choose favorable straight ahead fighters (the least regarded champion at Lightweight), weight drained fighters or boxers that were coming of brutal KO's. Fact is JMM KO'd the guys that Pac ignored in order to fight the favorable matchup (D Diaz/hahahahah). :bottle: Go figure.
Tell that to Hamed, Tapia, Peden, Ayala and other top tier fighters Barrerra beat after he fought Morales.
Yo dummy, this just adds to the list of tough fights he took on before he faced your beloved Pacquioa. Oh, he fought Morales a second time during that peroid. Barerra did not cherry pick his way and wait for downward sloping fighters.:werd:
You said, indirectly, that Barrera wasn't the same after those Morales fights. If that was the case explain his run after the first fight and also for sh1ts n giggles explain his run after Pacquiao a fight you claim he was shot leading into.
By the time Barerra fought Pac, he had taken on Morales on twice in brutal wars. On top of that he fought all the guys you spoke of (Hammed, nice ass whipping).
Key word being ALWAYS my friend. Go back and read you intial post.
I said after the Morales fights NOT the First Morales fight. Come on bro, looks like fruedian slip on your behalf.
Nontheless, I believe a Prime Barrera would have beaten JMM. Prime Barrera vs Pac would have been a great fight, too bad he was not the same fighter. Team Pac, Roach & Arum babied Pac and looked for the right opportunites for him to fight. They have always looked for weight advanatges, looked for fighters that are slipping or looked for fighters that have come off brutal beatings. They refused to fight Morales at a higher weight for II when Morales was having trouble making weight. sought Barerra when he was slipping. Just my two cents worth.
They were both Champs in I, thus both would benefit from a win by picking up the opponents belt & proving they were the best Super Featherweight.
In II JMM was the champ and Pac was looking for the Super Featherweight belts. Pac fought JMM for his benefit since he was the challenger, not becasue Team Pac & Two Faced "A" gave Marquez a chance.
You state that Barrera is superior to JMM and Pac crushed Barrera.
I state I believe a Prime Barerra is superior to JMM.
My Point has been and has not changed is that Pac did not fight a Prime Barrera making the that satement or point moot.
JMM giving Pac such a hard time then would seem to play into the fact that Barerra was not the same fighter and probably past his prime/peak.
Honestly you are nothing but a troll (a worthless one at that) with an agenda. Barrera wasn't in his prime when he faced Pacquiao in the first fight? GTFOH with that b.s. Why I even tried to have a serious boxing discussion with dumba$$ like you is beyond me.
The guy did not look the same in that fight since the begining of the fight. He hit the wall and never has never really reverted to his previous form. Go see the fights an quit insulting analyts. The truth or Reality sometimes bites chief. You need to take truth with a grain of salt and accept it. :boxing:
Why would I need to go watch those fights when I caught them live when they first happened? Unlike you I actually follow the sport of boxing. I'm starting to think you don't even know who Barrera is and have him mistaken for some other Mexican fighter...smh. BTW this is my last reply to you troll.
You must have been sitting behind someone's bodyguard or Opra, because you apparently failed to see what transpired.
Just out of curiousity who is more skilled, in your opinion, between a prime Barrera and a prime Marquez?
Nontheless, I believe a Prime Barrera would have beaten JMM.
When you compare Barerra, Morales & JMM at their peak.....Barerra was the best fighter of the three. Morales did not win vs Hammed, Pacquiao was being carefully matched up by his Team and JMM was not liked by certain Promoters thus not offered the top fights (i wonder which ones).
On the otherhand I believe JMM has always been underated and underappreciated by many fight fans. The problem is that Promoters kept their fighters away from him becasue they knew he would be a difficult fight with little to gain for their fighters.
The honest, 100% God No Steroids Congroidsman was already admitted to a hospital for "stomach ulcers". A side effect?
That's BS, he just had a bad batch of Sushi. The doctor signed off on it. :banghead:
You state that Barrera is superior to JMM and Pac crushed Barrera.
I state I believe a Prime Barerra is superior to JMM.
My Point has been and has not changed is that Pac did not fight a Prime Barrera making the that satement or point moot.
JMM giving Pac such a hard time then would seem to play into the fact that Barerra was not the same fighter and probably past his prime/peak.
Caught you in a slip and now I am a Troll. Facts are the facts chief.
The problem was that you missed the point that I made.....Pacquiao fought a faded Barerra, not the top notch Barerra. Fighting and looking good against faded fighters and weight drained fighters doesn't put on par with boxers that had to make real jumps in order to win a new belt against the top guns in the next weight. You guys are delusional.:bottle:
He will hurt Pacquiao from accumuation of punches and drop him when he is lunging in when frustrated. Could KO him if he hits him enough via Striaght rights.
Are you really serious you want to see them fight again? Pac will ko him for good specially if the fight take place in weight where Floyd just decision him. This Pac version did better than Floyd to Oscar and Hatton sent them into retirement. JMM will face the fate. Most knowledgeable fans they already predicted the outcome of this fight. That's why nobody talking about this right now except some flomos.:nana:
Pacquioa did not want anything to do with Pee Pee mouth again at Super Feather or Lightweight after II. Face the truth...He turned down an 8 million dollar payday for a 2 million dollar fight with the weakest title holder at Lighweight (D Diaz who just got whooped again). He only became interested in III at WW only, after seeing Marquez struggle at WW.
Mayweather fought ODLH at JR Middleweight with no weight crap either chump. No damaged right hand etc... You guys need to get rational. Hence the term Pactard.
youre retarded.
is that why Pacroid wants no part of Marquez ? Pacroid did pretty well in the first two fights............uh huh sure, yeah, keep thinking that retard
Manny doesn't want any part of JMM at any weight lower than WW & this is from his camp which has stated this fact several times. Same old crap, fight guys at a weight that favors Pac whether it be a weight draing weight or a weight where the opponent has to sacrifice speed.:wank:
JMM is still a tough guy. I just don't see him being as effective past Lightweight, too bad Pac wussed out at Lifgweight when it would have been a good fight.:bottle::bottle::bottle:
He'll wear them after every fight just to cover up the embarassment of the REAl Asswhipping.:wave:
It just goes to show that it is still in Pacquiao's mind. He went out and wore shades when it wasn't really necesaary in order to say it wasn't the only time he wore shades.
You should go back and see him in the post conference, he wasn't as happy as he was in the Clottey post fight conference. You can lie to yourself but the truth is it still is in your head just like in pacquiao's head and that is REALITY:blackeye::spank:.
Campbell got whooped nicely. Hahahahaha. Too bad Kahn. Looks like he will have to step up and fight a decent fighter with a half decent punch next time. Let's see reality.
they stopped that fight on purpose so it could look good on khans record boring fight paulie was never hurt khan wont n cant beat devon or bradley or even madiana
First time I see a fight stopped becasue a boxer is outboxing another boxer.
Funny thing is when the Arum/Roach fighters are winning the fight, the fight is allowed to continue when the opposing fighter is REALLY hurt hoping for the spectacular KO.
The really agravating thing is that they stop the fight when it is apparent that there will be no spectacular KO, just to give the ARUM/ROACH fighter the stoppage. :****you::sad:
I know Marquez has such a hard on, bordering on desperation to get a 3rd fight with Pacquiao, and when the call is made, I doubt he won't grab whatever is presented.
Fact is he isn't going for whatever is presented dumbass. The same attitude on behalf of Fat Ass Arum that ****ed the negotiations for MP vs JMM #2. Pacfans have their head right on Arums lap and refuse to be objective when discusing any boxing subject regarding Quackiao.:thumbsdow
Sergio Martinez should be the #1 P4P. The guy has beaten two top fighters that are their prime, not guys coming off recent KO's, weight drained or nearing retirement. :439:
Pacquiao & Mayweather are currently overrated fighters that have avoided fighters unlike Maravilla. :boxing:
Don't bet on it. Money talks.
Bang! Bang! Bang! JMM is looking for big money fights because he is headed toowards the home strech at this point in his career, therefore he is not willing to take just any fight. Reality bubba.:boxing:
It also gives AA more time to fix mistakes in his game. I think the extra time will help both fighters out a bit.
It should help Froch recover from the cuts. On the otherhand AA needs to regroup as well after being decked for the first time.