No froch does not refuse a rematch, ward will simply not comeover to the UK.
Froch fought him in America, has two belts, has justed generated 22 million. Froch ducks no one, you should know this by now.
Rodriguez is no where near Bute, kessler, or groves, you know this as well.
But most importantly, there in NO other sport that would tolerate this inactivy and keep your number 1 ranking.
From Ronnie Osullivan, to Tiger woods etc, when a sportsman is inactive for what ever reason they drop out the top ten and have to work there way up.
Ward is not clocking up the ranking points to be number 1...
Lets be honest. Rankings mean nothing. Its about the money the fighter generates. Froch would get paid more from HBO if he fought then Ward would. Until Froch rectifies his loss to Ward, Ward will always be touted as better, even though froch has the better resume..
styles make fights. i think brook does better against porter than 37 year old mayweather does.
after seeing the brook fight for porter, you obviously take mayweather. that said, the style of porter is better suited for brook, who was tall and strong enough to handle porter in the clinches.
if maidana has mayweather on the ropes, it's a good bet that porter gets him there too.
i also want to add that i'm allowing brits to enjoy their win. brook is a good fighter, and he pulled off a great win. i'm not going to mention yet that you're all now fans of the andre ward style of boxing, because that MFER brook freaking clinches.
next time ward is out, celebrate him. he does what brook did on a much higher level, and he's a less prolific clincher. brook tied a man up and walked him to the ropes, hoping for a break. ward walks a man to the ropes with the intent to work. there's a difference. i'm not saying that i flag eithe rman for it, i just want to make sure it is recognized.
in time, i'll address it furhter. as i've said, i do want the brits to enjoy their win. they don't get them too often on this level.
Comparing ward to brook is a bit ridiculous. Holding is holding. Against a wild rugged fighter like Porter its the best way to beat him. Brook was certainly not boring like Ward is. He landed hard clean shots, buzzed Porter a few times as well. Anyone who has watched Kell Brook before this fight knows he is nothing like Andre Ward. The fight Kell fought was not his preferred style but it was what he had to do. In the future against more traditional types of boxers you will see his power. Although if i was him i would avoid Thurman like the plague, that guy can bang.
even if porter fought floyd or pac right now he will get blasted out of there. the level of competition is not even close.
Neither would KO Porter. Manny's power has gone and Floyd never had it to begin with. They would win UD's.
watch that fight again, and try to put kessler's handsome face out of the equation.
turn off the sound and watch their behavior int eh clinches. think about who wants a clinch and a break,, and who wants to keep his hands free and punch.
also, watch ward box his doors off without any head clashes for much fo the fight.
danes and euros have completely rewritten history with that fight. it's absurd. they clearly have only seen it once or twice.
I agree somewhat, Kessler initiated clinches as well as ward, but Ward did headbutt kessler numerous times. He would have won the fight regardless but he was dirty.
First bold is idiotic. People who say that should admit themselves to a mental institution.
Second bold. I don't know. I find it hard to believe that a guy who was excellent vs Canelo just 6 months prior, has lost his legs. The rematch will tell us more about where Floyd is.
The difference is Canelo is the most flat footed fighter in the p4p top 10. Maidana under Garcia has learned ring smarts Canelo hasnt got. Floyd had no choice to be on the ropes because Maidana walked through his shots to get on his chest. When a heavy handed guy is throwing punches from all angles, all Floyd could do was cover up. Floyd made adjustments in the later rounds and be prepared to see that for 12 rounds. Although i think Maidana rocks Floyd in this fight.
He makes the weight easily and believes he could even make 154.
He is not a big middleweight and was in fact smaller than Lemieux. People claiming he is too big simply have an agenda of not wanting their favourite fighter to have to fight him.
I have no agenda and am not criticizing him. I was just surprised at how easily he took Lemieux's and Stevens power.
i dont know about that, but i've heard it from sr's mouth that he doesn't like little floyd fighting southpaws, this was back in 09 or whenever pacquiao dismantled cotto
If so then it changed my opinion on the fight somewhat. I was always certain that Floyd would easily outpoint Manny. But if Floyd Sr did that, that raises concerns to me.
As you have mentioned his shoulder roll starts his offense, But knowing his fighting a southpaw that can easily target his head on a shoulder roll stance. He becomes a different Foyd mayweather. a floyd mayweather who can't rely on his bread and butter.
Truth hurts.. without his shoulder roll, he isn't the complete Floyd Mayweather we are accustom to see, His shoulder roll is a defensive stance and an offensive starter to Floyd. Without it he becomes a not so great fighter..
Pac will capitalize on that set back. Floyd being on a high guard will play in Pac's strengths. Toe to toe fighting is Pac's forte, add the inn and out movement of Pac, Floyd won't know what hit him.
Floyd is a defensive genius and most of his moves comes from his shoulder roll. Now, without it.. He just turns into a not so great fighter.. Pac will surely be in an advantage vs a Floyd in an offensive high guard stance, May 2 Pac will show the world what I meant.
You are deluded. If you think Floyd got to where he is today not being able to avoid a straight left hand then you need your head checking. Manny's volume will trouble Floyd. Not a straight left. Now to mention the one single punch that has troubled Manny throughout his career. The counter right. Morales popped him with it all night, as did Marquez x4, as did Bradley.
I think Kovalev is faster, stronger, and hits harder than Froch. All of that will make it much tougher for Pascal.
I think people are underestimating Pascal. Kovalev is strong but is not the fearsome puncher some make him out to be. He aint no Golovkin.
It amazes me how people think that Khan has skills just because he's fast.
And LOL at Brook fans being "salty". Brook would KO Khan if they ever fight.
Brook would not KO Khan. He has average power. Khan will outbox Kell for 10 rounds, get clipped and survive for a UD.
Im a big Khan fan but to put him even in the same breath as Mayweather is ridiculous. When your getting knocked down and badly hurt from Julio Diaz then your on Shawn Porters level. Khan has been overhyped by Goldenboy which has damaged his career. He cant mix with top level fighters until he becomes more balanced.
yes and he was also distracted by the divorce papers Jinkee sent him and he had on the wrong damn socks,he rolled out of bed on the wrong side and his pre fight meal wasnt hot enough,he usually steps in the ring left leg first but this time he stepped in right legged first.plus when he prayed before the fight God was on the toilet so he didnt send down his blessings..but still if you watch the fight in super duper slow motion with 3-d glasses on you can see Manny clearly dominated
What fight were you watching!
LOL @ Marquez fans upset because JMM hasn't and won't ever beat Manny...:bottle::bottle::bottle:
We all know that Marquez beat Manny last fight. Why was Bob Arum so quick to talk rematch? Pacman thought hed lost it, did you see his reaction when the last bell went?
Actually hes team has admitted to taking pellets for low testorone levels. Somehow they are trying to claim that even after his pellets he was below the ratio of illegal testorone. I think the phrase was 'he has the testorone levels of an 80 year old man'!
Yeah but those whose decision mattered most saw it otherwise.. Rightly or wrongly Pac retained his P4P#1 status by winning the fight...
On paper maybe, but that performance didnt credit the best fighter in the world against a fighter who is past his prime and fighting well above his weight. He was disadvantaged against Mayweather but it was obvious, the Manny vs Marquez fight was at least extremely debatable. When Floyd dominated Marquez could anyone debate it? Or did all the Pactards say the weight was the reason? But when Pac struggles against he was better 'prepared', but also two god damn years older!
Ah, ok. Because it seems that in "most", it just sounded like avoiding certain fighters.
Like who? May is too good for anyone at WW. May is most likely to come unstuck the higher in weight he goes.
It was Floyd who rejected a 50/50 deal.
It was Floyd who rejected a 45/45 with 10% for the winner deal.
It was Floyd who offered little to no PPV revenue to Manny ..... I can't believe that I used the word "offered"
So you can't say it's Arum on this one .... did you see Floyd's interview with Costa? Floyd didn't deny it!
As i said, if Arum werent involved then i believe Mayweather wouldn't be so defensive towards splits. I dont think he would agree 50/50 as he knows he generates more than Pac. But i think he would guarantee Manny 50 million which is all that Manny deserves when you look at the recent fight earnings.
Yes, Cotto had better movement/skills under his new trainer but its the damaged eye of Cotto that won it for him. I am not hating on him, i am a fan of him and rooted for him in both of his fights against Marg.
to be honest for you to discredit Cotto is ludicrous. He dominated Margarito. He had to inflict damage to make the Doc stop it. Marg woulnt have stopped Cotto in that fight, he was too elusive.
BS.. Cotto was never dehydrated on that fight with Pac.. He was just simply outclassed.. And lol on Foreman and Mayorga...Cotto is a career JWW to WW.. He hasnt even fought anybody to established himself as a credible LMW.. Not to mention has taken a beating from Marg and Pac...You dont come out the same after you were beaten from pillar to post like that...
Margarito is a cheat. Not worthy of discussion. Pac fought him at 145! Why not 147 like he is against Bradley? Too much of a risk? But his three fights after that were 147,150,147. What does that tell you? He wouldnt fight Cotto unless it was at 145! But he cant fight mosley,clottey and Bradley at 147? Double Standards.
I already did justified it, and as what most people did.. That fight with Cotto was legitimate.. There was never complained about that fight when it was made at 145.. The odds reflects it... And no Floyd is not the P4P # 1... For one thing the Ring Magazine does not agree with it..
Floyd's inactivity is what gives people doubts. But he is the most technically gifted and undefeated. Manny has lost, and more than twice in my opinion. Some people could argue that he deserves to have 4 or 5 losses depending on how you take the Marquez trilogy.
True.. But Martinez should not even be calling at Pac and May.. He is a 154-160 fighter.. He should fight guys like Sturm, Angulo, Kirkland.. Or go up to 168 to fight those guys who fought at the super six..
He knows where his bread is buttered.
Get it into your head Larry, he beat Peterson. Come back to me after he does it again and we can have this discussion.
Mayweather can't bang like Prescott or even Maidana (who Khan beat), that point is irrelevant.
Bottom line is Khan is faster than Mayweather, he does not have to fear Mayweather's one punch power, he is more mobile than Mayweather and does not have to worry about any inside game.
Stylistically it's a great fight for Khan.
It takes more than speed to trouble May. Ask ortiz about Mayweather's power. If peterson can walk down Khan and be effective as crude as his style is then Mayweather would walk khan down and win a UD. Its ok to talk about styles and what not but even if Khan's style would be effective against May it takes a guy who can carry out a tactical gameplan. And if any one is honest with themselves Khan is not that man.
Because the damaged eye did play a big part in the rematch.
Elusive is too strong of a word. Just look at the face of Cotto, its marked up. And when Marg was getting the better of him, it look like the Cotto in the 1st fight.
Cotto in the first fight was more or less turning his back to Marg. He took a few shots but thats boxing. He never looked hassled and never looked in trouble. Marg was always going to come into the fight at some point. Regardless of bad eye, cotto had to execute a gameplan that targeted his weak eye. It is what it is.
Why did Cotto choose to fight Marg at 153?
Pac would still beat a 147 version of Cotto. The fight would happen in the same way. It was the uppercut/hook to Cotto's face that damaged Cotto in that fight. It was around 5-6th round.
Im not saying either way who would win. Im saying if Pac is p4p no 1 then why does he need to get fighters to a weight where he knows they dont pose a danger. But mayweather is fighting cotto at 154 where Cotto looked great against Marg. If Pactards preach he is p4p no 1 then fight a guy at his best weight. Former P4P greats would have.
I think Gamboa has the right idea. He is the guy who steps in the ring why does he have to pay some jewish twat to promote a mediocre setting which is embarassing compared to the european fight nights. The Klitschko shows are amazing apart from the fights. What does Bob Arum now about boxing? Why should he make money of talented sportsman who train so hard to take pennys away from a fight.
I say get rid of promoters all together and have one organisation that deals with the disciplinary side of boxing and the promotional side of boxing. If the boxer has skills, or is intruiging to watch then why does the sport need promoters.
For instance the ongoing saga between TR and GB. It is stopping so many decent fights happen due to greed and stubborness. Bob Arum is a control freak, why doesnt he just let Gamboa go on to better his career. If he cared about boxing then he would not threaten to destroy such a talented boxer's career. Surely Gamboa being able to fight is a positive for boxing.
The fact that he agreed to move up two weight divisions to face the most dangerous guy at 135 shows great confidence and balls if im honest. There must have been a reason why Gamboa didn't want to fight, why would he agree and then walk away and tarnish his reputation which could affect his future?
This^^
They're both greedy and opportunistic but expect floyd fans to put all the blame on arum.
Floyd is the fighter, why should Arum benefit from Floyd? Floyd puts his health at risk and Floyd trains for the fight not Arum.
Arum is demanding something when he puts no work into the fight. I can guarantee if Pacquaio was with GB or promoted himself then Floyd would agree 50-50. He doesnt want to give Arum a penny as he saw what he was and got himself outta there. May probably feels Arum robbed him when under contract so why should he give Arum his retirement fund.
If i was in May's position, i would persuade Pac to come away from Bob. But Arum has got manny signed till the end of his career. If May has a sudden financial crisis then thats the only situation he would lower himself to do business with Arum and i support him.
After he established himself as a career WW.. At what weight Pac was fighting when fought Cotto..
Dont justify it. He didnt want Cotto this time. May is proving if the money's right he will fight most fighters in the division. True P4P no 1!
So you mean that he couldnt make a big money fight with guys like Ward, and Froch...
I am a big fan of Froch but thats peanuts compared to Pac and May. He knows hes too big for Pac and has advantages over mayweather. Its a no-brainer, he beats Pac and gets a huge payday. He probably beats May and gets a huge Payday. Ward would beat Martinez and Froch probably causes him problems.