Mr_Objecitivity

Lol at those thinking Andre Ward can beat any heavyweight or any top heavyweight or most top heavyweights. If he could, then what is he still doing at light heavyweight / super middleweight instead of ACTUALLY competing at REAL heavyweight? The answer is simple, which is that his chances of beating ANY top heavyweight is EXTREMELY low! Despite being the same height as Andre Ward, Eddie Chambers has ACTUALLY competed and has had decent success at heavyweight. On the other hand, Andre Ward is totally unproven at heavyweight. So all his accomplishments below heavyweight are irrelevant when assessing his chances of beating a top heavyweight opponent at heavyweight. I actually do think Eddie Chambers is the more skilled boxer than Andre Ward. His skills are the reasons why he has been able to compete against opponents MUCH bigger and stronger. Andre Ward is VASTLY overrated compared to Eddie Chambers who has underrated boxing skills but is by no means inferior.

I see fighters described as having more athleticism than an opponent. How is this determined? Some athletic attributes are: 1. Cardiovascular / respiratory endurance – The ability of body systems to gather, process, and deliver oxygen. 2. Stamina – The ability of body systems to process, deliver, store, and utilize energy. 3. Strength – The ability of a muscular unit, or combination of muscular units, to apply force. 4. Flexibility – The ability to maximize the range of motion at a given joint. 5. Power – The ability of a muscular unit, or combination of muscular units, to apply maximum force in minimum time. 6. Speed – The ability to minimize the time cycle of a repeated movement. 7. Coordination – The ability to combine several distinct movement patterns into a singular distinct movement. 8. Agility – The ability to minimize transition time from one movement pattern to another. 9. Balance – The ability to control the placement of the body’s center of gravity in relation to its support base. 10. Accuracy – The ability to control movement in a given direction or at a given intensity. Also reflexes / reactions: the speed at which one responds to an external stimuli appropriately (responding to a jab thrown with a parry).

Very few boxers list on top of as many of the 'athletic' attributes as a prime Roy Jones Jr.

To me, it's Marquez. Though Tito was also a great fighter in his own right.

ENDURANCE: The ability to continue to perform a skill or action for long periods of time. Example: Lance Armstrong STRENGTH: The ability to produce force. Example: NFL linebackers. POWER: The ability to produce strength in the shortest possible time. Example: Barry Bonds. SPEED: The ability to move quickly. Example: Marion Jones, Maurice Green. AGILITY: The ability to change direction quickly. Example: Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm. FLEXIBILITY: The ability to stretch the joints across a large range of motion. Example: Gymnasts, divers. NERVE: The ability to overcome fear. Example: High-board divers, race-car drivers, ski jumpers. DURABILITY: The ability to withstand physical punishment over a long period of time. Example: NBA/NHL players. HAND-EYE COORDINATION: The ability to react quickly to sensory perception. Example: A hitter reacting to a breaking pitch; a drag racer timing acceleration to the green light. ANALYTIC APTITUDE: The ability to evaluate and react appropriately to strategic situations. Example: Joe Montana reading a defense; basketball point guard on a fast break. Boxing ranks the highest in most of those 'athletic' attributes than any other sport. In other words, boxers are usually the best all round athletes.

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His feet were fast... but if your definition of "fleetfooted" is dancing/moving like Ali, then that style doesnt suit someone with a stocky build and t-rex arms that give him a very short reach for a heavyweight. Tyson isnt going to dance around on the outside when he has a 71" reach. Well, maybe not like Ali but possibly like Vasyl Lomachenko. Especially if Anatoly Lomachenko (Vasyl Lomachenko's father) was Mike Tyson's trainer and mentor. Can you imagine the angles he would be punching from if that was the case? Mike Tyson had the physical talent and athleticism to pull it off. He just needed the correct mentoring.

I know it wouldnt of suited tysons style but did prime mike tyson have the feet to be fleet footed, to be able to get up on his toes and move around the ring like ali ? . Well, Vasyl Lomachenko said one of his favorite boxers was Iron Mike Tyson when he was growing up as a kid and he thought Mike Tyson was a Ukrainian. Lomachenko and his father even went as far as to model their style, partly based on prime Mike Tyson's style whilst also adding a few extra elements and techniques to it. When you see how Vasyl Lomachenko boxes. If Mike Tyson was trained by Anatoly Lomachenko (Vasyl Lomachenko's father), then he could box similar to how Lomachenko boxes with the foot work / foot movement and angles. Mike Tyson had the athleticism and the physical talent to box similar to Lomachenko (except maybe the stamina). He just needed the appropriate training and the appropriate mentoring.

Why does a boxer need to fight outside the middleweight division to be a middleweight great? Do you realize how irrational and retarded this idea is? For someone to be a great middleweight or the greatest middleweight of all time, they only need to fight at the middleweight division and that's it. Records outside the middleweight division become irrelevant when judging a boxer based on how great they are as a middleweight. Also, if a boxer dominates their weight division, so much to the point where nobody else is great because they didn't have the chance to be, then why does that boxer warrant the criticism? Marvin Hagler dominated the middleweight division during his time. Therefore, he couldn't fight any natural 'great' middleweight because they weren't allowed to be great. It's really as simple as that!

I know this is ironic because this is Ward, a LHW, we're talking about, but I think these CW guys are being a bit overrated. Ward beats them, and not just barely, but I think he wins fairly comfortably from what i've seen of them. What feats, accomplishments or record does Ward have at cruiserweight which suggests that not only could he beat some cruiserweights, but the absolute best cruiserweights so decisively as you're claiming? Ward's light heavyweight accomplishments or super middleweight accomplishments account for very little at cruiserweight against cruiserweight boxers. The same reason why GGG's success at middleweight has very little bearing on how he'd do at 175 pounds against top opponents there. This applies for any other boxer. Also, how are the top modern cruiserweights overrated? That was pretty much the selling point of Jones vs Ruiz though, the power of a HW. It's like, yeah Jones is better than him P4P, but can he take all of his punches? What will happen if Ruiz lands a punch? Ohh man so exciting! There's a big difference between John Ruiz and Oleksandr Usyk. Oleksandr Usyk is one of the best cruiserweight champions today. Whilst John Ruiz was one of the worst heavyweight champions in his time. So if Ward does beat Usyk, I'd give him even more credit than Roy Jones Jr beating John Ruiz. However, I think Ward stands less of a chance of beating Usyk than Roy Jones Jr had of beating Ruiz. these guys look very slow and often times sloppy. IF you're referring to modern cruiserweights, then I'd like to know how they are slow and sloppy. Some of the fastest and most athletic cruiserweights like Usyk are as fast as anybody can be at that size. Of course they won't be as fast as a Lomachenko, but they are as fast as they need to be. We'll see how fast Ward is when he moves up to cruiserweight. I personally think Oleksandr Usyk is AT THE VERY LEAST, just as fast as Muhammad Ali was at his best but is technically much better than him

I'd rather he fight Deontay Wilder and expose / end that over hyped chump. It'd be an easy win to a title and a very good way to end his career.

In what way is / was Sergey Kovalev a bully? What does it even mean to be a 'bully' inside a boxing ring during a boxing bout? What kind of a narrative are you trying to come up with by claiming Sergey Kovalev is a 'bully'?

Canelo and Lee couldn't put weight drained Chavez away but you know who could? Fonfara with his 50% KO ratio despite Chavez being FULLY hydrated and healthy. Likewise, GGG stopped Martin Murray who fought super middleweights like George Groves and Arthur Abraham, but no other boxer except GGG stopped him.

People acting like Golovkin has a better chin lol. 160's punchers are garbage. Canelo and Lee couldn't put weight drained Chavez away but you know who could? Fonfara with his 50% KO ratio despite Chavez being FULLY hydrated and healthy. We've also seen journeymen go a full 12 with some of the biggest punchers in the division like Lemieux, Rios, Reyes, Alcine, Rubio etc. People don't understand, you fight quality fighters, the less likely you are to put them out. If Ward really wanted to, he could've taken the ggg route, fought journeymen and his KO ratio would be around 20-30% higher than it currently is. Put Ward at 160 and he stops almost everybody put in front of him. GGG does have a better chin than Sergey Kovalev, when taking into consideration GGG has never been knocked down in his entire boxing career, be it in the amateurs, pros or even sparring. On the other hand, Sergey Kovalev has been dropped many times before and has been stopped many times before, proving GGG > Sergey Kovalev in the punch resistance department. In addition, Andre Ward has already fought similar caliber of opposition as GGG which GGG has been consistently knocking out. However, contrary to your claims, Andre Ward still has a lower knockout percentage against such opposition. Andre Ward couldn't even come close to stopping a journeyman in Alexander Brand, which are the types of opposition GGG has been stopping within the distance CONSISTENTLY and CONVINCINGLY. So no, there isn't any evidence at all that Andre Ward could / would stop those similar / same opposition that GGG has been consistently stopping.

At the very least, the EXACT same thing would've happened to GGG as what happened in this video against Daniel Jacobs at 40:37: https://www.youtu be.com/watch?v=NGL35iIyd84 However, considering that Daniel Jacobs has a better and a more impressive knockout record / percentage than Andre Ward, his punching power should be thought of as greater. Thus, if GGG is able to take one of Daniel Jacob's most powerful punch without it having much affect, then Ward's most powerful punch should logically have even less of an affect.

Hahahahahahaha You have lost you're fuuucking mind. Klitcko is a chump one of the worst hw champs ever. You have lost you're fuuucking mind. How? Klitcko is a chump one of the worst hw champs ever. Even though he has lost fewer rounds during his reign as a champion for roughly a decade than any other past 'ATG' heavyweight boxer? Even though he has knocked out more previously unbeaten opponents and more previously never knocked out opponents before than any other boxer? Even though his KO victim is heavier than any previous 'ATG'S' Ko victim? Even though he has the highest Knockout record against modern sized heavyweights (weighing above 200 pounds) in title fights than any other past heavyweight? In other words, you're probably exposing yourself as someone who themselves are a 'chump' and has 'lost their mind'.

Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight boxer in history, with unparalleled domination never seen before by any other boxer. Him losing at the age of 41 to a 26 year old power puncher with a 100% KO record, whilst surviving longer than any of his other previous opponents is more a testament to his greatness than negativity. In fact, it's less embarrassing for Wlad to lose to Joshua at that stage of his career than for Muhammad Ali to lose to Larry Holmes or Trevor Berbick at a much younger age. Wladimir Klitschko at this stage of his career was already on his way out of boxing anyway. So him losing at the age of 41 is anything but 'short lived era'. His longevity and all round heavyweight boxing accomplishments / record is unparalleled and the margin by which he won his fights are things which has never previously or since been replicated. Everything else in your list is totally irrelevant!

I don't understand why some of those Andre Ward FANATICS are so concerned about Sergey Kovalev's health all of a sudden. Some of those FANATICS were even claiming that this racist Russian Kovalev is better off dead or he should be rid from boxing. However, all of a sudden, some of the Andre Ward FANATICS are NOW claiming it's somehow the right decision for Sergey Kovalev to be protected from further potential damage / harm. It's seems as if those Ward FANATICS are not too confident in Andre Ward's ability to truly KO an opponent. As such, they are content in having a premature stoppage and then pretending that it was a uncontroversial stoppage because they aren't confident in Andre Ward's chances of scoring a proper CLEAN KNOCKOUT. Hence, they didn't want the fight to continue because they weren't confident in Andre Ward's chances of potentially producing a CLEAN KNOCKOUT on an opponent when any other knockout artist would've done so convincingly. Anyway, it's pure speculation for anybody to claim that somehow Sergey Kovalev would've died had the fight continued or anything along those lines. These are not facts! If I were to claim Sergey Kovalev would've made a comeback and won the fight by knockout or decision had the fight continued, it'd hold just as much value / worth as those that are claiming Kovalev would've died had the fight continued. In other words, neither claims are facts and both are just personal opinions. Personally, the fight should've continued. If Sergey Kovalev were to truly die after the fight by someone who is a feather fist with a 50% knockout record and someone who he himself claims has no punching power, whilst also taking into consideration that he himself killed another opponent named Roman Simakov, then he probably deserves to die. He'd probably think to himself that if he were to get killed by Andre Ward, then he doesn't deserve to live. His family, wife and kids probably deserve a better man as a father and husband. If I were to box against an average female and were to be in a position of getting killed by her legal punches, then I'd probably rather die than quit and then live. What would I have anything to live for after the embarrassment / shame? Not just what I exposed to others, but also the feeling of it myself that I would have to live with forever. Perhaps Kovalev felt the same way, that he'd rather die than live and feel the embarrassment of 'NEARLY' getting killed by Andre Ward in a boxing bout. Truth is, Sergey Kovalev's damage in the final round didn't occur just from legal body punches (Ward did land plenty of them), but also with a combination of illegal low blows. Andre Ward landed enough low blows for it badly damage Kovalev, to the point where he was about to be stopped. Without those low blows, Kovalev may have still been damaged but not to the point where he was going to be stopped. Considering illegal low blows did cause Kovalev to be stopped as much as legal body punches did, the referee should've allowed Kovalev time to recover from those low blows instead of letting the bout continue and then stopping the bout. So if Kovalev were to die from legal punches from Ward had the fight continued, then it should've just happened (which was extremely unlikely to happen anyway). However, if the death occurred from illegal punches such as low blows, then that's unacceptable. Instead, the referee should allow Kovalev time to recover whilst warning / penalizing Ward at the first moment of Kovalev showing any physical discomfort from those illegal low blows.

I don't understand why some of those Andre Ward FANATICS are so concerned about Sergey Kovalev's health all of a sudden. Some of those FANATICS were even claiming that this racist Russian Kovalev is better off dead or he should be rid from boxing. However, all of a sudden, some of the Andre Ward FANATICS are NOW claiming it's somehow the right decision for Sergey Kovalev to be protected from further potential damage / harm. It's seems as if those Ward FANATICS are not too confident in Andre Ward's ability to truly KO an opponent. As such, they are content in having a premature stoppage and then pretending that it was a uncontroversial stoppage because they aren't confident in Andre Ward's chances of scoring a proper CLEAN KNOCKOUT. Hence, they didn't want the fight to continue because they weren't confident in Andre Ward's chances of potentially producing a CLEAN KNOCKOUT on an opponent when any other knockout artist would've done so convincingly. Anyway, it's pure speculation for anybody to claim that somehow Sergey Kovalev would've died had the fight continued or anything along those lines. These are not facts! If I were to claim Sergey Kovalev would've made a comeback and won the fight by knockout or decision had the fight continued, it'd hold just as much value / worth as those that are claiming Kovalev would've died had the fight continued. In other words, neither claims are facts and both are just personal opinions. Personally, the fight should've continued. If Sergey Kovalev were to truly die after the fight by someone who is a feather fist with a 50% knockout record and someone who he himself claims has no punching power, whilst also taking into consideration that he himself killed another opponent named Roman Simakov, then he probably deserves to die. He'd probably think to himself that if he were to get killed by Andre Ward, then he doesn't deserve to live. His family, wife and kids probably deserve a better man as a father and husband. If I were to box against an average female and were to be in a position of getting killed by her legal punches, then I'd probably rather die than quit and then live. What would I have anything to live for after the embarrassment / shame? Not just what I exposed to others, but also the feeling of it myself that I would have to live with forever. Perhaps Kovalev felt the same way, that he'd rather die than live and feel the embarrassment of 'NEARLY' getting killed by Andre Ward in a boxing bout. Truth is, Sergey Kovalev's damage in the final round didn't occur just from legal body punches (Ward did land plenty of them), but also with a combination of illegal low blows. Andre Ward landed enough low blows for it badly damage Kovalev, to the point where he was about to be stopped. Without those low blows, Kovalev may have still been damaged but not to the point where he was going to be stopped. Considering illegal low blows did cause Kovalev to be stopped as much as legal body punches did, the referee should've allowed Kovalev time to recover from those low blows instead of letting the bout continue and then stopping the bout. So if Kovalev were to die from legal punches from Ward had the fight continued, then it should've just happened (which was extremely unlikely to happen anyway). However, if the death occurred from illegal punches such as low blows, then that's unacceptable. Instead, the referee should allow Kovalev time to recover whilst warning / penalizing Ward at the first moment of Kovalev showing any physical discomfort from those illegal low blows.

It robbed us of seeing Kovalev stay on the floor...he was not getting up. The ref stopped it when Brook quit. The ref stopped it when Kovalev quit. It's not the refs job to say "come on....get up and go out there..I don't want to rob you of a potential comeback" :lol1: Remember Kovalev had already turned his back to Ward It robbed of seeing Kovalev stay on the floor...he was not getting up. Which was the point I was making in my first reason for why the stoppage was a robbery. This robbed Ward from winning by a clean, convincing and an uncontroversial knockout. The referee should've allowed the fight to continue until Sergey Kovalev went down to the floor and failed to make it back up on time to the 10 count. Then, Ward would've won by a uncontroversial KNOCKOUT win! Otherwise, it remains a speculation on your behalf to claim Kovalev would've went down and stayed down. If it was going to happen, it should've happened and the referee should've allowed it to happen. That's my point! The ref stopped it when Brook quit. That was because Kell Brook's corner threw in the towel which is a totally different scenario. If a boxer's corner throws in the towel, then the fight has to be stopped! Kell Brook himself didn't quit! The ref stopped it when Kovalev quit. Sergey Kovalev was still in the ring and was still standing. If Kovalev really wanted to quit, he would've went down and be purposefully counted out (like Mike Tyson did in some of his fights) or simply left the ring purposefully (like Andrew Golota did against Mike Tyson). It's not the refs job to say "come on....get up and go out there..I don't want to rob you of a potential comeback" No, but it's the referee's job to allow the fight to continue in a controversial scenario where practically nobody is sure if the fighter in question isn't able to continue. In other words, a fight that is meant to solve controversy from the past isn't meant to create more controversy. In other words, if the referee doesn't ABSOLUTELY have to stop the fight and is in a situation where he is able to allow the fight to continue for longer, then he should. The fact that Andre Ward is a feather fist is a further reason why the fight should've continued. If Sergey Kovalev were to get knocked out unconscious by this feather fist, then Kovalev absolutely should deserve to suffer such a fate. Kovalev had already turned his back to Ward. Andre Ward exposed his back many times to Sergey Kovalev in both fights. Sergey Kovalev doing it only once doesn't mean the fight has to be stopped. Heck, even Guillermo Rigondeaux turned his back at least once against Nonito Donaire. Doesn't mean the fight had to be stopped because of that.

Andre Ward vs Wladimir Klitschko is also very relevant! In all seriousness, the only way Golovkin should take this fight is if it takes place in a neutral country with neutral officials, judges, referee and etc. Otherwise, there isn't any point for GGG to take the fight if it's in USA, particularly in Vegas or Oakland. In an even match up with even playing fields, I'd favor Golovkin to win by decision or late stoppage. Daniel jacobs couldn't stop GGG, so I don't see Andre Ward being able to do it either.

Watch ggg-Murray and you'll see the size of the ring they fought in, it was tiny and favored ggg's cutting off the ring. Murray still went 11 rounds. Groves and Abraham are past it dude, nobody even gives them credit for taking down Murray. Beating Murray got ggg P4P status, but Abraham-Groves were given no credit for taking down a "P4P" fighter's top 3 win :pat: It doesn't matter. Fact is, GGG stopped an opponent (Martin Murray) who previously or after fighting GGG never came close to getting stopped. The same Martin Murray who had a very close and a controversial loss to Sergio Martinez. Martin Murray has fought above 160 pounds and even opponents from there still failed to stop Martin Murray. I somehow doubt Andre Ward stops Martin Murray either. The reason why GGG gets as much credit for beating Martin Murray is because he stopped him, which none of those other boxers did. You can say the exact same thing about Chavez, never dropped, never stopped. No you can't because Chavez hasn't had over 400 total fights (amateur and pros combined) whilst still never being knocked down. A boxer who hasn't been knocked down in only 40 bouts isn't the same as someone who hasn't been knocked in over 400 boxing bouts who is also the age of 35. Chavez is also younger than GGG. Golovkin was rocked by Canelo in sparring and got rocked by a no-name in the pros. Doesn't matter. Point is, he has never come close to getting dropped. In the amateurs the ref gave ggg a standing count after repeated unanswered blows by Bute, That's only because the rules are more strict in the amateurs and greater care is taken to ensure the best health of the boxers. ggg was frozen, if it had been a pro fight it would've ended right there, fortunately the amateur rules worked in his favor. That's just pure speculation / opinion from your behalf. I could just as easily state that fight wouldn't have ended had it been in the pros. In other words, your statement holds no extra value / worth than mine. The fact is, he wasn't knocked down so that is the point. In addition, Lucian Bute has a higher knockout percentage than Andre Ward so even if he did manage to drop GGG, it still doesn't mean Ward would've also been able to. By age 25 Ward (before his prime) was fighting the likes of Kessler, Golovkin is 35 and has yet to fight anybody as good. That's because GGG has been avoided in his division more so than Andre Ward. All of that is besides the point. The point I was trying to make was Andre Ward has also fought similar caliber of opposition as the opposition GGG has been knocking out regularly. However, GGG's KO record against such caliber opposition is still higher than Andre Ward's. Andre Ward failed to KO the likes of Edison Miranda, Henry Buchanan, Allan Green, Alexander Brand and so forth so on. On the other hand, GGG has knocked out practically every one of his opponents that are of a similar caliber / level. In other words, GGG has knocked out pretty much every one of his opponents that are bums / journeymen. Whereas Andre Ward failed to KO many of his bummy / journeymen opposition. A boxer who knocks out every one of his opponents that are a bum / journeymen is more skilled and has a better record than someone who goes the full 12 rounds against those same / similar opposition. Furthermore ggg's resume is FILLED with junior middles, actual journeymen. There's only a few opponents that were naturally below 160 pounds. The vast majority of his opponents were either his own size or larger. GGG may have fought journeymen, but he has destroyed pretty much all of them unlike Andre Ward. Brand a journeyman? There's NOTHING in Alexander Brand's record that tells me he is any better than Martin Murray. Hence, Golovkin's performance against Martin Murray was more impressive than Andre Ward's performance against Alexander Brand as GGG stopped Murray whilst Brand lasted the distance against Ward. Heck, Alexander Brand's record isn't even better than Dominic Wade's. GGG knocked Wade out in just 2 rounds whilst Ward went the distance with Brand. You do realize his only loss was a closely contested fight with former champion Badou Jack right? Brand would be a top 2 win on ggg's resume. Lemieux was already walked through by Rubio/Alcine at 154, but somehow he's a better fighter than Brand No, it wouldn't. Dominic Wade is just as good a win as Alexander Brand and Martin Murray is a better win than Brand.

Daniel Jacobs landed anything but 'vicious' body blows on GGG. They were mainly light hitting taps and touches. Viscous body blows are what GGG landed on Matthew Macklin and Martin Murray. All legitimate punches with real power. In addition, GGG showed very little damage or affect from those supposed 'vicious' body blows. He wasn't extra or anymore tired than Daniel Jacobs by the end of the fight. If anything, it was Daniel Jacobs who practically collapsed from exhaustion after the 12 rounds were over whilst GGG was in far better condition comparatively. So simply, GGG wasn't affected as much by those 'vicious' body shots as you're claiming. In regards to all those other boxers, keep in mind that any man (unless there's some anomaly) is going to be affected by punches to the penis / testicles. Even if those punches are landed from the force of an average pre-teen child or a female. In other words, even an extremely weak puncher like Ward or Malignaggi can hurt and affect somebody by punching them in such an area. Otherwise, I see no real evidence that so called 'eastern European' boxers are any more vulnerable or affected by body punches than American boxers or boxers from other countries. It's not a case of a boxer's origin but the boxer themselves.

Kovalev was not going to continue even if given the chance. He was emptied out. He sat his ass on the ropes and that's where he was going to stay no matter what the ref did.:boxing: Well then that's what should have happened. Instead of the referee stopping the fight in that manner, either let Kovalev get knocked out unconscious (by the featherfisted Andre Ward) or allow Kovalev to make his own decision on quitting without the referee doing it for him first. The fight was a robbery for various different reasons: 1) It robbed Ward from a clean, convincing and an uncontroversial knockout. 2) It robbed Kovalev from making a potential comeback late in the fight.

Oleksandr Usyk destroys Andre Ward in my opinion.

Oleksandr Usyk looks like he hydrates way above 200 pounds. I doubt Ward could even hurt Usyk with punches that he is aware of. Usyk would probably box his head off and then stop him in the late rounds after taking Ward's best punches. Oleksandr Usyk is no Sergey Kovalev. Oleksandr Usyk is much heavier, with a significantly longer reach, is taller, rangier and even more powerful. Ward and Kovalev were roughly the same size. This isn't the case with Ward and Usyk where Usyk out sizes him by a significant margin.

You're clearly high on the CW class. You should lower your expectations of them, because Ward is gonna take a title up there soon and you obviously will be surprised. I guess Ward taking a title from one of the current champs is gonna be a much bigger feat to you. That's great, I expect you to give Ward lots of credit when he does it. You're clearly high on the CW class You're clearly high on Ward, making it seem like he is somehow as talented or competent as Roy Jones Jr (who was significantly more unique). You should lower your expectations of them I'd state that you should lower your expectations of Ward. because Ward is gonna take a title up there soon and you obviously will be surprised. I'll wait for it to happen. In the meantime, the chances of Ward beating Usyk is as high as GGG beating Artur Beterbiev, which is extremely low. I guess Ward taking a title from one of the current champs is gonna be a much bigger feat to you. Winning a title from a higher weight division is almost always more impressive than winning a title from a lower weight division for me. Winning a title from the heaviest weight division (heavyweight) is the most impressive to me. So if a boxer was truly capable of winning a title from a heavier weight class, which in this case Ward being able to win a title at cruiserweight, then why would he go to light heavyweight when he could just skip it altogether to move immediately to cruiserweight? Roy Jones Jr moved immediately to heavyweight and won a title there whilst skipping cruiserweight. I expect you to give Ward lots of credit when he does it. I certainly would IF he manages it legitimately.

He could barely outbox the African. He's not a harder hitter than Kovalev either, nor does he possess the accuracy. We've seen RJJ go 10 with a prime Lebedev, Miranda go a full 12 with Dorticos, Bellew defeating top 10 cruisers and stopping guys never stopped, Vlasov having success etc. Cruiser is not a great division. Oleksandr beat Mchunu in practically every department. In fact, Usyk beat Mchunu much more convincingly than Ward beat Kovalev. Furthermore, Mchunu is a proven cruiserweight with many feats in that division. On the other hand, Ward has 0 feats at cruiserweight. So there is absolutely no reason to assume by default that Ward will be as good as a cruiserweight with the added weight as he has been below cruiserweight. So as it stands, Mchuni is a BETTER CRUISERWEIGHT than Andre Ward. Thus, him giving Usyk slight difficulties is no direct evidence that a naturally skilled sub -cruiserweight would also be able to do the same. As far as Usyk's comparisons to Kovalev, Usyk is knocking out opponents MUCH heavier than the average knockout victims of Kovalev. So just based on that, Usyk is a more proven OVERALL power puncher than Kovalev. However, one might argue Kovalev is a harder puncher P4P (which is a different case). So Ward getting punched by Usyk would likely inflict greater damage than getting punched by Kovalev. Also, Usyk is definitely very accurate. He is a superior combination puncher than Kovalev and has superior footwork. Tony Bellew is a natural cruiserweight who boiled down to compete at light heavyweight. So his success isn't evidence of cruiserweight not being good. If the cruiserweight division was so weak, why aren't more of the top light heavyweights moving up to cruiserweight and becoming champions there? A boxer should go the heaviest division possible that he is able to win and compete well at. So why did Ward move up to light heavyweight instead of making the direct jump to cruiserweight if he was so good that he could beat top cruiserweights like Usyk? It's most likely because he wouldn't be as competent against cruiserweights due to his lack of size.

So you guys don't give him any chance of beating A.J.But what about Roy Jones and James Toney who came up in weight and did really good at HW?Is it just because A.J. is that good or because Ward is not as great of a fighter as Toney and Roy? It's a combination of both. Andre Ward certainly doesn't have the special abilities which both Roy Jones jr and James Toney possessed, especially Roy Jones jr. Everything Andre Ward does can also be found in other boxers too unlike Roy Jones Jr who had unique athleticism and James Toney who's technical skills were even better in my opinion. In addition, the modern heavyweights like Anthony Joshua are much bigger whilst also being skilled too.

Excuses and meandering bullshyte, team g strings tools of the trade. In the meantime, g strings kicking 36 in the arse and has fought exactly 1 quality opponent. As noted, in boxing greatness is seldom achieved by looking for reasons not to make quality fights. 1) I didn't understand most of what you wrote. Therefore, perhaps learn how to construct sentences in a way that is more comprehensible. 2) The little that I did understand, explain what 'excuses' you're referring to and define 'greatness'. Who decides what is 'great' or what isn't 'great'? Is there a mathematical equation / formula out there for us to use to establish what qualifies as 'greatness'. You're using a subjective word like it's some universally objective concept.