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Floyd Mayweather will beat Canelo Alvarez by unanimous decision he won't even get touched or hurt in that fight easy work. Danny Garcia will knockout Lucas Mattysse or win a Decision, its a toss up but Danny will win (I am a Lucas fan by the way) Wladimir Klitschko will TKO Alexander Povetkin in the later rounds. Tim Bradley will outbox Juan Manuel Marquez look for Bradley to force JMM to come at him, UD Bradley. Bernard Hopkins will beat Karo Murat by easy decision Brandon Rios will KO Manny Pacquiao within 3 rounds, Rios will take every single punch and drop and wobble Pacman early and than finish him with a devastating Jab If you guys want me to give you predictions for upcoming fights just drop them. I am pretty good and accurate with my predictions. Good stuff bro, the haters will look at the one miss, but you batted .8333 with those picks!

Bernard Hopkins will beat Beibut Shumenov in a boring easy unanimous decision. Shawn Porter will maul Malignaggi and win a decision Peter Quillin will beat that white opponent by knockout Hit these right on the head. Good stuff.

Well top rank has a deal for 54 fights but they don't have that amount of fighters. If haymon could put lou dibella fighters, tom brown, or any other promoters fighters than its possible. Well, how many legit fighters does Tom Brown have anyways that aren't Haymon guys? Which guy does he have independent of Haymon? Dibella has some, but not really the case for Tom Brown. TR has 54 cards per year, but a good portion of that is international cards. I'm interested in seeing how that plays out as they can't pick up Matchroom cards. And SHO is likely to pick up cards of fighters like Frampton/Fury/etc. FOX doesn't need a crap load of cards. With SHO putting on about 20-24 cards a year, they only need 6-8 big FOX cards. That will equal big time quality. And then they can put some solid fights from fighters trying rebuild themselves and prospects on FS1.

True 104 is excessive however and this is a really big IF this were true that means pbc would essentially be giving two fights a week and he would have to get the extra fighters from somewhere possibly stealing fighters/fights from espn/toprank deal. Imagine international fights/fighters having the option of being broadcast on ESPN+ or fox sports on tv which as a promoter would you pick? Yeah I know this is way far off. But know one really knows anything until the deal is announced. The OP was talking absolute rubbish (British voice). Stop, FOX is not giving no 104 cards per year deal lol. And why would you want that? More boxing in all likelihood just equals less quality. There will be plenty of big cards and lower level cards via both SHO/FOX/FS1 to satisfy the viewing audience.

I didn't say that I wanted this nor do I think it would/could happen I was simply saying if this were true (which we all know isn't likely) PBC would have to steal fights or work with others in order to fill dates. That would be ideal, but with damn near every big promoter signing exclusive deals with networks, it seems unlikely. Well, unless you have fights mandated to happen from the sanctioning bodies.

I'm saying Ortiz is better. Whyte went life and death with guys like Chisora whom was struggling with Malik Scott of all people also lost to that no name guy, just beat Takam (pedvetkin's best win in years) too. Ortiz on the other hand dominated Scott entirely. Pulev looked average vs Thompson, Ortiz dominated. Jennings was also looking pretty damn good vs Wlad compared to all his other opponents, he also has notable wins over Perez & Szpilka who was undefeated. I meant Ortiz not Whyte.

Knocked out in 2 by Ortiz, do people really not see the difference in class between Ortiz and these guys like Parker-Whyte? Ortiz is clearly better. But knocking this guy out in two rounds doesn't prove it.

I think he's proven his class plenty of times vs guys like Tony Thompson, Malik Scott, Bryant Jennings. Even Dereck Chisora had to come back to win by a controversial KO vs a guy like Malik Scott. Bryant Jennings showed his quality vs Klitschko, Perez and Szpilka Even vs Tony Thompson he performed far better than Kubrat Pulev. Thompson Pulev was a 116-112 type fight on some people's cards, on the other hand Ortiz handled Thompson even easier than Klitschko did. You can see the skill in there, Parker and Whyte are just brawlers, Ortiz on the other hand you see footwork, jab, counter punching, defense etc. Absolutely, it is obvious that Whyte is better, just saying you can't just use this fight as the deciding factor. Look at how mediocre he looked against guys like Ruiz/Fury/Cojanu/etc. Parker just isn't that guy. Solid guy that could give fighters fits for spurts with his speed/athleticism, but clearly lacks another gear.

Being only on fox and showtime is good. Not sure how that’s a bad thing especially since it’s not a time buy. Pbc spread itself too thin by being on 20 diff channels. Right, if the PBC was heavily invested in more than two networks, then the quality would drop. Right now there is more than enough talent for both SHO/FOX to get on good shows.

Exactly what happened, allowed him to negotiate. The lawsuits definitely slowed things down for Haymon, but it ended up working out fine for him. This was the major lawsuit from all the ones he had to deal with.

PBC may not have ended up how some thought it would end up, but Haymon still got what he needed. When it first started, the goal was for multiple networks to invest in the PBC after the time buys ran out with the hope of having a 100+ million budget. Now, maybe he didn't get two terrestrial networks as he wanted, but he still ended up with two networks investing big bucks into the PBC. Did people think the PBC was going to have 200+ million per year in their budget to satisfy the investors? I keep seeing people list how much money they spent and how the investors will never see the money, but what were they realistically expecting? Were they expecting to get their money back in five years? Regardless of how the PBC ended up here, they achieved in getting two networks to back them. And who knows, after the four year deal with FOX expires, they may end up re-upping for double that depending on how well the product is and what FOX wants to do with their programming. Look at how much the UFC was sold for. You think they are upset they won't be getting a ROI for a while? As more players enter the game, the more networks will have to invest in this sport. Haymon has by far the best and deepest stable in the game so he will always be a commodity for networks. If he got $60 million a year from both SHO/FOX, what is to say that number doesn't jump up the next time around? Actually, that's probably exactly what will happen. So the investors in the long run will be fine as long as Haymon has multiple network deals.

Things didn't work out with NBC, ESPN and Spike TV but they got FOX to invest into boxing as well as Showtime to invest even more into boxing. So I would say buying TV Time with multiple networks was a great move by PBC and in the Process it raised Spence Jr, Wilder, Leo Santa Cruz, Charlo Brothers and others Profile. They're more known now than they was Pre-PBC Happy for the fighters most importantly, Haymon and the investors behind PBC are already Wealthy I'm sure but for the fighters this is HUGE! :lol1: at all the miserable trolling idiots on this forum who prayed and prayed for the downfall for PBC while Supposedly being a "BOXING FAN" Yep, the initial plan definitely had its flaws that are clear, but that was going to happen as this was the first time something like this had taken place in boxing. Al spent unnecessary money on production and tried to take away the ring walks to make it look more corporate, but this is boxing and it is the opposite of corporate. Did he overpay for a lot of fighters early on? Absolutely, but how else was he going to get them? Hearn was not happy with Haymon when he was doing it, but what has he done since taking over DAZN? Pretty much the same thing and even admitted doing so. If the plan was to turn the model into a UFC infrastructure, then it was never going to happen with the amount of promoters and good fighters elsewhere. Like I mentioned a few weeks ago, when the PBC launched, Haymon had one P4P top 10 fighter in Mayweather who was never going to fight on a PBC card. So you can't become the UFC when the best fighters are elsewhere. But he has built the biggest and deepest stable from any manager/advisor and now some of his core fighters are ready to take the next step. Wilder likely will be a PPV fighter from this day on, Spence after a marquee win or two will become one of the biggest stars in boxing and he has others on the verge of breaking out. I'm sure he would have loved to get FOX AND NBC or FOX AND ABC, but getting FOX+SHO isn't a bad consolation price, especially with the type of budget he has assembled. So no one wants to answer my question of the ROI in my other post? Folks keep alluding to the money "burned" and how investors won't be seeing it any time soon, like that was ever going to happen? The investors knew this was a long-term ploy as did the UFC buyers.

Totally agree. On Mayweather, I read some place that he and Al actually have no contract and never have. I believe Al takes 10% off the top or traditional music manager fee off of floyd (I'll see if I can find that article). So the Mayweather Showtime deal I'm going to guess he made in the 50's for the 6 fights including Pacquio and my guess is 25ish for McGregor. What he did with the money? Looks like he invested wisely. I know he sold Bounce for a huge number to Sinclair. He also sold his music business a long time ago to what is now live nation. I think it is a fair guess to think he made 50-60 million off those two fights. And I bet he didn't just pocket that money, but put some down on the investment. What is the latest on the lawsuit? Wasn't there supposed to be some important date coming up in July?

Paul Gift wrote that the lawsuit (I'm assuming we are talking the investor lawsuit) was settled. Looks like they paid attorney fees and nothing else. Good for the attorney's who brought the case. Here is a link on their website: https://www.zamansky.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Amended-Notice.pdf Settled in April eh? Not sure how I missed that. Well, that's good to hear. Probably allowed him to start negotiating the network deals after that was taken care of.

In short, it didn’t stop them from doing anything. Why would you mention the current agreement of fights taking place on FOX? That is completely irrelevant to the new FOX deal. It sure made it easier to negotiate without that case over his head.

It never stopped them from negotiating, just like it never stopped them from putting fights on FOX. Why would it have stoppped them from having fights on FOX? The prior deal has nothing to do with the current deal.

Well, they won't have a weekly series, but it will definitely be easier to follow being on only FOX/FS1/SHO.

Didn't see the ROI question but let's think about this pretty rationally. The UFC publishes their numbers as does the WWE. If we are ballpark right and the two deals are $100 mln in TV, likely some sponsorship and venue so let's say they are doing $110mln of revenue. Fighters are going to take 60% (aggressive vs. other sports but it's Al so let's lean that way) so let's say $44 of net revenue to the business and his corporate expense can't be much but let's say it's $15 mln that leaves you about $30mln in bottom line (some slippage but not a lot with paying promoters, etc) but at $30 mln in profit these business trade for 12-15X cash flow (looking at WWE, UFC, New York Knicks through MSG) then the business today is worth $350 to $450 mln today post signing these deals. So ROI is still negative on the $550 but catching up quickly. If they can grow this TV deal into $150-$200 in four years then boom ROI's start to explode. Yep. Depending on how successful this series with FOX is and the type of investment they get the next time around, everything could flip. It already has started to do so. If Haymon was just relegated to SHO with a $50 million investment, then obviously that would have been a big failure. But FOX like ESPN needs a lot of sports content right now so it is great timing for Al and the PBC. If we get SHO level fights on FOX, then the ratings will take care of itself and the quality will match what FOX is looking for. Also, how much money do you think Haymon made off the McGregor/Pacquiao fights? And what do you think he did with that money?

His reflexes were so slow early on and all fight he got hit with shots that he would usually slip. His time at the top is over, on to the next one. Bivol vs Alvarez vs Gvozdyk vs Jack. One of them will emerge as the top dog soon hopefully.

As soon as it is up on the DirecTV site, I will order it. Usually a little less than two weeks out is the norm.

Of course, you just have to accept he's not a disciplined fighter and will be a bit inconsistent. I'm not going go lie, it was disgusting seeing how he was eating two weeks before the fight, but this is just who he is. Bring on Ruiz vs Kownacki or Ortiz!

Ruiz would absolutely destroy Kownacki. Eat him alive. That's a terrible matchup for the Poll, stylistically. Tend to think he'd beat Ortiz too. Wilder would KO Ruiz. Dude just eats too many right hands - which is fine because he has a great chin. But not against Wilder. I don't know if Ruiz beats Ortiz, he better be disciplined and on his game. Kownacki vs Ruiz would be an exciting war.

Yeah AJ Vs Pulev homecoming fight at Tottenham ground in May time, between football season and Euro 2020 sounds a good shout... Good points above. This makes me think AJ Vs Fury would be a lot more competitive than people thought. AJ could hang with Fury in a boxing match, and Fury always gets tagged himself and AJ has the power to hurt him. Wilder is just something different, and a special case for anyone. You really do have to be perfect, and AJ always gets tagged too. Wilders power is something else. But Joshua having this style in his back pocket to go to if he needs it is so valuable. Now he can truly switch it up fight by fight depending on the opponent. Wilder can really only fight one way, but if you don't go to take him out, you are giving him a lot of time to just land one of his big shots. Joshua finally got the right build he needed by losing that extra mass. He should come in like this every single fight the rest of his career. Fury fight to me was always competitive. Fury isn't going to just knock Joshua out and Joshua has enough boxing ability to win rounds off of him. Enough to beat him? I don't know, only one way to tell.

solid points. AJ is a thinking fighter, and has a great team behind him, so he won't come out with the same gameplan against wilder. AJ has a mandatory against Usyk though. that's a much tougher fight than ruiz. we''ll see usyk vs chisora first and that's intriguing But that's why I said Usyk being with Hearn, they won't call for it next. Joshua also has a mandatory against Pulev which has to be fought before the end of May I believe. Yeah, will be interesting to see which game plan he uses against Wilder if that fight happens. Will have to mix it up but just dangerous leaving Wilder in the fight for 12 rounds. But that's still a great match up regardless what anyone says. Again, much props to Joshua to regain his belts six months after his most devastating moment of his career. That shows his champion mettle.

Next year is Pulev and Usyk, I have no doubt about that. I also have no issues with it. No one should. Fury vs Wilder may fight part three right after the rematch.

you are overrating wilder's power. stiverne went the full 12 rounds with wilder. fury beat wilder and in the process took wilder's best shots and recovered. wilder is severely limited and can win only one way There is no such thing as overrating Wilder's power, it's most definitely special. Stiverne did take his shots and props to him, but Wilder was trying to more so just box him. But Fury hardly got touched against Wilder and when he did, he went down.

Btw...I swear the weirdest thing about this site is the insistence for a lot on here to defend not just fighters, but also their PPV numbers, promoters, etc. Like it's bizarre...I like GGG but if someone talked sh.it about his PPV numbers, well he just isn't really a PPV guy on his own, almost no one else is in the game today, there is no shame in that. You guys getting all emotional over PPV numbers and refusing to believe that PPV is basically dead and that most guys don't sell these days...I mean I don't really get that angle. Getting emotional? Huh? You call my posts getting emotional?

I actually think something along these lines is how he should fight Wilder, he can out box and out jab Wilder and slowly break him down. Just stay away from the right hand, AJ has a lot more in the arsenal and if he catches Wilder clean, he can go for the finish. Wilder doesn't have near the hand speed Ruiz does and is not the same kind of threat when hurt. Obviously if you get caught with the right though, it's curtains. Don't think this style would work well against Fury though. You need to go at him aggressively, push the pace and try to blast Fury out of there. AJ ain't winning a boxing match against him, but he also doesn't need to be concerned about what's coming back at him compared to these other guys. As you've said, I think AJ/Pulev at New White Hart Lane will be the fight for Spring/Summer. Wilder and Fury will probably have a trilogy. Usyk/Chisora in February, Parker gets a tuneup, then Parker/Usyk for the vacant WBO. If Usyk wins, he unifies with Joshua at the end of the year. Things get a bit trickier if Parker beats Usyk, cuz I'm not sure what the clamor would be for AJ/Parker 2 with the guys bringing in the exact same belts as last time. I think if Parker won that belt, you could actually see him fight Whyte again, or even go after whomever is the WBC champ at the time in a unification. If Parker somehow wins THAT fight, then a mega in house unification with AJ for all the belts becomes a much more significant fight. Joshua will need to mix it up, but will have to box in spots for sure. The problem with that is as I've mentioned a few times, keeping Wilder in the fight for 12 rounds is a VERY dangerous game. And while Wilder isn't quite as fast as Ruiz, he does have quick enough hands and more importantly has the length that Ruiz does not. It's a tough fight for both fighters. I don't see Joshua vacating the WBO. He fights Pulev next May and then fights Usyk later in the year.

they've already called the mando tho. within the last hour. Sure, and IBF called for Joshua/Ruiz winner to face Pulev before the end of May. Joshua can fight Pulev next and then Usyk after that. Usyk can fight Chisora while Joshua fights Pulev.

AJ has a shot against Fury and Wilder. Fury was bleeding all over in the Otto fight. Wilders lost what 15 of the last 20 rounds hes fought, until the right hand ended the fight/saved him with a draw. All these guys have shown they can be beat on any given night. Of course, they all have flaws and all can be beaten. Fury is probably the most talented of them all but he lacks pop. Wilder is the worst boxer of the three but he has game ending power and good timing. Joshua is the best mixture of boxer/puncher from the three but his chin isn't the best. I don't like giving hypothetical wins, they need to all face off to see who truly is the top dog. That was my mindset even after the Ruiz fight where people tried giving Wilder the unofficially win. Nah, that's not how it works.