At least Khan goes out on his sheild
If/when Errol starts laying the beating, Kell will probably pull the shute again
What's with these lame Kell fans, well Kell went out like a sucker tonight but but he'd beat khan and Errol
For the record, Errol will beating the living sh.it out of Kell but before it gets too bad I'm sure he'll have his corner throw in the towel to save face
When did Brook quit exactly? Is it Brooks fault that he didn't get ktfo ? :lol1:
You're being delusional. He did get killed. Quitting before falling isn't fooling anyone. I know you're a hardcore fan but be reasonable if you want people to take you seriously.
In what way did he get killed? on all judges scorecards he won 7/12 rounds. Pushed GGG back at times, making him miss and countering well. Landed more shots on GGG than anyone before him.
Oh yeah, let's not forget its GGG not fuking Leonard Bundu or Chris Algieri :lol1: So yeah, talk about being delusional.
You're talking as if GGG is one of the absolute bums Spence has beaten.
To me, a fighter doesn't have to be an undefeated world champion to be considered a better win than Shawn Porter.
Now after he's retired and I know what ha has done in his career and what fighters did he give problems to, Marcos Maidana is a better win than Porter. Which is ironic because I consider Porter to be the Maidana of today's WW , but less accomplished.
Khan is still a greater fighter but that might and most likely will change in the future years.
The Maidana that fought Khan was nowhere near the maidana that fought Mayweather or Broner. Nowhere near!
Khan's not getting extra points because a fighter severely improves down the line. We know Khan was avoiding that rematch.
The Maidana Khan fought had really bad nights vs the likes of chop chop corley and erik morales when morales had gone from being el terrible to just terrible. After the Khan fight he lost every round to Devon alexander of all people.
So please, that's a whole hurl of bs.
Khan would get absolutely raped by Porter which is why he'd never fight him.
If Khan is greater than Brook, he should prove it in the ring you know - against brook.
Brook would KO Spence imo. It would be a good fight, but Spence's defense is leaky and Brook is just a better all round boxer imo.
Would be a good fight though, don't think it'll happen.
Hahahahhaha the guy who needed the judges help to beat as Hearn put it "A shot blown up feather fisted lightweight"
Who's best win is considered a cherry pick for Khan or do you consider Broner his best win a guy whom barely beat a shot to **** Paulie if that, a man whom Khan stopped years earlier and many here were saying was faded then
Which fighter did Khan beat who's better than Porter? At the time of the fight.
I'll wait.
Because he is only interested in Kevin Bizier Frankie Gavin type mofos since he got his title from Porter.
Kell was hurt by Shenchenko...a guy Malinaggi stopped:lol1::lol1::lol1:
Kell does not induce fear from the WW division.
Sure he is. Which is why in that time they offered a fight to:
- Rios
- Marquez
- Spence
- Garcia
- Khan
- Vargas
If you think Brook actually wants those level of fights you are delusional.
He was momentarily buzzed and dropped him hard only seconds later. Hardly something to go by as he just took flush shots from the P4P hardest puncher in the world and didn't go down.
I think both these guys have a bit of a yellow streak in them. I know that will piss off a lot of you idiots but I said it about Matthysse years ago, I said it about Ortiz years ago and I'm saying it about these two right now.
Where exactly did you see that with brook? :lol1:
Why is Brook better? Ranking someone on achievements, which is essentially what a greatness ranking is, shouldn't take into account a mythical basis on who would win. Can't you put forward a better, more boxing oriented argument?
Khans best wins are HOFer Judah, Paulie who would go onto win a world title yet again (that title would then go form Broner to Maidana to Mayweather), including wins over Alexander, Kotelnik, Maidana and Algieri.
All of these guys were future, current or future title world holders.
Brooks only top class win, in 30 years and 30+ fights is Shawn Porter.
Which is greater?
Also Zab Judah HOFamer. Haha, that was fuking funny.
Once again no reply from LacedUp who acts like he is a boxing fan but is just some weird teenager fangirl.
... Says the guy who thinks Zab Judah is a HOFamer :lol1:
You literally couldn't make this up.
Why is Brook better? Ranking someone on achievements, which is essentially what a greatness ranking is, shouldn't take into account a mythical basis on who would win. Can't you put forward a better, more boxing oriented argument?
Khans best wins are HOFer Judah, Paulie who would go onto win a world title yet again (that title would then go form Broner to Maidana to Mayweather), including wins over Alexander, Kotelnik, Maidana and Algieri.
All of these guys were future, current or future title world holders.
Brooks only top class win, in 30 years and 30+ fights is Shawn Porter.
Which is greater?
No that's your definition of what a greater fighter is. A greater fighter can be better, have more ability or of better quality. You should look it up.
Brook does everything better than Khan and since Khan ducked him shamelessly, it's impossible for me to say Khan is better.
You do know Judah was 10 years past his prime when Khan fought him right? :lol1: All of the guys you mentioned are extremely average. Brook would be ridiculed if he fought Algieri or Kotelnik or Malignaggi. Just look at when he signed to fight a better fighter in Chaves - People said that was a cherrypick ffs.
You of course also forget to mention that Khan was iced by Garcia, by Prescott and by Canelo. He lost to Peterson.
He was dropped by Limond, dropped by Diaz, and dropped by a whole host of fighters that were complete crap. He had a war wth Algieri for crying out loud.
Sometimes your losses or wars tell you exactly what level of fighter you are. Khan was knocked spark out by Prescott, Garcia and Canelo. Brook had a competitive fight with GGG and didn't go down once. He beat an undefeated WW champ in Shawn Porter - A better win than any of Khans.
Even a guy like Bizier who beat an undefeated Frederic Lawson would probably give Khan fits ffs. That's his level if we're honest.
If he's a greater fighter than Brook, he should prove it in the ring - You know, against Brook.
If Golovkin had a resume like either of those guys, we could talk. But, he's never been in with anyone memorable so any loss he would have at this point isn't all that heavy.
I wouldn't be shocked if Brook won, but I'm not expecting him to.
So a good, not great win?
Not even close? Considering he became World CHampion after as well, I think you are pulling your own leg in saying "not even close"!
Well you were saying Brook was way better than Khan, than you can only go off resume's...what else can you go off?
Ok buddy, you've become ridiculous now and obviously you ain't here to have proper discussion.
Interim champion is not close to being world champion even if he was 1000 times interim champion he'd still only be interim chanpion. It's really that simple.
You can go off performances. For example, Brook took Matthew hatton to school. Same guy who gave Canelo a tough fight. Knocked out Senchenko in 4 rounds with no problems. Beat Shawn Porter away from home.
Khan has shown us his level by losing to a Colombian goat herder in the first round and getting knocked around like a rag doll by Willie Limond of all people. Knocked out by Garcia, lost to Peterson, knocked down by fuking Diaz, getting mauled by A crude Maidana and knocked cold by Canelo.
Morales had a golfball on his face early. Got beaten badly. :lol1: Any version of Morales will get his licks on anyone, true ATG's always will. Can't take anything away from that win.
Corley is a win. A win is a win is a win.
Khan struggled with Maidana even worse than Maidana struggled with Corley and you still hear Khantards clinging to that (best) win.
Yeah he had a golfball on his eye from the first round or something. Still managed to school Maidana for the remainder of the fight more or less. And that was old ass Morales. Maidana was supposed to destroy him.
It just doesn't make sense that Maidana was this great fighter when his Khan fight was surrounded by bad performances against average joes. He went on to lose to Devon Alexander as well.
So yeah exactly.
Better fighter you could say so simply of Khan's chin being a -10 (with the exclusion of one fight against Maidana). If he had a smidgeon of chin, he would be ahead of Brook in the skill department. Even without a chin, his resume sh*ts of Brook's.
You say Brook could soon eclipse Khan's resume... How? He has beaten one good fighter, been obliterated by another, and that's been his career :lol1:
And heads up, the argument isn't always "quality" as comparing Khan's win over Maidana to Brook's over Porter. Khan also has a HELL of a lot more quantity to his resume. Just look at soul survivor's post above us and you'll realize that...
So if Khan had a good chin it would all of a sudden also give him greater punch variety, defense, ring IQ etc? :lol1: Give Khan a chin and Brook still beats his ass badly. Khan isn't on that level at all. He's a one-dimensional fighter who relies on his speed as its all he's got.
Lol sure. Khan's resume is filled up of has-beens. He's never beaten anyone good in their prime outside of Maidana. It's really nothing to boast of .
Well I think Spence Jr would destroy Kell, he's too good and hits very hard. I doubt Kell would want to make weight at 147 just to face a beast like Spence jr. He aint no Gavin, Bizier or Dan. I think he vacates, we'll know in the next 10 days anyway.
Imagine if Spence fought Khan :lol1:
Jesus. Someone call the police and stop this brutality.
Personally I think Brook taking Porters title in the U.S. is greater than anything Khan achieved.
Khan was fed used up guys like Barrera, Euro bums like Kotelnik and feather fisted guys like Paulie. When he took on guys like Peterson and Garcia he was exposed. So then he fights a few bums / pillow fists, and gets starched by Canelo.
Rinse and repeat.
Really not a question. Porter was the hottest welterweight around and a huge favourite.
Sanchez: GGG not doing media to give Brook his moment
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/boxing/10571170/sanchez-golovkin-not-feeling-the-pressure
:lol1: This is so stupid. There's something wrong with GGG.
And khan was best in canelo lol. So what? it doesn't confirm anything except one guy is bigger than the other
Khan has a better resume to answer the op
Khan has been knocked down and out at all levels. Canelo is no GGG.
It confirms Brook is better than Khan.
Oh god, this resume bs is absolutely embarrassing.
Brook just held his own vs GGG ffs. Stood in the middle of the ring with him. Khan slept on the floor vs a much lesser fighter in Canelo.
Holy **** then we won't be able to give Brook credit should he make history tonight.
Take it how you want. GGG didn't look his usual smiley, happy self. He looked like someone with a virus.
Hopefully he'll recover fully by tonight.
it was pretty one-sided to me contrary to the score card
and with brook being up in the scorecard doesnt mean the "FIGHT" is close, he folded after the 4th round, they thought they could give 1 more though
close fight is when both are in trouble and any minute any of them will get folded
but all respect to brook, that broken orbital is bothering me though, could sideline him for a year
but it wasn't one sided. It's just incorrect to say that when Brook was teeing off with combinations.
Who did the more damaging work? Golovkin of course. But Brook backed him up and hit him with great combos, the uppercut in the 2nd was a peach.
Far from one-sided.
Srl v hacker weren't even that big upset come to think of it. Srl was so good in first place anyway that that fight was bordering on even. Same with brook, brook ius very good even drained
Biggest upset must be Tyson v buster Douglas, but they were same size guys. So its hard to say
SRL the welterweight coming off a 5 year lay off only with a gimme fight 3 years prior in which he was dropped for the first time, whilst coming up against the long time middleweight champion who was knocking everybody out.
It was a huge upset.
Brook is my answer here in this thread, but you know I can't let you slide with calling Porter a better win than Maidana right?
At the time of the Porter fight, Maidana was a bigger name and is/was a better fighter.
At the time of the Maidana/Khan fight, sure, I'll give you that Porter was a better fighter then, pre-Garcia maidana is not the same as post-garcia maidana. But p4p prime for prime Maidana destroys Porter. If Maidana was at WW right now not a soul would beat him, the only Reason Bradley and Brook are in that 1-2 spot are because he retired. And you know I think really highly of Brook so don't think I am taking anything from him, just keeping it real here.
Also, it's hard to call Maidana a "best win" for Khan because if that fight goes one more round Khan loses that fight lol. He was surviving, and Khan tards like to act like he gave Marcos a beating. After he dropped him with a body shot he did nothing but try and survive. I do have a rematch thread and I will bump it if I need to to show that the majority of NSB had Maidana bodying him.
When Brook fought Porter, Porter was a top 5 WW with a belt and an undefeated record coming off two destructive wins and was a big favourite to win against Brook. People were saying he was a mini mike tyson and Mayweather would avoid him (no, really).
When Khan fought Maidana, Maidana was a good boogeyman top 5 LWW. However, he had just been shown up by the likes of old Erik Morales and Chop chop corley. Khan still nearly died in there.
Yes, Maidana became a lot better 2-3 years down the line and possibly was a better welterweight than Porter - Not something he ever proved in the ring though, since his best WW win outside of Broner who's not a welterweight, is like Soto Karass or something.
But Khan didn't fight 2013 Maidana. He fought 2010 Maidana, so why would I say he did better than Brook?
Ok, so you refuse to answer the questions I put forward and continue to try and derail the discussion with stupidity. I end it here.
WTF are you even talking about :lol1: You asked me to provide 5 guys with a better resume I provided more. And showed you your ridiculous bias for Khan.
I also said Khan has a better resume than Brook, but his resume is still average.
So you run out of arguments, and now I'm derailing :lol1: