Define "world class"? I think many confuse world class with "having a name in North America".
Well that would be hard considering im scottish and am not exactly "in love" with america. 9/10 id support the foreigner vs the american. Also by world class id say someone with popularity, superior boxing skills that are clear to even the casual fan. People like matthew macklin etc are definitely not world class, id say cotto is the closest GGG will get to world class in middleweight nut cotto is not exactly a "fight anyone" type character
Yeah, I thought he was going to be a troll when he started this thread by saying how much he liked GGG. That seems to be something they all do. Three comments in and I was sure of it. Just been having a bit of fun with him since then.
Beat it off my thread please the only troll is you, and what makes it funnier if i was the troll its pretty sad i have a better knowledge on boxing than you.
The guy is an alt and is just interested in trolling. Almost all of his posts are in this thread with a couple typical troll posts about how great Floyd and Ward are. Typical limited knowledge individual who DKSAB. And he has found a place on my ignore list with the rest of the ignorant dicks.
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Oh be quiet because im fighting my case im a troll, I SAY FLOYD AND WARD ARE THE BEST BECAUSE GUESS JUST GUESS? They are. Clearly on the ignore list as you clearly keep posting.. F ck off
Total domination? WARD??? Because he won ONE tournament and beat two drained LHWs? Give me a break! If Ward was a true elite fighter, he would not need two or more tune ups to get back in the groove. No other elite fighter ever needed tune ups like that.
GGG is much more dominating at MW than Ward ever was at SMW. I don't remember Ward being ducked by fighters left and right. But I do remember Ward ducking fighters like Bute and the Dirrells with feeble excuses.
Funny how GGG has to move up to prove his value while Ward is not held to the same standard.
Oh please if this thread was about ward id mention he needs to move up to and btw hes planning to and why? Because he decimated every possible contender he could, he is the definition of domination in a weight class and hes not fought recently at all imagine if he never had contract issues or whatever, winning the super 6 is 3x as good as anything GGG has done and he did not just win the super 6 he absolutely cleared it out. Made them all look like amateurs in the fights, golovkin has to move up because there MW division is weak as s hit
Hopefully brings another title to britain but if he does lose i really couldnt careless. You aint nothing like ali lol, atleast choose someone your styles a mirror picture of and YOUR LEVEL
Abraham was ducking GGG way back when they were both fighting in Germany.
By the way... the reason Golovkin has not moved up is because he still has three titles to win at MW and a Cotto or Canelo fight would be worth more money than ANY fight at SMW. Damn... a fight against Lee or Lemieux would be worth more than a Ward fight. So would just about any fight at MW against any opponent.
Who is there to fight at SMW? Chavez Jr.? Not any more. The Dirrells? Nope, they're done for too. Ward? He's not ready and can't even make weight. Who's left? Froch? The guy can't make up his mind whether to fight GGG or retire. Not much left is there? well froch yes till he retires, ward, degale are all step ups from his current weak opponents, yeah like the canelo fights gonna happen before GGG is like 38 and cotto isnt exactly looking as if its in a rush to get made does it
Again if he was all hype why does it take a top 5 fighter to beat him? Wouldn't he be exposed by average competition if he was an average fighter?
And the GGG/Kovalev talks stem from a sparring session they had where GGG dropped Kovalev.
Your failing to understand, hes branded as worldclass the meaning of "Hypejob" in GGGs terms is that he is good yes but not world class as the resume says. Hypejob doesnt just mean average fighter, broners a 2x world champion and hes considered a hypejob
He's considered a hype job by who? The same people who consider GGG a hype job?
Broner might not be world class (just like GGG might not) but he's no hype job. If he was then it wouldnt have taken Maidana a top 10 division fighter to beat him. He would have lost long before to guys like Taylor, Molina, DeMarco, Rees, etc.
Again broner is a HUGELY well known hypejob in the fact as soon as he stepped up really and faced a creditable opponent he got decimated. Maidana is good but not exactly got the wow factor has he? just because he gave PBF a close one doesnt mean nothing, khan showed him up, a mean your forgetting broner was bramded as the next big thing right?
King khan would smash brook btw. Says it all when people see him as the A side when brook has a belt. But decent purse for Khan against algieri considering that is one of the last fights id want to watch in a stacked welterweight division
Floyd's speed lmao who has he displayed that killer speed against ?
Gatti ? A shot Shamba Mitchell ? This is hilarious !! Floyd has never fought a fighter in their prime that was as seasoned as Duran, ever !!
This is the same Floyd who had troubles with !Maidana ,Cotto and Castillo yet none of them are even close to Duran's level !! Floyd's speed lmao this ain't Ricky Hatton now ..
Your actually trying to question floyd mayweathers speed? Really?.. REALLY!! Go watch some boxing please
A mean you got dropped like a little useless fly and then throw a high amount of flurrys into degales gloves when he was either gassed or being cautious or saving his energy for the championship rounds and you think you won, oh please, he won rounds on the simple fact degale wasn't throwing back.
Quigg is only a "regular" world champ, GGG has 2 "real" world title belts.
But still, Quigg is a world class fighter, for sure. Maybe not the best in the world at his weight, but definitely world class. How could he not be?
That comment just irradicates your opinion in this discussion, quigg is not world class dont make me howl. Hes fought absolutely noone
Well if dominating a whole weight class in boxing is an easy feat then maybe its time you laced up your gloves and started :boxing:
I would lace them up its just only about 15 years too late lol. His resume is awful, he atleast needs cotto's head which i actually think he will do soon. Needs to move up
Just because he gave Floyd a close might means nothing???
What did he have to do beat him? No one has beat him.
And khan did beat him but khan is also a great fighter.
Jesus man your standards are way too high.
Well what use is getting close but not close enough? Your right noones beat floyd but that doesnt mean getting close is an achievement, sport is about WINNING, that aint winning to me. Ask Dirrell how he thinks about getting close to Degale and ask if hes proud of his "achievement". Atleast you see sense in the fact of khans abilitys its nice to see his name not being slated for a change but anyway broner is a hypejob, maidanas close one means nothing apart from he got a rematch and GGG is good but he aint nowhere near world class(yet anyway)
Quigg is ranked the No4 super bantamweight in the world by Boxrec and the WBA "regular" world super bantamweight champion.
Therefore he is, by definition, a world class fighter. Cus that's the way it works see?
Yeah quigg and his ranked 50 opponents lol. Getta outa here, boxing isn't always about there ranking try having a look at the "world class" fighters rresume
Now this is strange. If you think GGG has yet to prove his world class ability, then why are you saying he needs to move up and fight above his natural weight?
Em maybe because MW is a joke accept cotto who does not want to fight GGG
GGG looks like a beast against the type of competition most good fighters fight at the very beginning of their careers, only GGG is 32 and has had 30 something fights. He looks good and he's entertaining, he just hasn't done it against any real competition so far. He also has been rocked with several glancing blows from pillow punchers. He's going to get KOed vs an accurate power puncher, that is if he doesn't KO them first.
I like GGG, I just don't see what all the hype is about yet, he is a slow plodding middle weight who has accurate power. If he fights "real" threats his next 6 fights he will lose 2 or 3.
Yeah i really like him too, its hard to dislike a puncher like golov. Agree as well that the hype is not particuarly warranted right now but im saying i am 50/50 on what his career could be like, he can go one way or the other for me really.
Eh? GGG is a double world champion and the No1 MW in the world. But, according to you, he's nowhere near world class yet?
That's crazy mate.
Yeah i over exaggerated a bit with the world class thing, but still he aint world class, quiggs a world champion so whats your point are you stating he warrants world class status too?
He's trying to fight Froch currently and he's not been mandortory for that long, in terms of Cotto having a mandortary defence against ****ing geale!
Mandatory dont mean they will fight, cotto has been hiding from him for a bit now, i wouldnt hold your breath on being mandatory challenger making a difference, its well known cotto is one loss away from being finished and in his eyes hes looking for a few more paydays yet i think. But as someone previously stated he does need that belt so you never kmow
MW was seen as a very competitive division till GGG appeared on the scene, KO'd everybody who went up against him, and sent the rest running for cover.
If GGG isn't even world class, why doesn't Cotto want to fight him?
Lol. He's got something mixed up, for sure.
Oh please i know exactly what i mean, world class being the fighters up there with the best in the world today ie P4P, theres only 4 elite fighters in boxing right now and that is Wlad, pac and PBF and Ward if he returns strong due to there either total domination or in pacs case because his amazing resume and 8 division champion status
He's mandatory for a unification fight, which against Cotto is BIG money. Why the **** would he move up to 168 now? If the Froch fight works out before then at 168 then fine its a big money/legacy fight but he wont stay at 168, he'll come back to middle to fight his mandatory shot against Cotto! After that i think we'll all have the right to want him to move up fully!
And how long has the Golovkin vs Cotto fight been meant to happen now xD. I dont really think cotto is wanting golov. Although he is finished really and not considered a star anymore if he decided to vacate his title so you never know. But why would he move upto 168? Instead of fighting bums and having to look high and low for a worthy challenger he could fight Degale, maybe froch(huge fight), ward if he goes back to SMW(big fight), the SMW class is definitely alot more stacked and filled with a lot more money fights than MW, god badou jack and dirrell would be considered much more worthy of his resume than it is off current
So I should imagine if he had never been a diva and tried to stab his promoter in the back? So I should imagine where he would stand if said promoter did not get him all of his Super Six fights on home turf? Can I imagine where he would stand if he had travelled for all of his Super Six fights like most other combatants did? Can I imagine where he would stand if he had fought Dawson at LHW instead of at SMW? Can I imagine where he would stand if instead of wasting so much time in court, he actually spent it in the ring fighting?
So many possibilities. :nutkick:
So basically youve been proved wrong so bring up subjects irrelevant to boxing skills, if he travelled he would still have outclassed them all, none of them stood a chance against ward, he won the super 6 for a reason and thats because he is the best SMW, and because he can choose when and when hes not in court you do realise a non appearance im court would of made matters 10x worse, love how you didnt question that winning the super 6 destroys any of GGGs achievements, oh fabulous questions i see, i could just reply with where would golovkin be without his promoter but them again its not likes hes ever landed a big name
So he's a hype job but has to move up in weight to lose?
If he was a hype job wouldn't the guys he's fighting now expose him?
Would you be saying guys like Canelo and Cotto would expose him?
Let me explain something, hype jobs usually get exposed long before they fight the best fighters.
Victor Ortiz was a hype job.
Omar Chavez was a hype job.
Wilfredo Vasquez JR. was a hype job.
Thomas Dulorme
Mike Jones
These guys are hype jobs.
Read very carefully as you clearly didnt before, i did not say he was a hypejob, i like him, like his style, his power etc. i was simply creating a discussion on wether he is overhyped or not on the facts presented before us like weak resume blah blah, since well forums are for discussion right?
GGG has 20 KOs in a row and most of the top middleweights are scared to fight him. He is ranked as the number 1 middleweight in the world by every organization that ranks fighters. In a ring magazine poll over 60% of the readers rated GGG as the number 1 pound for pound fighter in the world over Mayweather, Ward and all the others. Gee, what's all the hype about?????
So because some people that read a magazine think hes the p4p best that means he is? How do you know these people even know anything about boxing which they clearly dont? Dont even mention GGGs name in the same sentence as the master of boxing money may. Ward would dismantle him round by round too. Middleweight division is weak, Hes good fighter yes but come on he needs to prove his world class ability he cant just be granted it, oh 20 Kos? It aint hard when the opponent is only there to be hit
Just because I think he's way over hyped, does not mean I am not a fan. GGG is an exciting fighter who has great and accurate power. His fights are going to be exciting and I want to see him in with some top competition soon.
While I think Canelo, Cotto, Froch, and Ward are all better boxers than GGG, he definitely is going to make any of those fights exciting and he has a chance to win each (maybe no chance against Ward).
This is what is tough about trying to be an objective fan though, most of the critics in this thread probably like GGG, but we're going to find our self sounding like we don't just to try to off set the people who are way over blowing his achievements in the ring so far. The guy simply doesn't have a top 10 P4P resume yet, he's overrated and it's a huge hype machine.\
But why wouldn't HBO and other boxing players hype him? He's a marketable fighter and exaggerating him can only make everyone involved more money. Maybe he is a killer, but he just hasn't been in with enough good competition to prove it to me. So I have to go by the eye test (which is an educated guess at best). GGG is slow of foot with very little head movement. But GGG has excellent form and is a very accurate and hard puncher who throws combinations well. He doesn't have a lot of defense, but he hasn't needed it yet. I think any boxer who can move decently will give him trouble, as well as any boxer with real KO power and fast hands. Cotto moves very well and has the power to stop GGG, but that is a very close fight IMO. Canelo has better hands than GGG, but will also get hit a lot, that could be a classic, but I'm not sure GGG can take the shots Canelo will land. Froch is also a good match up. Ward will destroy GGG.
I think if GGG steps up and fights some top guys in his next 5 or 6 fights he will lose a couple fights. Maybe he'll prove me wrong though.
Could not have said it any better, due to some people being clueless and annoying its made me sound like i hate Golovkin or dislike him when really i like his abilities just think there blown well out of proportion
Lol. Ward easy! Would dance and grap these 3 all night. He's levels above on boxing and athletic ability, froch is old now and never was a mover exactly, Dirrell in his last fight didn't show any real athletic advantage and dégale is 2nd best but his stamina is a joke