Is there a genetic difference between black and white boxers?

Haha I’ve seen it. And we’ve seen it, with Ruiz and Joshua. Lol Yep, true..

Yes, scientifically proven that races from Africa have more cells per muscle than other races

I know in sprinting there is some truth to racial differences eg research has shown a small percentage of Afro Caribbeans tend to have an advantage albeit slight due to genetic differences. Likewise scientific studies have show certain groups of black people have higher bone density etc linked to their white counterparts. Then there is the environmental debate as to why black people tend to have a high proportion of participants in certain sports eg as a way out of poverty.Hence boxing was a way out for lot of black people similar to other sports although things are changing. Personally environment may have a big part to play in it though there maybe other factors as well eg environmental eg think of the nature (genes)/nurture (environment)debate with regards to why we have the personality we do.I think the same theory can be used in this debate as well.Hence whether we like it or not environment does shape us physically. Look at humans and animals for one and how they they adapt to their environment. Hence black peoples skin is dark as a way of protecting them against the sun .Likewise Chinese/Eskimo people have evolved slitty eyes to protect them against the sun. Be interested to hear other views especially those who have been in the boxing game ? Yep, the black guys pack more heat.

America take sports so serious in their schools you're saying it's not a possibility that coaches are giving some of them something? So many American kids are ridiculously big, sorry but it's just not natural when compared with the rest of the world. To add to this, I think you can look into the different parts of the country these strong and fast athletes come from. I live in the Midwest, Iowa, where we have corn fed Cows. Produce big strong American football linemen and linebackers but very few near the speed of say California or Florida. These areas do not have vast cornfields and pastures for cattle to graze. They pump their beef full of Hormones to get them to grow faster and bigger as oppose to the Midwest natural approach. They have faster athletes but also higher populations. I do believe some of that could be passed through the livestock but IDK. My uncle from California loves steaks and grilling and when he comes to Iowa he loads up on steak because the flavor is so much more natural. This got way off topic but I do think young adults in the U.S. are exposed to steroids, I just think some areas of the country are at a higher rate and not always on purpose.

Most people on this forum don't understand boxing. They've never been to a gym where they've seen a fat, un-athletic white guy beat the brakes off of an incredibly in shape, extremely athletic black guy... AND vise-versa. It's the will, not the skill. Unless the will is never tested. Haha I’ve seen it. And we’ve seen it, with Ruiz and Joshua. Lol

Just read the following below.Hence just shows you cant trust no person.I only got my facts about possible slave strength biases due to other so called experts .Earlier posts now amended. "Selective breeding between slaves with the aim of developing particular physical traits was uncommon, however, as most slaves were unrestricted in their choice of sexual partners." Learnt my lesson: "dont trust noone bar God".

I notice the hardest hitters are always black. Wilder, Ernie shavers, foreman, tyson etc

Race isn’t based on genetics though. Race is just a social construct. For instance, there’s more genetic diversity amongst Africans than any other group. Race is based on skin complexion and other superficial phenotypical traits.True and well said.

I know in sprinting there is some truth to racial differences eg research has shown a small percentage of Afro Caribbeans tend to have an advantage albeit slight due to genetic differences. Michael Johnson also done a program on this prior to the London 2012 Olympics and the programme showed there was a mixture of genetic, environmental and even historical factors as to why Jamaicans tend to well in sprinting eg the slave trade produced a stronger concentration of healthier people eg linked to survival of the fittest. Likewise scientific studies have show certain groups of black people have higher bone density etc linked to their white counterparts. Then there is the environmental debate as to why black people tend to have a high proportion of participants in certain sports eg as a way out of poverty.Hence boxing was a way out for lot of black people similar to other sports although things are changing. Personally environment may have a big part to play in it though there maybe other factors as well eg environmental eg think of the nature (genes)/nurture (environment)debate with regards to why we have the personality we do.I think the same theory can be used in this debate as well.Hence whether we like it or not environment does shape us physically. Look at humans and animals for one and how they they adapt to their environment. Hence black peoples skin is dark as a way of protecting them against the sun .Likewise Chinese/Eskimo people have evolved slitty eyes to protect them against the sun. Be interested to hear other views especially those who have been in the boxing game ?Race isn’t based on genetics though. Race is just a social construct. For instance, there’s more genetic diversity amongst Africans than any other group. Race is based on skin complexion and other superficial phenotypical traits.

Scientifically any boxer can be knocked outVery true 😉

Most people on this forum don't understand boxing. They've never been to a gym where they've seen a fat, un-athletic white guy beat the brakes off of an incredibly in shape, extremely athletic black guy... AND vise-versa. It's the will, not the skill. Unless the will is never tested. I agree.The will of man is key but if you have it all you have a world beater.Hence look at Floyd Mayweather for one.Dedicated and talented which created a megastar.

Africans were created with superior physical attributes, due to their natural environment. They were hunter-gatherers. They had to be strong and agile in order to exist on the continent with the largest concentration of animals on earth. Europeans were superior in developing weapons, which is why they were able to conquer third-world countries. You contradicted yourself in saying that the slave trade strengthened Africans "survival of the fittest" yet saying it had a "very negligible" affect on strength.I think you missed my point.All humans descended from Africa and whilst there would of been some genetic variation in the 15th century due to humans moving out of Africa the real skewness wouldnt of been that apparent up until the slave trade.Hence genetic differences may of been due to the need to survive and adaptions as a result .In comparison to the slave trade men manipulated other men for the need for profit and wrong assumptions that black people were inferior. Iam no expert though on biological differences but know from studying you need to look at the whole picture to get a clearer picture as to why things are the way they are.

The research I'm aware of indicates that, on average, people of mostly African descent tend to have a higher proportion of type 2 muscle fibers than people of other ancestries. Practically speaking, having more type 2 fibers means you have a higher "peak power" you can deliver. For instance, the vertical jump test is a reasonable measure of this - how hard can you suddenly flex your leg muscles. The trade-off is that if you have more type 2 then you have less type 1, which means your muscular endurance isn't as good as someone else. Hunting gazelles and escaping lions, hyenas and cheetahs favored the swift. Hunting wooly mammoths through drifts of snow probably favored those with endurance and strength it's a working theory anyway :D.

Most people on this forum don't understand boxing. They've never been to a gym where they've seen a fat, un-athletic white guy beat the brakes off of an incredibly in shape, extremely athletic black guy... AND vise-versa. It's the will, not the skill. Unless the will is never tested.

And what makes you think black people has superior work ethic that give them success? I don't think anyone as a whole as a superior work ethic, just because of their ethnicity 'I was just using those athletes as a example, when taking into consideration variables such as mindset and work ethic ' They are both pioneers, in some sort of way they where different. But as I have stated at he beginning of the thread? these sort of topics, are continually brought up too discredit black athletes 'Whenever they have success in a area, it is just down to genetics' A lot of work goes into making a Olympic athlete or successful athlete in any sport 'And time and time again, we see these black/African pioneers in sport' The Slave trade lasted for 300-400 years 'And it did not involve the entirety of the African people'. Black people are the oldest form of humans on this planet, they are literally ground zero of the humanity 'And they have been around living/surviving, in the African terrain and possibly other places all over the world long before white people appeared'. White people did not create black people, and they are not solely responsible for their success within sports. And ultimately that is the bottom-line, if people want to continue with this discussion 'Go ahead'.

You need to read my post more carefully and get your facts straight and not use derogatory words to others. Shows you up. A very negligible part yes is due to the slave trade as to why there maybe some strength differences in certain African populations at the time of the slave trade but over time will be ironed out. You only have to read the works of Mendel to realise genetic specifics can be manipulated and skewed. Truth. God made people and some people preferred power and greed as opposed to decency hence you only have to look at the " scramble for Africa" as proof of this in the 18 th century where countries invaded Africa just for material gain. Africans were created with superior physical attributes, due to their natural environment. They were hunter-gatherers. They had to be strong and agile in order to exist on the continent with the largest concentration of animals on earth. Europeans were superior in developing weapons, which is why they were able to conquer third-world countries. You contradicted yourself in saying that the slave trade strengthened Africans "survival of the fittest" yet saying it had a "very negligible" affect on strength.

The research I'm aware of indicates that, on average, people of mostly African descent tend to have a higher proportion of type 2 muscle fibers than people of other ancestries. Practically speaking, having more type 2 fibers means you have a higher "peak power" you can deliver. For instance, the vertical jump test is a reasonable measure of this - how hard can you suddenly flex your leg muscles. The trade-off is that if you have more type 2 then you have less type 1, which means your muscular endurance isn't as good as someone else.

So, the slave trade is responsible for people of African decent having superior physical attributes, and not the way God made them? Well, thank you for that tidbit of valuable information, professor tool! :fing02: You need to read my post more carefully and get your facts straight and not use derogatory words to others. Shows you up. You only have to read the works of Mendel to realise genetic specifics can be manipulated and skewed. Truth.

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Genetics play a part, but what I am stating is? The slave trade is not the sole reason as to why there are great African athletes 'It is scientific racism, and is a way to continually Discredit black athletes'. If you look at sports as a whole African athletes have been the pioneers continually, in ways beyond just mere physical performance. Have you ever been to Africa? Have you seen the terrain? You are aware that African people have been on this earth for a much longer time than white people? The slave trade and white people are not responsible for the production of Great black athletes. The way you are speaking, it is as if white people created black people. It is a boring subject. And what makes you think black people has superior work ethic that give them success?