Have any of you guys actually ever been in a ring? If you get tagged with a good shot, one that momentarily wobbles you, you can either escape out of your opponents range, or grab on for dear life. In both cases, that's smart boxing.
I'm new to this board because I love boxing, but I really don't see many posts actually about boxing.
Long-term, Pacmcan will be thought of more highly because he has more "memorable" moments and fights. In reality, that is what builds legacy. Mayweather will always be highly thought of for his ability by knowledgable boxing fans, but Pacman will show up on boxing retrospective television shows for many years to come.
Example: How many times do we see Buster Douglas beating Tyson on TV, even now? How often do you see Roy Jones Jr. on boxing highlights?
Buster had a great historic moment, RJJ, was a dominating fighter who never really fought anyone.
Much of Floyd's "Legacy" is based on the fact that he is undefeated. He's talented, and a great defensive fighter, but he's also accused of avoiding opponents and is boring from a spectator standpoint.
Pacman's legacy is'nt tied to being undefeated, as he has losses on his record. He's known for being an exciting fighter to watch.
So if Floyd loses his legcy is seriously damaged. If Pacman loses, it remains fairly initact.
I'm ignoring the top all time pound for pound issue as a "Legacy" as that argument is always BS and full of bias regardless of whom you are talking about.
That's why it would be an interesting fight. Mayweather would be able to land a jab when he throws it. On the other hand, Pacman would also throw out a relentless offensive attack which could force Mayweather to cover up more, rolling over that left shoulder making the jab more difficult to throw.
It would be an interesting fight from a technical standpoint and the historic context. But if Floyd is able to maintain his gameplan effectively, it would be a boring fight regardless of who wins.
What we know about PAC MAN
Wow, a fighter cherry picking opponents!!! That's never happened in boxing before. We can argue all day long about the worth of a fighter after he loses. The recent run by MP may have been against some guys past their prime, but they were still for the most part before the fight considered a talented foe, who at least offered some legit challenges.
If you go back a few years ago and said a fighter would be going up against Marquez, Diaz, Dela Hoya, Hatten, Cotto, Clotty, and Margarito in succession, would buy respect from anyone who knows boxing.
Regarding the drugs, I've got my opinions on that as well but will save it for another post.
Here's what we do know about Pac Man. He always comes into the fight in shape, he's aggressive, he exciting, he's entertaining. As a life long boxing fan and former amateur fighter, I'll take that any day of the week.
So FLoyd fans hate Pacman.... Guess what, Red Sock fans hate the Yankess, Bears fans hate the Packers, Auburn fans hate Alabama, Celtic Fans hate the Lakers, Carolina fans hate Duke. What's not to understand?
Why would testing be a roadblock? Why wouldn't it be agreed upon and you move on to the next thing? Like Floyd did with all the things Pacquiao wanted?
Floyd agreed to everything Pacquiao wanted? What did Floyd give up? It's been Floyd making the requests for a 60/40 share, that the fight be called "Mayweather vs Pacquiao" instead of "Pacquiao vs Mayweather".
Pacquaio agreed to the original request by Floyd to have testing within 14, and then 7 days. Neither of which are required by any professional boxing organization. And if any of you knew anything about training and performane enhancing drugs, there is no benefit in testing anytime over blood testing up to 7 days before the fight, after the fight, and urine testing anytime.
There is no heavy training 7 days before the fight. It is mainly light training and active rest. PEDs would offer no benefit because there is no training effect. If there is blood testing after the fight, then a fighter can't be on a PED the day of the fight, so no advantage there either.
It's all smokescreens by Mayweather's camp to either get into Pacquaio's head, or to avoid the fight.
One thing for sure, Mayweather isn't doing this because he has an ethical goal to clean up boxing.
It's all about gamemanship and being in the position to dictate the requirements for the fight. It's been a part of boxing since there have been promoters and managers.
That's why there are negotiations for the size of the ring, location of venue, who comes out to the ring first, who gets 51% of the purse, who's name goes up first on the fight poster, whether drug testing should be done 7, 14, or 21 days before the fight. (sorry to break this to you, but Mayweather isn't out to clean up boxing)
Seriously??!! You people argue about which fighter is the PPV champion? Get a life. If I'm not getting any share of the take-in, I could care less. If a fighter brings in enough money to get all those involved rich, then I'm sure they're all happy.
You people are beyond sad.
It was a close fight but if you choose a defensive counter punching strategy, you need to have a more decisive victory. While JMM may have had more of the best punches of the fight, it wasn't such a difference versus MP's best punches that you could say he dominated the fight.
While he frustrated MPP a bit, JMM never forced MP to change his strategy.
MP was never hurt, was never at risk of going down, landed more punches overall, was the aggressor, and while MPP had a cut inside his mouth in the later rounds and a cut due to a head butt, it was JMM who's faced was the most marked up by the end of the fight.
Not to mention MPP was the reigning champion at that weight. Forget the names of the fighters and history of the previous matches, did the challanger do enough to de-throne the reigning champion?
It was a close fight, but how can you justify JMM winning?
How dare a trainer, who has a fighter in the position to demand what criter1a are needed set up a fight, demand that criteria.
A weight that is in his fighters advantage? Oh my!! Next thing you know trainers who have fighters with quick feet will want the fight to occur in a larger ring. And maybe if he has a slow footed brawler, he'll actually demand a smaller ring.
What's next, a fight in a champions home town?
That's what the management of a champion or higher contender is supposed to do.
I'm a huge Manny fan because he is exciting to watch and one of the few fighters who I feel always gives an effort in the wring worthy of the $50+ I spent on PPV.
Having said that, I agree that Pacman should avoid Martinez. Physically, the man Manny was 2 years ago may have won, maybe even easily. But in late 2010 and going into 2011, he's a bit slower, a bit more wear and tear, and a lot less motivated.
Now I'm not giving into the Mayweather camp. Pacman is the better fighter between the two of them. But at some point 2 issues become realities...
1. There's always a risk when a good little man takes on a good big man.
2. Age is something that every athlete loses to eventually.