I know in sprinting there is some truth to racial differences eg research has shown a small percentage of Afro Caribbeans tend to have an advantage albeit slight due to genetic differences. Michael Johnson also done a program on this prior to the London 2012 Olympics and the programme showed there was a mixture of genetic, environmental and even historical factors as to why Jamaicans tend to well in sprinting eg the slave trade produced a stronger concentration of healthier people eg linked to survival of the fittest.
Likewise scientific studies have show certain groups of black people have higher bone density etc linked to their white counterparts.
Then there is the environmental debate as to why black people tend to have a high proportion of participants in certain sports eg as a way out of poverty.Hence boxing was a way out for lot of black people similar to other sports although things are changing.
Personally environment may have a big part to play in it though there maybe other factors as well eg environmental eg think of the nature (genes)/nurture (environment)debate with regards to why we have the personality we do.I think the same theory can be used in this debate as well.Hence whether we like it or not environment does shape us physically. Look at humans and animals for one and how they they adapt to their environment. Hence black peoples skin is dark as a way of protecting them against the sun .Likewise Chinese/Eskimo people have evolved slitty eyes to protect them against the sun.
Be interested to hear other views especially those who have been in the boxing game ?Race isn’t based on genetics though. Race is just a social construct. For instance, there’s more genetic diversity amongst Africans than any other group.
Race is based on skin complexion and other superficial phenotypical traits.
Haymon's black fighters Wilder, Floyd, Broner, Spence, Porter, Davis all blatantly protected. Undeniable Fact.
I don’t argue with fools. You clearly have an inferiority complex.
White fighters don't want or need protection. They want to fight the best and let the chips fall where they may.
Haymon's black fighters all want the path of least resistance and easy fights for easy money. This is the mayweather effect on the sport. Mayweather's cowardice and handpicking has had a very bad impact on American boxing.
Blatant racist posts like this is just allowed to be posted with no consequences lol.
Sorry floyd lovers... Floyd admitted that he was to blame for fighting scared. Pac is injured but he still make floyd go to a survival mode....
Sorry ms. Pasawayako, but even 4 and half years later your tears are still delicious. Seriously, this couldn’t have happened to a more deserving group of people. Pacquiao fans are clearly the most feminine b*tchmade fan base that boxing has ever seen. It’s not even close. I’ve never ever encountered a more insufferable pathetic group. Just no integrity and it’s all pacquiao’s fault because he embodies it with his fake humbleness and humility. He’s a fake phony POS and so are his fans. He lied about his shoulder being injured in an attempt to save face and *****ed himself out of the at least 8 figures he would’ve got in the rematch in the process. Floyd was actually going to give this guy a rematch until he came with the lies about being injured lol. Floyd realized that pacquiao is a POS and is just going to troll him from here on out and what he/y’all deserve. Gotta live with it forever.
Really enjoyed the card. What pisses me off is this is the kind of card that should be standard for all shows on Fox and SHO given the talent pbc has.
Use shobox and fs1 for the lower tier talent and young guys on the come up.
Ppv should only be for fighters that deserve to be on ppv like manny.
With Hurd, jrock, charlo and the jmw’s all the ww, the top fw’s the hws and sprinkle in other guys PBC could be putting on great cards monthly in 2020.
Really strong card last night.I agree and maybe that’s what Charlo meant last night when he said 2020 will be lit/loud or whatever the exact phrase he used lol. Very entertaining card and the commercial breaks weren’t even a factor.
Funny a few post back you're linking articles about Latino's beating woman.
You get really defensive when you see your hero Assaulting a woman in front of thousand at a basketball game don't you B*tch.
Yes, those articles are interesting because I see posters here talking about American “thug/ghetto” culture in reference to a story about 1 individual American black man. Violence against women seems to be a much bigger issue throughout Latin/Hispanic culture vs American culture wouldn’t you agree?
I’m American, so yea I do get defensive when people are looking for excuses to bash American “thug/ghetto” culture....especially when their cultures ain’t s**t lol. Had focus just remained on tank, maybe the culture conversations could’ve been avoided.
They say America is the MECCA of Boxing. It certainly seems to be the Mecca of Boxers punching and physically abusing women and under age girls. Especially those linked to Floyd or the PBC.
This inferiority complex having cuc loser is just as pathetic as young bidness lol. Everything she posts is a dog whistle shot at blacks.
How come every single thread involving a black boxer you pop up and turn it into something it isn’t, it’s happened a few times...your a very negative/bitter man.
Tank is trash, plenty white and Mexican boxers are trash too, what’s to argue about.
I only respond to the underhanded racial comments, I don’t start anything. You can keep crying pretending not to see the comments antagonizing blacks like a pussC all you want though.
you guys still refuse to get it...still refuse to snap out of your fantasy world where all the guys make the best fights out of honor for the sport and don't care about money or careers or futures lol
it must be nice living in that bubble
ask yourself....is al haymon pretty good at what he does? did he not make wilder the 4th highest paid guy in combat sports last year? the little known wilder? as he not gotten tons of fighters paid fairly well over the years? has he not been involved in some of the biggest fights the sport has ever seen?
so at the end of the day...if charlo trusts haymon...and haymon says "listen you going over there to fight would suck for my brand....and its a risky fight...potential stinker....I will get you the money youre missing out on...ill increase your money each fight in increments...and ill get you good fights....and eventually ill land you a big one"......would charlo be stupid to trust him?You’ve got to remember that you’re talking to a bunch of children and I don’t mean in reference to age. These people have child like mentalities and they’re also racist. They understand the business aspect when it comes to fighters/promoters who look like them or look how they wished they look.
Now you reaching....#1 cuz ive responded to most of the people who disagreed. And ive been very consistent with my point.
Then u say i ignored that part, but i clearly brought it up. I just felt like that wasn't my point.
You the one who start insulting me just cuz i made a thread about women.
For the 100th time i didn't ask about liking it.... All im saying is why can't it be respected just like amateur boxing, junior Olympics, etc. 90% of prolly don't follow it but most respect them as fighters and they wear headgear and get standing 8 counts. So why not women's boxing?
We can agree to disagree without insulting ManeI don’t respect whiners and that’s what you’re doing, whining. Women boxing doesn’t get as much respect as men’s boxing because it’s subpar in comparison. You want to push this “fighter are fighters” ideology but obviously that’s not true because fighters are separated by sex and women fighters aren’t as good.
It sounds like Andrade has Hearn's blessing to go to Showtime then come back to DAZN. So the decision is already made.
Why don't you want a black man to get the opportunity to unify two belts? He's already offering $7 million to do it, or he's willing to go across the street if he has to...how many more hoops does he have to jump through?It “sounds like” you’re being willfully obtuse and are basically trolling.
imagine erroll spence, with no brook, mikey and porter on his resume(andrade doesnt have a single guy that good), was trying to offer jesse vargas 7 mil to come fight him on fox when spence has pac, thurman, danny etc sitting right there but wont fight any of them...
imagine what these clowns would say...and how that would look? yet they turn and point the finger the other way in this situation...its comical
Exactly. People pick and choose when to act fake self righteous about the sport. Only when it comes to people that they want to discredit. Could’ve been had the charlo fight, but I’m supposed to go for this new boogeyman gimmick?
lol i hate clowns like you. own your racism man. "we from the hood" you know what you're referring to. but when you get called out "im not rayciss you are". fckn weasel lol.
It’s a troll game that they’re allowed to get away with. I say just beat them at their own game. Use the same dog whistles against them and their s**t cultures. Seriously, just think about where these people come from and throw it right back in their faces.
If u don't like it cool. But whats this popular thing about dissing them like they don't deserve respect putting their lives on line etc. They take the same risks as the men, put in the same work as men. As some have more heart then the men.
As a fan of boxing, as a guy who has been in the gym with female fighters, i hate how much they are dissed. I don't get it.
Why are you making it a gender or woman thing when the male boxers get dissed here? The male boxers get talked about with no respect here. People play stan wars with the male boxers and troll about any and everything. Nothing’s off limits for trolls so why are you whining on women’s behalf as if they’re the only ones being dissed by trolls?
To be honest about why I don’t watch it like women’s boxing, I don’t think it’s good. It’s subpar. They don’t have the skill, speed, or power of the men so it’s not as pleasing to watch.
Floyd wanted low risk, easy fights he wanted slow, flat footed, short armed guys that he could keep at a distance and potshot all night and get a decision on the scorecards.
If Khan can't do nothing else he could outbox a boxer and Floyd knew that. Floyd would have everything to lose losing to Khan. The Floyd Boys love to talk about how many guys Floyd called out that ducked him, well this is a guy that called Floyd out to the point of stalking him, and they make up every excuse possible.
So, in the risk vs reward factor Khan was too high of a risk.Lol another loser who was forever scarred by Mayweather’s excellence. The man has been retired for years yet every single solitary you losers come here with hopes to discredit him and his career. You idiots really do believe the dumb s**t that you type too. It’s beautiful. Lol at the edit. Had to get this bulls**t that means nothing to anybody but you, just tight huh? I love it.
Yea thats all i meant. I Fcked up my point with my first post when i made the thread.Ive made the same point about all fighters. When I first joined here I was blown away at the lack of respect for the fighters. I’ve always had respect for fighters, even the ones I didn’t root for. Till this day, I doubt that I’ve ever posted anything personally disrespectful about a fighter.
Took me awhile to adjust to the differences between life online vs offline. Many people surf the web to disconnect from reality. A lot of people get off on talking s**t about others because it makes them feel better.
OMG.....just forget it... I get what u mean but you don't get my point when i say they all take risks.
Fighting trained fighters is a risk, if its 2mins or 3mins. If its headgear or no headgear. They all risks dying or their health. Kids have died in the amateurs, but cuz they fight different rounds, and wear headgear they shouldnt be respected for getting in that ring?? Thats my point.
Obviously men and women are different. So are men and teenagers.
Like i said to someone else maybe i should have made that more clear in my first post.
Im explaining myself cuz i feel like you don't get my point not whining fool. Lets just agree to disagree.What I don’t get is why you’ve tried to make the lack of respect you see for fighters a woman thing. You started this thread complaining about seeing people dis women fighters as if they don’t deserve respect just for getting in the ring, but my question is why are you framing that as some gender thing when male fighters are treated the same way? Posters here talk about male fighters with a lack of respect for getting in the ring and risking their lives, etc. Floyd is called scared, a runner, and accused of not taking risks during his career on this site every single day. So clearly the trolling and overall disconnect from reality that you see from so-called boxing fans online is not just reserved for female fighters. That’s my point. There’s nothing to agree to disagree with because your complaint just isn’t valid. It’s not a woman thing, it’s a troll thing.
The trolls aside tho, women boxing doesn’t get the same respect as men because they’re just not as good. They don’t deserve the same respect. Do you want to focus on the trolls who have the nerve to personally disrespect fighters while they sit on their phone or behind a computer screen, or do you want to talk about the actual quality of female boxing?
Im not pushing anything, my opinion is all fighters kids, teens, men or women take the same risks.
When i speak of disrespect i don't mean dissing certain fighters etc. Example dissing Shields. Most of it is about her personally
I meant dissing the sport of women's boxing like its flag football.
Thats why i keep saying yall missing my point.
Dissing the sport of women boxing aint the same as dissing women fighters personally.
Im not or ever get defensive on here its just discussion.
Don't see why you have to imply im acting like a btch Lmao just cuz of my opinion or imply im pushing feminism just cuz i asked this question about their side of boxing.
My opinions differ from topic to topic, so its not point in implying how i feel about somthing other than the topic i brought up.
Now i get where u coming from, i just feel like its not what i meant.
The reason that I doubt the you started this thread for a real discussion is because you’ve ignored the posts of people explaining why they have a lack of appreciation for women’s boxing. Even in the post you quoted from me I explained why I don’t like women’s boxing and you just ignored that part of my post to whine about me supposedly not getting your point. That’s passive aggressive man. I did get your point I just don’t agree with you.
To be honest about why I don’t watch women’s boxing, I don’t think it’s good. It’s subpar. They don’t have the skill, speed, or power of the men so it’s not as pleasing to watch.
It’s really that simple man. I don’t really care how hard the women work and saying they have more heart than men is just gaslighting. All humans deserve basic respect but women’s boxing is just a subpar inferior level of boxing compared to men’s boxing.
Don’t stress you beat them and I’ll get them to realize your just a broke ass woman beater. Once they see what a REAL man is they’ll never go back to p@ssy woman beaters like you again.
IMO woman beaters should be labeled like rapists and pedophiles. Should have to let the community know your a no good woman beater. And have aps saying where u all live
Speaking of woman beaters, Mexican women out here marching in the streets in protest to the men there beating on them. According to this article is not even just a Mexican problem, it’s a problem all over Latin America. Apparently a lot of men throughout Latin America are insecure in their manhood and have this whole culture of “machismo” where they basically sanction the abuse of women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/12/26/world/americas/mexico-women-domestic-violence-femicide.amp.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-horrible-culture-of-machismo-woman-struggle-with-violence-in-mexico-11556978401
I mean if we’re going to use this tank story as an excuse to bash entire cultures and accuse certain people of condoning violence against women, then lest get real about which cultures condone violence against women.
Its my opinion and i chose to make a thread about it. Again its not about like or dislike. Its about respecting them as fighters. How many times do i have to say the same thing.
Yall get defensive and miss my pointYou don’t have a valid point which is what I explained. This is a site where Floyd Mayweather is constantly discredited and disrespected. Other male fighters are constantly disrespected and discredited too. So why are you trying to make the disrespect for women fighters a gender thing? I’m asking you to explain why you think the disrespect for fighters here is a just a woman thing when the male fighters get disrespected all the time? In all of your posts, you’ve yet to explain why you’re pushing this feminism bs. You’re the one getting defensive because people are challenging what you decided to say.......ironically just like a woman.
According to Floyd fans logic. If you dont consider Floyd the greatest of his era you are hating Floyd and sucking off Manny. :rofl:
Well, you are :dunno:
What does DAZN have to do with it, though? Andrade is willing to fight Charlo on Showtime.
Andrade said that but he’s not the one who would ultimately make that decision. Andrade is signed to dazn and this whole “I’m the boogeyman, they scared of me” is the gimmick now.
Why aren’t you wondering why dazn is so much more flexible and willing to make fights with Andrade vs charlo, rather than Andrade vs ggg or canelo since those fights are pretty much in-house and much easier to make?
Andrade is black.
Why are you supporting him getting ducked, despite him offering $7 million? And despite him being willing to make the fight on Al Haymon's networks if necessary?
Who said that I supported him being ducked? I simply don’t really care. He chose to sign with dazn. He has to live with that decision. Boxing has been a corrupt sport where politics are above competition. People kill me acting brand new arbitrarily.
Dog whistle??? Is that where you beat your women up while screaming THUG LIFE???
Why you got to beat a woman??? To insecure, not get enough food stamps, your Free Obama phone ran out of minutes, being from the hood where work boots and jobs are a sin...Hey, teach that witch you call “mommy” to watch her mouth and maybe she won’t get beat:dunno:
Daneutral never says anything about “blacks,” stop it. Just because you like protecting the radicals of the LDBC ghetto hood doesn’t mean you should cry and raise race cards. That’s just weak and unoriginal.I know that since you’ve been probably selling oranges on the freeway or cutting grass for a living since you were 12, you probably didn’t graduate and don’t know what “dog whistle” means. Go get someone who actually finished 5th grade to explain that phrase to you.
DaNeutral is Anti - American not Anti Black.
Funny you talk about dog whistles. You're blowing the shet outta yours with the whole " selling oranges on the freeway / grass cutting " B.S.
Seems like you're trying to play victim yet you're own prejudice is quite apparent.
I don’t complain I just beat people at their own games. Unless you’ve got posts calling out the anti black dog whistles then you can kindly shut the f**k up about anything that I post.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. Sit down kid, its very nice to see some young buck emerging ready to defend African American culture but not everybody is about colour my little wannabe hero.I don’t have to defend African American culture to some dirty professional grass cutter or some 4’10 clown who drinks bat soup lol. I was just making an observation.
I wasn't clear about my point in my opening post.
I don't watch female boxing cuz of that lack of skill etc. Which yall keep bringing up.
I made this thread cuz im around and trained with females and they go through the same struggles the men do. I've never seen or heard any male fighter or anyone at the gym not show the women respect. If anything their respected even more. Same way I/We feel about kids or seniors getting into the ring.
Same way i feel about the youtube guys. Of course the skill level is terrible. But they deserve respect for getting into that ring in front of everyone, taking their time out to train for months.
Thats my point. Anything else is another topic, which my opinion mite differ completely
Ok cool. While a not a female boxing fan I do respect women and men who dedicate themselves to something constructive. All fighters deserve respect for being fighters.
See you reaching again. Fighters are fighters is based solely on everyone take the same risks, do the same training, make the same sacrifices.
Amatuer boxing, junior olympics, senior division, women boxing they all are fighters. Skill level differ from each.
You the one, and only person to get defensive enough to start throwing insults. The fact that u took what i said then implied feminism lets me know what type of dude u are.
See how stupid it would be for me to imply that? So why would u do the same.... It aint that serious.
If it’s not that serious then you wouldn’t have made this thread. Clearly you think that this is serious enough to bring up for discussion now you want to whine because I’m challenging you.
You’re also lying which exposes the type of person that you are. Women fighters aren’t taking the same risks/sacrifices as the men. Fighting a woman isn’t anywhere near as dangerous as fighting a man. A woman fighter like Shields would be in much more danger and making a much bigger sacrifice in the ring fighting men than she is fighting other women. This is common sense. This is why the sport is segregated by sex. The women don’t even fight under the same rules. No woman’s fight goes longer than 10 rounds and they’re only fighting 2minute rounds, not 3 min rounds like the men. Those are huge differences.
You have no point, you’re just whining.
Your the biggest racist on here, you bring up race in almost every single thread.
This is how a lot of you idiots really think though. Black people discussing race is racism to you clowns lol. The same cowards will accuse blacks of “playing the race card”.
How about you learn the difference between the words “your” and “you’re” dumbf**k. Leave the discussion on complex issues to folk with an IQ higher than their age.
So posters on here bashed Tank for roughing up a girl in public and you chose to make it about Latino men ?
Like one of my favorite artist said...
" Why you gotta act so insecurrr " ?
I also noticed you were ok with me calling you out your name B*tch.Posters did more than just bash Tank you illiterate Doritos smelling piece of s**t.
I couldn’t care less about your name calling because I know you wouldn’t have the heart to look up at me in the eye offline, let alone be disrespectful. You know it too.