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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RcIun4LK8
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Haha wow! I watched the whole thing, biggest bunch of BS i've ever heard.
That's how you end an alts thread. Hit him with facts.
And, yes...Pac refused random blood testing also because he wanted to know when the cut off date was. Wtf! The threat has to be right up until fight time.
This is not saying Pac was guilty, but red flags were raised. Pac was blood tested before the first Morales fight and lost.
I'm an alt? and how long was the cutoff date before the fight for Floyd's proposal of the Pacquaio fight then?
Boxing, cycling, there is a list of things that you can not take.
You can be found guilty of using something that is not on that list also. That's what Armstrong did. He used other stuff that was not on that list.
That doesn't stop cheaters from using PEDS. There has been and always will be ways to get around testing. Until there is diehard proof that Floyd AND Pac cheated, just stfu.
Floyd and Pac make it easy for us to want to speculate. They act shady a lot, especially Floyd. At least Pac is being tested by VADA now
I wouldn't be shocked one bit if Floyd is another dirty fighter. We are talking about a guy that has no respect for most rules and feels he is above them. He tried to not pay his taxes. Has been to jail for laying his hands on a women and has been accused of doing the same thing to a security guard and trying to run a guy off the road that he had a dispute with.
Couple that with his greed and wanting to stay on top to keep the money rolling in and to think he would be above using something to stay in shape and hold off father time would be naive. Even if he is caught down the line the $$ would be worth it.
Its also pretty damn hilarious to see people playing dumb about USADA. Lance Armstrong bragged about paying these guys off for years and how they were willing partners in keeping his tests clean. It wasn't until that money stopped coming in that they became holier than thou and ratted him out. You think right now Floyd doesn't have the money and they wouldn't have the willingness to do the same thing for him?
Realistically if Floyd or Pac were on something we are likely not to know anything until years after they retire. Most likely some hanger on that is cut out of the loop will want to cash in and reveal something if there is anything there.
Is that accurate? Did Lance actually insinuate that? Because that changes a lot.
A lot of people just like to hate on the guy who's doing well. Like I'm sure in his heyday, a lot of people hated/wanted to see SRR get his ass kicked, just because he was amazing. AS this becomes the consensus, more and more fans start thinking the same way, making a hater base
BIG GEORGE FOREMAN
First guy who came to mind when I read the OP. Unless you don't count Rumble in the Jungle, but he was really mentally beaten up after that fight so I count it
But I think the question that should really be being asked here is: If these fighters aren't cheating, why would they be opposed to random testing? Floyd and Ward can preach all that "I don't know about the organization" nonsense all they want. VADA is probably the most thorough anti doping agency out today and some of boxing's top performers aren't willing to test with them.
who the fuk ever said that? lmao. Have you noticed how now pac fans say people who dont take tests, like ward are cheaters, but pac gets a pass for not taking test for the floyd fight?
Speaking of Ward
@TomBoxingAsylum Andre Ward as well, couldn't believe the flimsy excuses he came up with for not doing vada testing.— marcus bellinger (@marcusknockout) November 19, 2013
Not sure if this is offical, but he may have refused VADA testing
The USADA equivalent. Doesn't matter what it was called back then. History has shown that American sponsored testing agencies hide positive test results.
Floyd and his 100's of millions of dollars looks mighty suspicious when he insists on using USADA only.
Take the test! Lol
Very interesting point
He was even asked by a reporter whether he knew what Testosterone replacement therapy was, and he had the dumbest look on his face, like he'd seen a ghost.
I've always known the guys been on the juice. It didn't take me those fights to figure that out.
Besides the "evidence" you guys have posted, what makes you so sure?
Is this from that old Hauser article? If so its been discussed to death.
Just found this from a tweet
this thread is exploding,,, will reach 50+ pages soon,, maybe even 100 like the duran says floyd would be average in his era thread
I know its awesome :fing26::fing26:
No. Floyd Mayweather did not refuse VADA. Many of you folks are so behind the times, that you didn't realize that VADA didn't exist whatsoever when Floyd wanted random drug testing for the negotiated Pacquiao fight, and then for the bout with Shane Mosley. Only USADA existed.
Afterwards, Victor Conte, in my opinion, gathered up a crew to help form VADA, which would be a cheaper alternative to USADA for basically the same service. Floyd never had the chance to turn down VADA. Keep in mind that VADA and USADA doesn't approach fighters, it's the fighters that approach them.
Last, the twitter guy doesn't know the difference between WADA and USADA and VADA.
So, you're under the impression that Floyd would use VADA now? I actually wasn't aware that VADA wasn't around at that point.
And wow I was very ill-informed about VADA. Lampley made it seem like VADA was so revolutionary and amazingly thorough, I bought into the hype.
Floyd started the random drug testing crusade. Andre Ward has yet to use USADA, VADA, or any other form of random drug testing for his fights. A big difference between the two.
VADA is not more thorough than USADA, and vice versa. But guys like Victor Conte and his puppets would have you believe otherwise because has he invested interest in VADA. Otherwise, how could he have the power the sponsor both Rodriguez and Ward for testing? Free of charge to the fighters? These are just some of the things that Conte puppets like Max Boxing, never question.
By the way, for most title fights, neither USADA or VADA is being used. Don't act like lots of fighters are using either one. They do few tests per year. And now that NSAC has a random testing setup, I imagine USADA and VADA will be used even less.
I wonder why. Ward doesn't seem like the type to be using PED's but I guess anything to get ahead.
The NSAC is used more for title fights? Damn
Love that Foreman gif though :boxing:
Thanks man, he's my favorite Golden Age Era boxer
But everyone is here talking about floyd
Everyone on the forum is in this thread, at this moment, right now? That's pretty amazing.
There was no reason to come in here and complain. If you wanna talk about Pac-man, make a thread or go post in the sticky. Or search for a thread on him. That simple.
Dont take things literally, you knew what i meant. And i was just teasing so relax.
Love him or hate him floyd is boxing
I'm a sarcastic dude lol. And I get that, I just saw this post today on twitter that's how this discussion came about. Because I had questions about the doping agencies myself not specifically Floyd
Needles was the first one
Really? Wowww
He refused random testing. Wanted to set dates, which is extremely suspicious.
Yes it is. I wonder if he was clean back in the day. Apparently he's with VADA now so he may have gone clean
VADA is like 2 years old. Whats the difference between USADA and VADA?
VADA is so far the more clean cut organization between the two. USADA has a history with Floyd. USADA might be in "cahoots" lol with Floyd, or at least that would be the consensus notion.
VADA is new, and the testing is extensive and they claim more thorough than other testing organizations, which is probably why some fighters refuse to work with them. Higher chances of getting caught
Ward was keep it real when he said he wasn't going to just enroll in anything without knowing anything about it. I hate that all of this is being carried out by a third party one way or the other.
VADA's purpose is pretty straightforward, right?
But that's the thing -- the Commission gets told about it from USADA. By default, USADA sanctions athletes who test positive. And by sanctioning them, they also inform the governing bodies about the sanction too. Not only do they sanction an athlete and tell the authorities of their respective sport, but they report the sanctions publicly.
VADA does not release results publicly, it's definitely internal. And VADA has issues but it's never brought to light because there are journalists who are nothing more than Conte puppets. They won't say a word about how VADA held onto Peterson's positive result til the last minute before informing NSAC. Not only that, but it was only Peterson who knew about the positive. And Peterson told VADA not to tell anyone. VADA obliged and said they will wait til the B-sample returns.
VADA also is controversial because of their ties to Conte. There have been reports that Conte spearheaded VADA. These reports existed before VADA was officially formed as Conte was bragging about it initially. Also, there are other questions no writers follow up on. So for instance, Edwin Rodriguez went on record and said that Conte sponsored his VADA test. And that Conte also wanted to sponsor the test for Ward.
How in the world could Conte sponsor the tests for Ward vs. Rodriguez if he had no power within VADA? :) Of course, the Conte puppets will turn a blind eye.
Can you source all of that?
I can't believe all of these Pac fans are trying to discredit Mayweather's test results when Manny REFUSED a blood test for FOUR YEARS. We could've had May vs. Pac in 2010 if it wasn't for Manny ducking blood testing. How soon we forget.
Manny was refusing the testing? On what grounds?
Its tough getting punched in the face for 36 minutes by another fit strong athlete trained to dissect you with his fists, takes time to recover and get back to training for the next fight.
I think its all money bro. Back in the early days of boxing the best boxers in the world, guys like SRR, would fight 10 times a year. It's all about the money, recovery time isn't bad for these guys, unless you're like Tim Bradley after the Provodnikov fight everytime you fight
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Explain your side
IMO this comes down to who hits harder. This will be Wilder's first real test and a step up in competition. Fury is the safer pick by far, but I wouldn't completely count Wilder out
It had a history with Floyd because when Floyd was getting stricter tests, WADA assigned USADA for his fights because they were the most reputable in 2010
I found this link from an old thread on this site concerning VADA vs USADA
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/the-ped-mess-part-two
The fights will be more competitive and suspenseful but only because the top HWs won't be as good as either K-bros, if you call that "better" then that is your opinion.
In this thread better=more entertaining/competitive
It will be more exciting...will it be better? Depends what you consider better I guess. I don't see anyone right now that can be a long reign title holder in the division. You will get more exciting fights though, because while the klits are dominate they aren't all too easy to watch. Bernard was dominate at Middleweight but his fights weren't always exciting. The middleweight division now is a lot more exciting, though I don't think anyone in it now would've beat bernard when he was there.
More exciting? Probably yes. More fights being made, more titles changing hands. A better overall skill level? Very very unlikely. It depends on what you like to see.
This is what I was trying to imply with the OP it'll be much more exciting now
Mind explaining?
My mistake, I let that last fight with Stevens like change the size of a normal middleweight in my head. They're all usually around Golovkins size
Honestly, Only way I can see Ward taking that spot while Floyd is still active is winning titles all the way up to CW or HW
That or completely clean out LHW and CW.
Really? All that is necessary for him to be called #1 P4P?
GGG is a regular sized middleweight. Stevens is short but stocky, he's the one who was fighting at 168 not so long ago.
http://youtu.be/T0sFjvk7n5c?t=2m40s
Yeah I see now, and well Stieglitz doesn't have Gennady's chin that's for sure
I think Stevens is a just a small MW. Someone on NSB posted in the AMs he even fought at heavy before and he used to fight at LHW in the beginning of his career in the pros. He's actually in shape at MW.
Doesn't make him a good boxer, but he just has that frame. I think GGG would do fine at SMW. He's 5'10" with a 70" inch, so if his skill really is ATG potential then he should show it later in his career if he does move up.
Stevens fought at HW? At 5'6?? Crazy, and maybe, but like someone else in this thread mentioned, many 168 lbers are 175ers who moved down in weight. So GGG would be undersized any way you put it. But he does have the boxing skill to do well IMO. I think he'd do well, just the top guys would give him some hard mathchups